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Deezer Shoove » 21 Jun 2022, 1:13 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2022, 1:13 pm

I don't play. This is serious.
If I lose to you I must flagellate myself with a urine-soaked barbed wire lash.
 

All I do is explain kinetic evolving, I am not leading anyone to believe life is more than just existing as mutually evolving here now. I am actually defending my time being equally created as any ancestor added to this atmosphere.

Instinctive honesty was crucified 2022 years ago last Good Friday. All any reality does is manitain ancestral doubt since.

IkeBana » 21 Jun 2022, 11:50 am » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2022, 11:50 am

American women are put in way more grave danger by their christian fathers, brothers, husbands and boyfriends every minute of every day in this country than they are from any trans people.

Transsexual people are very scarce. They are outnumbered by pederast boyfriends and uncles by a huge margin.
Mostly, transsexuals seem to just want to be left alone to deal with their own lives.

ScottMon » 20 Jun 2022, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jun 2022, 1:30 pm

Lawful Gun Owners, Gay and Transgender people, people of faith and everyone else should just left in peace.

I think you might be referring to John Stuart Mill's "harm principle". It is more of a theory applying to when a government can act on an offense and is a popular argument with libertarians. Basically, it states that any action should be allowed until it acts on the personhood or liberty of others. You could argue that all three beliefs and actions you state apply to the fact that you aren't doing direct harm. Still, there usually are more factors at work in my opinion and sometimes actions like, and this is my opinion, allowing mentally deranged people to purchase firearms or subjecting children to lifestyles that they are too young to understand and judge are both harm to a certain degree.
BTW, John Stuart Mill, his father, and Jeremy Bentham were founders of the philosophy of utilitarianism. It was the theory that the greatest happiness or "utility" among the greatest number of people is the proper goal of any government. This stood to contrast the horrid working conditions in his native England during the beginning of the industrial revolution where the products produced were not shared equally and only the fortunate few were allotted the fruits of the new industry that began to replace agriculture. Henry Ford and other progressives set to change this by making the fruits of labor more accessible to the greatest number of people. Ford himself wanted to make his cars affordable for his employees. The question of the fundamental system of Capitalism and self interest is still a driving force in my opinion and the control of the means of production by the government (Communism) was a spectacular failure wherever it was tried. Still, the notes of utilitarianism still apply in my opinion.

Monderegal » 21 Jun 2022, 4:44 pm » wrote: ↑

21 Jun 2022, 4:44 pm

I think you might be referring to John Stuart Mill's "harm principle". It is more of a theory applying to when a government can act on an offense and is a popular argument with libertarians. Basically, it states that any action should be allowed until it acts on the personhood or liberty of others. You could argue that all three beliefs and actions you state apply to the fact that you aren't doing direct harm. Still, there usually are more factors at work in my opinion and sometimes actions like, and this is my opinion, allowing mentally deranged people to purchase firearms or subjecting children to lifestyles that they are too young to understand and judge are both harm to a certain degree.
BTW, John Stuart Mill, his father, and Jeremy Bentham were founders of the philosophy of utilitarianism. It was the theory that the greatest happiness or "utility" among the greatest number of people is the proper goal of any government. This stood to contrast the horrid working conditions in his native England during the beginning of the industrial revolution where the products produced were not shared equally and only the fortunate few were allotted the fruits of the new industry that began to replace agriculture. Henry Ford and other progressives set to change this by making the fruits of labor more accessible to the greatest number of people. Ford himself wanted to make his cars affordable for his employees. The question of the fundamental system of Capitalism and self interest is still a driving force in my opinion and the control of the means of production by the government (Communism) was a spectacular failure wherever it was tried. Still, the notes of utilitarianism still apply in my opinion.

john stuart mill also was an 'ethno nationalist' (in his day, the term for this was simply nationalist)

basically if a liberal read what he had to say about nationalism, then they would be forced to call him a nazi and therefore dismiss all of his philosophy.