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Blackvegetable » 17 Jun 2022, 9:05 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022, 9:05 am

For what "civilian" purpose can an Assault Rifle be used?

Can you define an "assault rifle"??  It's true definition is a SELECT-FIRE rifle firing an intermediate powered cartridge.

But, since people insist on using incorrect terminology, I'll answer with:

Personal defense and security.  The AR-15 is, without a doubt, one of the most ergonomic, adaptable, and effective personal weapons ever invented by man.

razoo » 16 Jun 2022, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jun 2022, 10:19 am

Bullet was invented in 1847. Second Amendment is from 1789. Thus the second amendment only applies to Muskets.

Come take my AK ya traitor bastard.

Blackvegetable » 17 Jun 2022, 9:19 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022, 9:19 am

Hunting what?

It isn't designed to be accurate.

The ammo is designed to render flesh inedible.

Why don't you **** deviants get real for a minute...

Hunting: the AR is infinitely configurable in different calibers and configurations, from defense to hunting.  A 6.8 SPC chambered AR is an excellent tool for whitetail or muledeer.

Not accurate?  Most will shoot MOA or better.

Ammo selection for the task at hand is important.  There isn't just one round for the AR; you can tailor what you need through ammo selection.

Talk about someone who needs to "get real"!

Blackvegetable » 17 Jun 2022, 9:40 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022, 9:40 am

It isn't effective for "home defense"

It is SPECIFICALLY developed to compensate for human inability.

It is NOT designed for accuracy.

It has NO civilian "purpose".

It is available exclusively because arms manufacturers want more unit sales.

Obviously, you know nothing about what you're talking about.

Again, perfect for home defense.  Easier to shoot a long gun than a handgun under stress, and properly loaded is less likely to go through an exterior wall of a house than a handgun round.  Exceptionally accurate weapon; I've engaged targets at 500 meters with it, and at household ranges its precision is astonishing.

Self-defense IS a civilian purpose, regardless of what an uneducated individual like you might think.
 

Blackvegetable » 18 Jun 2022, 8:31 am » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 8:31 am

They stopped that **** at my school in the early 70s..

They were getting tired of kids shooting themselves.

You went to a school of idiots.

No kid ever injured themselves at my school, and they were still bringing guns to school up to the early '80's.  Kids where I grew up actually knew how to safely coexist with guns and how to use them.

razoo » 17 Jun 2022, 11:47 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jun 2022, 11:47 am

How can gun nuts pretend that any gun much less AR15's or or other assault weapons are authorized by the constitution? It seems in reality no guns are attached with a constitutional privilege to carry anywhere.

As always the matter has been misconstrued by the gun lobbies as the right wing worshippers blindly adopt not knowing any better.

Neither does it authorize mercenaries as a militia........

Now it begs the question how many ways is the constitution misconstrued? Politicians are experts at such activity and too often are not questioned.

Riddle me this, Batman:

How can a "right of the people" somehow NOT be a "right of the people"??  Why did Jefferson say it was "every American's right and duty to be at all times armed"?  The right of self-defense is considered one of the most fundamental rights of humanity.

How can you NOT understand that??

Spartan » 18 Jun 2022, 5:52 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 5:52 pm

You went to a school of idiots.

No kid ever injured themselves at my school, and they were still bringing guns to school up to the early '80's.  Kids where I grew up actually knew how to safely coexist with guns and how to use them.

I went to a prep school.

Spartan » 18 Jun 2022, 5:51 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 5:51 pm

Obviously, you know nothing about what you're talking about.

Again, perfect for home defense.  Easier to shoot a long gun than a handgun under stress, and properly loaded is less likely to go through an exterior wall of a house than a handgun round.  Exceptionally accurate weapon; I've engaged targets at 500 meters with it, and at household ranges its precision is astonishing.

Self-defense IS a civilian purpose, regardless of what an uneducated individual like you might think.

**** off with this tripe.

I've heard it already.

Spartan » 18 Jun 2022, 5:47 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 5:47 pm

Hunting: the AR is infinitely configurable in different calibers and configurations, from defense to hunting.  A 6.8 SPC chambered AR is an excellent tool for whitetail or muledeer.

Not accurate?  Most will shoot MOA or better.

Ammo selection for the task at hand is important.  There isn't just one round for the AR; you can tailor what you need through ammo selection.

Talk about someone who needs to "get real"!

**** the Spartan, bring me credible citations.
 

Spartan » 18 Jun 2022, 5:45 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 5:45 pm

Can you define an "assault rifle"?? It's true definition is a SELECT-FIRE rifle firing an intermediate powered cartridge.

But, since people insist on using incorrect terminology, I'll answer with:

Personal defense and security.  The AR-15 is, without a doubt, one of the most ergonomic, adaptable, and effective personal weapons ever invented by man.

Read the citations.

Come back and prattle.
 

Blackvegetable » 18 Jun 2022, 6:01 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 6:01 pm

**** off with this tripe.

I've heard it already.

**** the Spartan, bring me credible citations.
 

Credible citations??  Dude, if you knew ANYTHING about firearms you'd know what an idiot you sound like.

I've got thirty years of experience as a firearms instructor and law enforcement officer.  I've forgotten more about guns than you're ever going to know.  Your ignorance is offensive, and you're a **** prick who doesn't know his own asshole from a hole in the ground.  If you gun banners had a legitimate argument to make you wouldn't have to lie or resort to incessant false hyperbole to push it.

Go **** yourself with a chainsaw.

Spartan » 18 Jun 2022, 6:08 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 6:08 pm

Credible citations??  Dude, if you knew ANYTHING about firearms you'd know what an idiot you sound like.

I've got thirty years of experience as a firearms instructor and law enforcement officer.  I've forgotten more about guns than you're ever going to know.  Your ignorance is offensive, and you're a **** prick who doesn't know his own asshole from a hole in the ground.  If you gun banners had a legitimate argument to make you wouldn't have to lie or resort to incessant false hyperbole to push it.

Go **** yourself with a chainsaw.

Just read the citations and spare me the tales of brave Ulysses 

Blackvegetable » 18 Jun 2022, 6:25 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 6:25 pm

Just read the citations and spare me the tales of brave Ulysses

**** off with your **** "citations", jackwipe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgvuW3OpfLk

FOS » 16 Jun 2022, 11:56 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jun 2022, 11:56 am

You are totally ignoring the essence of the issue. Totally ignoring it.

I actually do not care about you access to small arms lol.

The point of the 2nd amendment was based on the fact that a civilian was actually able to own weapons available to the military.

you cant do that anymore. You, sir, cannot buy a nuclear missile.

SHOULD you?

Thats the whole **** question. If you are really going to pretend that the 2nd has some sacred **** meaning to you...maybe you should address the fact that it is a dead letter. Cause it is. If you think your Ar15 is gonna make any **** difference in a civil war, you are delusional. 

address that fact. stop telling us about cannons.

When the Jet Jockeys return to base  after a day's worth of bombing their fellow US Citizens..they would  need to spend their entire lives confined to the Base.
Not only would they need to live out their lives on the Base to keep from getting killed by angry Civilians looking for revenge, but ALL their relatives and civilian friends would also become targets of the angry Civilian Populace.
Even if you send un-manned aircraft out to perform acts of treason against the Citizens...there is a HUMAN Chain of Command to hold accountable.
No way would our Founding Fathers want us to be unable to at least make the Tyrannical SPACE AGE / LASER / GPS/ **** GUIDED GOVERNMENT  PAY SOME PRICE for taking away our basic human rights.
 At least make them work for it.  
 

Spartan » 18 Jun 2022, 6:32 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 6:32 pm

**** off with your **** "citations", jackwipe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgvuW3OpfLk

No...I'm talking about citations...

Not some dude on youtube compensating for chronic ED.
 

Blackvegetable » 18 Jun 2022, 7:15 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 7:15 pm

No...I'm talking about citations...

Not some dude on youtube compensating for chronic ED.

Well, that "dude on youtube" is one of the most highly respected firearms instructors in the world, as well as one of the most prominent legal experts regarding self-defense law in the United States today.

Your ignorance is truly profound.
 

Spartan » 18 Jun 2022, 9:36 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 9:36 pm

Well, that "dude on youtube" is one of the most highly respected firearms instructors in the world, as well as one of the most prominent legal experts regarding self-defense law in the United States today.

Your ignorance is truly profound.

Does he have a different history to offer?


Or is it more likely that he is giving a sponsored rap?
 

FOS » 16 Jun 2022, 11:56 am » wrote: ↑

16 Jun 2022, 11:56 am

Thats the whole **** question. If you are really going to pretend that the 2nd has some sacred **** meaning to you...maybe you should address the fact that it is a dead letter. Cause it is. If you think your Ar15 is gonna make any **** difference in a civil war, you are delusional. 

address that fact. stop telling us about cannons.

I've read this whole thread, and I look at this comment and just shake my head.

Clearly, there are too many people who don't understand the term "asymmetrical warfare".  An armed populace, using asymmetrical warfare tactics, would bring a lot of harm down on even a modern military.  We've seen in Ukraine how an armed citizenry has been able to delay, disable, and destroy armor.  In Iraq and Afghanistan, insurgencies successfully engaged and did damage to the most advanced military in the world.  One poster mocks the idea of engaging an F22 with a rifle... but a shot to that F22 pilot's head from a distance when he isn't actually flying his aircraft is just as effective.  Engaging soft targets with hit-and-run tactics, disappearing back into the populace and not staying in one place... hard to hit targets from the air when you don't know where they're coming from beforehand or where they went after.

Send in the military to go house to house... and semi-auto carbines like ARs and AKs will wreak havoc.  Which, of course, assumes that the military would even willingly engage in active combat against their own friends and neighbors.

In the end, people tell themselves AR-15s aren't relevant in modern warfare... because that's what they want to believe.

Blackvegetable » 18 Jun 2022, 9:46 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jun 2022, 9:46 pm

Does he have a different history to offer?

Or is it more likely that he is giving a sponsored rap?

Sounds like you just got curbstomped again.  

Spartan » 19 Jun 2022, 3:21 pm » wrote: ↑

19 Jun 2022, 3:21 pm

I've read this whole thread, and I look at this comment and just shake my head.

Clearly, there are too many people who don't understand the term "asymmetrical warfare".  An armed populace, using asymmetrical warfare tactics, would bring a lot of harm down on even a modern military.  We've seen in Ukraine how an armed citizenry has been able to delay, disable, and destroy armor.  In Iraq and Afghanistan, insurgencies successfully engaged and did damage to the most advanced military in the world.  One poster mocks the idea of engaging an F22 with a rifle... but a shot to that F22 pilot's head from a distance when he isn't actually flying his aircraft is just as effective.  Engaging soft targets with hit-and-run tactics, disappearing back into the populace and not staying in one place... hard to hit targets from the air when you don't know where they're coming from beforehand or where they went after.

Send in the military to go house to house... and semi-auto carbines like ARs and AKs will wreak havoc.  Which, of course, assumes that the military would even willingly engage in active combat against their own friends and neighbors.

In the end, people tell themselves AR-15s aren't relevant in modern warfare... because that's what they want to believe.

It is rare that I find myself across the aisle from FOS, but I agree with your riposte - AND, I see and raise your argument. Our near-universal possession of weapons during dubya dubya deuce has been credibly linked by hysterians to the Japanese declining to invade the west coast. Also, the whole, "If they can't destroy a nucleaar sub, an aircraft carrier, and a Low Earth Orbit Space Drone Artificial Intelligence thing that might be a thing, your guns are worthless to the defense of your liberty" narrative? In the words of the great Al Sharpton, I abnegate that vituperation. 

If fearing that I am armed stops my neighbor from grabbing my wife's or daughter's ***, my gun has succeeded in defending my liberty. If it stops the local sherrif or other bigwig from like conduct, it has prevented official tyranny. And that prevention of tyranny will never be a statistic - even though it is a fact. 

All that Americans need to do in order to understand the effect of an armed populace in keeping government tyranny in check is disarm. Then we will find out - quick, fast, and in a hurry.