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B.See » 02 Sep 2022, 11:04 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Sep 2022, 11:04 pm

Don't try to put words in my mouth.

I'm saying that given the circumstances I've already described, that have since been revealed, and that are quite apparent in VIDEO EVIDENCE, the officer's actions were warranted. In fact I'd go so far as to say they showed great restraint. More than I believe they WOULD have had that been BLM (for example) breaching the Capitol and storming the halls looking to fkng HANG THE VICE PRESIDENT.

I know that, and so do you.

So, killing an unarmed woman is showing restraint!!! ... I would suggest that you are having a bad day posting and I will just let that go 

At the end of the day, when everyone went home ... No one was hanged

The thing about "intent" is you have to be in someone's head to actually know.  Should you put the accused on the stand and ask them "Did you intend to hang someone?" If they say "no, we were just fooling around" .. you just lost.  You can not prove "intent"
 

NEILCAR » 03 Sep 2022, 4:13 am » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2022, 4:13 am

So, killing an unarmed woman is showing restraint!!! ... I would suggest that you are having a bad day posting and I will just let that go 

At the end of the day, when everyone went home ... No one was hanged

The thing about "intent" is you have to be in someone's head to actually know.  Should you put the accused on the stand and ask them "Did you intend to hang someone?" If they say "no, we were just fooling around" .. you just lost.  You can not prove "intent"

Again you are attempting to twist my words and mischaracterize my points. And I don't appreciate it.

I've already pointed out, in several responses, that the FACTS and ACTIONS of the rioters that day, including breaching by force the Capitol, and roaming halls and corridors chanting to hang the Vice President,

as well as other actions WELL DOCUMENTED, were sufficient enough to have caused lawmakers and those whose duty it was to protect THEM, to fear for their lives - even prompting goodbye calls to loved ones. 

I've referenced what was occurring when the rabid mob was at the doors trying to BREAK THROUGH when one of their number was shot.

Frankly given all the above I think it commendable of the vastly outnumber Capitol officers that they HADN'T responded with MORE force. THAT'S the restraint I speak of, champ.

So maybe YOU'RE having a bad day since you seem to be unable (or perhaps UNWILLING) to get the point.

And, like I said, we BOTH know it would've been a completely different scenario had that been BLM instead of organized, right winged terrorists who Trump on national TV told to "stand back and stand by."

Not that they'd have been able to get anywhere NEAR the Capitol if the situation were REVERSED.


 
 

B.See » 03 Sep 2022, 5:16 am » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2022, 5:16 am

Again you are attempting to twist my words and mischaracterize my points. And I don't appreciate it.

I've already pointed out, in several responses, that the FACTS and ACTIONS of the rioters that day, including breaching by force the Capitol, and roaming halls and corridors chanting to hang the Vice President,

as well as other actions WELL DOCUMENTED, were sufficient enough to have caused lawmakers and those whose duty it was to protect THEM, to fear for their lives - even prompting goodbye calls to loved ones. 

I've referenced what was occurring when the rabid mob was at the doors trying to BREAK THROUGH when one of their number was shot.

Frankly given all the above I think it commendable of the vastly outnumber Capitol officers that they HADN'T responded with MORE force. THAT'S the restraint I speak of, champ.

So maybe YOU'RE having a bad day since you seem to be unable (or perhaps UNWILLING) to get the point.

And, like I said, we BOTH know it would've been a completely different scenario had that been BLM instead of organized, right winged terrorists who Trump on national TV told to "stand back and stand by."

Not that they'd have been able to get anywhere NEAR the Capitol if the situation were REVERSED.

I am not the one trying to justify killing a unarmed woman... 

GASSING PEOPLE???? C'MON!
Even Hitler didn't approve of that!
But his buddy Musolinni sure did it!      
 

NEILCAR » 03 Sep 2022, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2022, 8:57 am

I am not the one trying to justify killing a unarmed woman...

The unarmed woman was among a packed rabid crowd of rioters who'd just built gallows, beat Capitol police, scaled walls, busted through doors and windows of the nation's Capitol and was in the process of trying to bust down closed doors while storming through hallways looking to hang the Vice President. 

NONE of which YOU think should've caused law enforcement on the other side of those doors to FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES, apparently. 

But a lone unarmed Black man running AWAY after a traffic stop for a broken tail-light, sure, let's shoot THAT mfkr.
 

B.See » 04 Sep 2022, 5:24 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2022, 5:24 am

The unarmed woman was among a packed rabid crowd of rioters who'd just built gallows, beat Capitol police, scaled walls, busted through doors and windows of the nation's Capitol and was in the process of trying to bust down closed doors while storming through hallways looking to hang the Vice President. 

NONE of which YOU think should've caused law enforcement on the other side of those doors to FEAR FOR THEIR LIVES, apparently. 

But a lone unarmed Black man running AWAY after a traffic stop for a broken tail-light, sure, let's shoot THAT mfkr.

I am on record as wanting the demonstrators to be fully prosecuted fully (destruction of public property, illegal demonstration, trespassing, but not insurrection). 
No one was hanged.
An unarmed woman was shot dead. 
It is true that the dem party was for defunding the police. 
I have never stated I was for police who kill people for no reason. (Black or otherwise).

I would suggest it is you who are putting words in my mouth. 


 

NEILCAR » 04 Sep 2022, 8:56 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2022, 8:56 am

I am on record as wanting the demonstrators to be fully prosecuted fully (destruction of public property, illegal demonstration, trespassing, but not insurrection). 
No one was hanged.
An unarmed woman was shot dead. 
It is true that the dem party was for defunding the police. 
I have never stated I was for police who kill people for no reason. (Black or otherwise).

I would suggest it is you who are putting words in my mouth.

No one was hanged because they couldn't find the man they wanted to hang. The sought him out, chanted Hang Mike Pence and did so with Trump's blessing.

An unarmed woman among a group of armed trespassers (yes it was confirmed some of them were armed, and Trump wanted metal detectors disabled) trying to break down doors and threatening the lives of those within was shot dead. NO CAPITOL COP WAS CHARGED FOR THEIR ACTIONS THAT DAY, including the shooter.

The entire dem party was never for defunding the police. That's an outright lie. And now TRUMP'S MAGA want to hunt down and KILL the FBI. As well as Biden, last I heard.

You have never CONDEMNED police who kill people for no reason either. I've MULTIPLE posts on the subject. Where is YOUR commentary?

I would suggest it is YOU who are trying to minimize what Trump and his INSURRECTIONISTS tried to do that day. They weren't just peaceful demonstrators. They showed up, for a WELL PLANNED ORGANIZED INSURRECTION - on THAT PARTICULAR DAY, on the basis of a fkng LIE, and for the purpose of stopping the LAWFUL CERTIFICATION OF THE PRESIDENT ELECT BY WILL OF THE PEOPLE.
 

THE CAPITOL INSURRECTIONISTS:

D.C. Officer Daniel Hodges testifies against Capitol rioter who 'crushed' him with shield

Capitol rioter admits to assaulting Officer Brian Sicknick, who died after Jan. 6

Oath Keepers attorney Kellye SoRelle arrested in Texas, charged with obstruction

10-year sentence given to Ex-NYPD cop for Jan. 6 attack with metal flagpole | Salon.com

MEANWHILE:

Oath Keepers’ Lawyer and Acting President Charged with Conspiring to Obstruct an Official Proceeding, Document Tampering and More

Jan. 6 committee member says they're looking into Trump paying legal fees of witnesses - Raw Story

B.See » 06 Sep 2022, 5:35 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2022, 5:35 am

No one was hanged because they couldn't find the man they wanted to hang. The sought him out, chanted Hang Mike Pence and did so with Trump's blessing.


I would suggest it is YOU who are trying to minimize what Trump and his INSURRECTIONISTS tried to do that day. They weren't just peaceful demonstrators. They showed up, for a WELL PLANNED ORGANIZED INSURRECTION - on THAT PARTICULAR DAY, on the basis of a fkng LIE, and for the purpose of stopping the LAWFUL CERTIFICATION OF THE PRESIDENT ELECT BY WILL OF THE PEOPLE.

The actual charge would be "seditious conspiracy" and is almost impossible to prove.  Which is the main reason hilary is walking around. lol 

The progressive left has been yelling defund the police to anyone who will listen.  Dem mayors across the Nation have been doing the same and actually doing the defunding.  Biden (on several occasions) have stood with the "defund the police" movement and stated that they are doing a great job.  Heck the Dem platform has written in its language targeting police for change.
,,,  Bernie Saunders, Kamala, AOC, Kristene Gillibrand, Maxine Waters, Mazine Hiro, Barbara Lee ... the list goes on and on of dem supporting "defund the police".
No, we are looking at a dem party running away from an issue as fast as they can lol ... 
 

NEILCAR » 06 Sep 2022, 7:44 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2022, 7:44 am

The actual charge would be "seditious conspiracy" and is almost impossible to prove.  Which is the main reason hilary is walking around. lol 

The progressive left has been yelling defund the police to anyone who will listen.  Dem mayors across the Nation have been doing the same and actually doing the defunding.  Biden (on several occasions) have stood with the "defund the police" movement and stated that they are doing a great job.  Heck the Dem platform has written in its language targeting police for change.
,,,  Bernie Saunders, Kamala, AOC, Kristene Gillibrand, Maxine Waters, Mazine Hiro, Barbara Lee ... the list goes on and on of dem supporting "defund the police".
No, we are looking at a dem party running away from an issue as fast as they can lol ...

The left isn't entirely comprised of progressives. And it wasn't Democrats beating Capitol police on January 6 nor is it Democrats who are threatening law enforcement and advocating removals, executions, and hangings of the FBI.

Funny how "blue lives" no longer matter when FASCISTS can't have it THEIR WAY.

FBI Facing ‘Unprecedented’ MAGA Threats After Trump Mar-a-Lago Raid
 

B.See » 06 Sep 2022, 7:57 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2022, 7:57 am

The left isn't entirely comprised of progressives. And it wasn't Democrats beating Capitol police on January 6 nor is it Democrats who are threatening law enforcement and advocating removals, executions, and hangings of the FBI.

Funny how "blue lives" no longer matter when FASCISTS can't have it THEIR WAY.

FBI Facing ‘Unprecedented’ MAGA Threats After Trump Mar-a-Lago Raid

well, the enrire dem party is running away from defund the police faster than a turkey on Thanksgiving. lol Kind of odd for a party you allege supported the police all of the time and never defunded it at all ... lol 
... One might suggest you are re-writing history.

I can't speak the entire GOP, but most of us have always stood for law and order, that issue has never been in doubt.


 

NEILCAR » 06 Sep 2022, 10:07 am » wrote: ↑

06 Sep 2022, 10:07 am

well, the enrire dem party is running away from defund the police faster than a turkey on Thanksgiving. lol Kind of odd for a party you allege supported the police all of the time and never defunded it at all ... lol 
... One might suggest you are re-writing history.

I can't speak the entire GOP, but most of us have always stood for law and order, that issue has never been in doubt.

Again you resort to a disingenuous attempt to twist and distort what I've said. I SAID NOT EVERY DEMOCRAT SUPPORTED THE NOTION OF DEFUNDING THE POLICE.  That's not a "rewrite" champ. That's a FACT.

Certainly I'VE never supported the notion. And contrary to the typical reich winged propaganda that YOU seem to have fallen victim to:

Democrats, at least at the federal level, have been the ones funding the police.

Even the Squad Is More Pro Police Than These Repubicans - The Washington Post


So, you "can't speak for the entire GOP" but you presume to speak for all of US??  What a SURPRISE.

THE CAPITOL INSURRECTIONISTS:

New Mexico Official Ousted For Participating In Jan. 6 Insurrection | HuffPost Latest News

First time since 1869 a court has disqualified an insurrectionist.

AND:

Fact Check: Were There Armed Protesters at the Capitol on January 6?

THE CAPITOL INSURRECTIONISTS:

Police Officer Tasered And Beaten On Jan. 6 Goes Off On Cops Who Posed With Trump | HuffPost Latest News

Capitol rioter accused of using chemical spray cites Biden speech in bid to move his trial to east Texas

Heavily armed Navy reservist charged in Jan. 6 riot faces new felony charges

Ex-Trump Aide Stephen Miller Subpoenaed In DOJ's Jan. 6 Probe: Report

Proud Boys Who Wrote 'Murder The Media' On Capitol During Jan. 6 Riot Plead Guilty

DEPT. OF SEDITIONIST  MFKRS:


 
Texas GOP Rep Louie Gohmert Honors So-called 'Hero' Rioter With U.S. Flag Once Flown Over the Capitol Building She Stormed on Jan. 6

THE J6 COMMITTEE:

Senate to investigate alleged Trump meddling in federal prosecutor’s office

Jan. 6 panel's subpoena yields "thousands" of Secret Service records

Here’s why Ginni Thomas is facing new scrutiny from Jan. 6 select committee

J6 select committee struggling with flood of tips still coming in: report

THE CAPITOL INSURRECTIONISTS:

‘You’re gonna die tonight’: Trump fan admits dragging cop down Capitol steps

Capitol Rioter who plead guilty earlier this year for beating a D.C. police officer and bringing his son along for the ride now pleading for leniency

Oath Keepers leader follows Trump's lead demands own 'special master' for his case

MAGA rioter who committed bloody attacks on police and told one "you're gonna die tonight "takes plea deal calling for up to 8 years

Man who pinned D.C. police officer in door frame during Jan. 6 riot convicted of 7 felonies

Man Seen Crushing Officer With Shield During Capitol Siege Convicted Of 7 Felonies

 
 

continued from above THE J6 COMMITTEE releases documented proof of the WELL PLANNED AND ORGANIZED PLOT TO OVERTHROW DEMOCRACY ON JANUARY 6:

The Committee releases recordings of comms. between the insurrectionists on January 6

Jan. 6 Committee Obtains Shocking Audio of Oath Keepers Responding to Trump Tweets in Real Time

'We are not joking around': January 6th Committee posts Oath Keepers’ walkie-talkie insurrection audio - Alternet.org

THE CAPITOL INSURRECTIONISTS:

Oath Keepers want to suppress evidence of Zello chat host ordering arrests of 'treasonous' congressmembers

Capitol Rioter Who Wore A ‘Camp Auschwitz’ Hoodie Sentenced To 75 Days In Prison | HuffPost Latest News

Capitol rioter who dressed as Jack Skellington on Jan. 6 will be donning prison garb for up to 8 years

THE CAPITOL INSURRECTIONISTS:

Double trouble: Capitol rioters charged with new crimes after Jan. 6 attack 

Jan 6 Audio: Oath Keeper Happy With Idea of Hurting Congress Members

Daughter of jailed Capitol rioter says Trump ‘deserves life in prison’

MAGA rioter busted for recruiting extremists behind bars - Raw Story

Jan. 6 committee ‘won’t be quiet’ in weeks ahead of midterm elections - Raw Story

Insurrectionist AFO#338 Is Arrested And Charged With Assaulting And Impeding Capitol Police Officers

‘Mean Girls, But with Racist, Antisemitic Extremists’: Hitler-Posing Ex-Army Reservist Convicted for Jan. 6 Is Organizing Behind Bars, Feds Say

THE CAPITOL INSURRECTIONISTS (WHO AND WHAT THEY ARE):
..
Ex-Army Reservist Who Posed Like Hitler and Spewed Antisemitic Vitriol Loses Bid to Topple His Jan. 6-Related Convictions

MEANWHILE:

Jan. 6 committee ‘won’t be quiet’ in weeks ahead of midterm elections

Jan. 6 Panel Unveils Election Guardrails To Prevent Future MAGA Election Steal
 
 

J6 COMMITTEE:

J6 committee wins — will get phone records of Arizona GOP boss who was a fake elector: report

Twitter Whistleblower Who Spoke With Jan. 6 Panel Steps Forward: WaPo

Identity of ex-Twitter employee who testified to Jan. 6 probe about online threats revealed

THE CAPITOL INSURRECTIONISTS:

"Siding with insurrectionists," 203 House Republicans vote no on coup prevention bill | Salon.com

Five America First ‘Groypers’ arrested on J6 charges: report

Capitol rioter dressed as Hitler sentenced to 4 years in prison after begging judge for forgiveness  Four years? I expected at least NEIN (see what I did there?)

Capitol rioter who fought police and later pulled shotgun on his probation officer pleads guilty

MAGA and the "incels": Latest Jan. 6 arrests show how fascists target insecure young men

Judge orders GPS monitoring for ‘pink hat lady’ accused of violence during Capitol riot 

 
 

COLOUR ME SURPRISED.... NOT

BOMBSHELL: 60 Minutes Reporting White House Switchboard Connected Call to Rioter on January 6th.

Federal judge says court can't block House January 6 subpoena for GOP state chair - CNNPolitics

Jan. 6 Committee Adviser Says Someone in WH Phoned a Rioter During the Capitol Attack

MEANWHILE, THE CAPITOL INSURRECTIONISTS:

Judges are running out of patience for unrepentant MAGA rioters - Raw Story

Jury convicts QAnon believer who thought he was storming the White House during the Capitol riot

Capitol rioter demands prosecutors be banned from calling him a rioter during trial - Raw Story

Former firefighter who injured cops pleads guilty to felony for Jan. 6 Capitol riot - Raw Story