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Skans » 23 Jun 2022, 8:03 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 8:03 pm

If I had my way, I would go to war with Mexico and China over what they have done to our Citizens through addictive chemicals.  As far as I'm concerned, this is a form of chemical warfare.  I'd give one stern warning to Mexico - keep you drugs, your gangs, your **** out of America.  That's it then I'd start by wiping out all of Mexico, making it look 10x worse than Ukraine. And then, if necessary, I'd plow into China next.

I'm not a Libertarian.  Never will be and never will cede America's chemical addiction to Mexico, China or any other stinking country.  No more Mexicans - the World will get the message.

I'm not a libertarian either - but I AM a moralist (yet also a pragmatist), and a person generally inclined to respect the views of the Founders.Libertarians are mostly too stupid to understand that they even HAVE a regulatory interest to delegate. Nor do they have the least idea about the actual thoughts of the Founding generation. The retards cannot wrap their heads around the concept of Eminent Domain, and believe that **** zoning laws are communist.  

The notion that "Mexico" - whatever that even means to you - is responsible for America's drug problem is rife with irony and not very deep at all. TBH, I consider the view downright cartoonish. The American deep state CREATED the Mexican drug cartels. Obama ARMED the cartels. That IS a war against Mexico. We have **** Mexico seven ways from Sunday. And you wanna blame THEM? How would you feel if you learned that the Mexicn government was arming AMERICAN drug gangs? Sending weapons to the crips and bloods?

Forget I asked - I don't want to cause an emotional breakdown by you even contemplating it. 

The CIA created crack, created the bloods, created the crips - trained them to make and distribute crack. The DEA and the CIA run the Mexican cartels. It is the POLICY of your government that kids should get drugs in their schools. It was colleges in the 60s, high schools in the 70s, jr. highs in the 80s, and then in the 90s, they started giving out amphetemines to elementary school children and arresting parents who dared to call childhood by its name, instead of calling it A.D.D. and doping it.

POLICY.

Policy that YOU support. And then blame **** Mexico.   

 
 

Holdor » 23 Jun 2022, 8:38 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 8:38 pm

The first time Women used their power to vote in force, they created Prohibition, which created all the Cartels and drug problems we have in the USA today.

Without Prohibition there would be no Drug Cartels in Mexico, and no Drug Problems in the USA, you would see people flying signs saying I need my Heroin, instead they say I need a beer.

The Mexican government had the cartels on the ropes. They were getting their country back. This would **** with the cash flow and the power of the CIA and the DEA.

Obama solved that problem with Operation Fast and Furious. 

Of course, retarded kooliders on the left and right believe it was an "oopsie doopsie," on the slipshod theory that they are EVER so much smarter than the people who run their lives and decide what is on their televisions. "Hyuk hyuk - gubmint is stupid. Ah cood dew it SO much bedder."

The people in charge are not stupid - those who think them stupid are stupid. 

The people in charge are **** evil. Try to stay center-herd and avoid the blade.

Cannonpointer » 23 Jun 2022, 10:24 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 10:24 pm

The Mexican government had the cartels on the ropes. They were getting their country back. This would **** with the cash flow and the power of the CIA and the DEA.

Obama solved that problem with Operation Fast and Furious. 

Of course, retarded kooliders on the left and right believe it was an "oopsie doopsie," on the slipshod theory that they are EVER so much smarter than the people who run their lives and decide what is on their televisions. "Hyuk hyuk - gubmint is stupid. Ah cood dew it SO much bedder."

The people in charge are not stupid - those who think them stupid are stupid. 

The people in charge are **** evil. Try to stay center-herd and avoid the blade.

Republican Cartels in Mexico had Monopolies on Ropes, Yeah that is is BIG ****.

sootedupCyndi » 22 Jun 2022, 7:23 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 7:23 am

The Biden administration is moving forward on a plan to mandate the elimination of nearly all nicotine in cigarettes, a policy that would upend the $95 billion U.S. cigarette industry and, health officials say, prompt millions of people to quit smoking.13 hours agoBiden Administration Targets Removal of Most Nicotine From ...https://www.wsj.com › articles › biden-administration-targ...

"Keith Olbermann Triggered by SCOTUS Ruling on Concealed Carry"

That kook is always triggered.      

https://pjmedia.com/culture/matt-margol ... y-n1607550
 
 

Cannonpointer » 23 Jun 2022, 10:11 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 10:11 pm

The retards...and believe that **** zoning laws are communist.   

...i've never met a trumptard who understands libertarianism or (((((THE MONEY)))))) or anything else not related to tranny bathrooms and the puppet$ about whom the fools obsess... word...   

Staplophobia » 23 Jun 2022, 6:58 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 6:58 am

Squatchman » 22 Jun 2022, 11:57 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 11:57 pm

  I fell 2 months ago and tore my rotator cuff and tore 2 tendons. I got surgery scheduled and it was supposed to be last Thursday.
 Tuesday,2 days before the surgery,the surgeons office called and told me the surgery was canceled. 
 My health insurance provider won't pay for the surgery. Because I'm a smoker. Now in order to get surgery I have to quit smoking for 30 days and prove it by taking a blood test. Then they can schedule the surgery again.

You voted for Obama?
 

 

The insurance company won't pay for the surgery ****.  The only place Obama has anything to do with it is in the empty chasm between your ears.

That said.  It's getting to the point where I don't have a big problem with insurance companies refusing to provide coverage for drinkers, smokers, Big Mac addicts with their clogged **** arteries, and anti-vaxxers. 

And...it's a private insurance company...private companies can do pretty much whatever they want. 

For instance, a restaurant, which is a private business, can tell you to get out if you have no shoes, no shirt, no mask or no vaccination card.  I thought you conjobs were all about our rights and freedoms.  Why do you hate the rights and freedoms of private businesses so much?
 

Off topic

A while back this guy asked me to buy him a pack cigarettes. I said no, hell to the no, are you kidding me? He said I got the money.. I said no,

He went in on a rant, he said last week I could buy my own and then they changed the age limit, he said I leave for basic in two weeks and I could go die in a war but I cant buy a **** pack of cigarettes.

So I took a cigarette out of my pack lit it up and dropped the rest of the pack on the ground. As I began getting into my truck the guy said hey man you dropped your cigarettes.. I winked at him and drove off.


You can go to war and 18 and literally give your life ... But you can't buy booze or cigarettes until you are 21...

Ain't America **** grand

Staplophobia » 24 Jun 2022, 7:40 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 7:40 am

**** off nasty ***

Flaccid, limp, impotent nazi.
 

sootedupCyndi » 22 Jun 2022, 7:23 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jun 2022, 7:23 am

The Biden administration is moving forward on a plan to mandate the elimination of nearly all nicotine in cigarettes, a policy that would upend the $95 billion U.S. cigarette industry and, health officials say, prompt millions of people to quit smoking.13 hours agoBiden Administration Targets Removal of Most Nicotine From ...https://www.wsj.com › articles › biden-administration-targ...

Well...nicotine is an addictive drug.  Can I assume you're in favor of the legalization of everything? 

I know...let's you and me go into business together.  I'm thinking we open the Fentanyl Boutique.  We need to make sure it's cash only, and that we make the margin big enough that we get enough money out of it fast, before all our customers are **** dead.  You can be the money partner.  I'll run the business.
 

Staplophobia » 24 Jun 2022, 8:02 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 8:02 am

Ike, I didn't stutter.
**** off nasty ***.

Pack your **** and get the **** out of the USA.

Nope...flaccid, limp, impotent nazi.
 

IkeBana » 24 Jun 2022, 8:01 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 8:01 am

Well...nicotine is an addictive drug.  Can I assume you're in favor of the legalization of everything? 

I know...let's you and me go into business together.  I'm thinking we open the Fentanyl Boutique.  We need to make sure it's cash only, and that we make the margin big enough that we get enough money out of it fast, before all our customers are **** dead.  You can be the money partner.  I'll run the business.

LOL. I really dont care if folks want legal weed. But no.. i'm against tons of drugs. Even the legal ones.

but THANKS for the bidness offer. I'm busy.

I am setting up a NDA (Near Displacement Advisor) hotline for OMH. And he's going to answer the phone and give advise. My plan is to advertise in the  back of the Enquirer. And I am managing the money. I take PayPal

   
 

Holdor » 23 Jun 2022, 2:14 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 2:14 am

You Republicans live in such a horrible world I really feel sorry for you, I love my life and I love my country.

Doesn't sound to me like you give much of a **** about the freedoms that are being revoked constantly by the idiot you voted for, though.
That may change when you wake up and find that some of the rights you actually cared about have been taken away as well.

Till that day comes, enjoy your $6 a gallon gas, your 9% inflation rate, your high taxes, and knowing how dumb you were to vote for a demented, inept pervert who **** his pants.
 

Staplophobia » 24 Jun 2022, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 8:40 am

You rimming your fat ugly whore wife?

No...I'm rimming your fat ugly whore wife.   One ugly rectal orifice is pretty much like another.
 

While this a bit of a reach.. outlawing tobacco/nicotine would be a disaster. Users would simply find a black market to acquire what they want.

A bit of an interesting aside. Yes, the tax revenues have started to slide. Years ago, tax revenues from cigarettes, gas, and alcohol were the supposed cash cows. Raise the tax and folks will still pay it. Their desire to have those goods overrides anything else. They will simply compensate by spending less on other goods/services. Well, that has not turned out to be the case. Come to find out, there is a limit. At a certain point, folks stop purchasing these goods legally or in some cases.. simply do without.

peepee » 24 Jun 2022, 6:38 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 6:38 am

...i've never met a trumptard

Just look in the mirror, queer. 
 

impartialobserver » 24 Jun 2022, 10:57 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 10:57 am

.  .  .  outlawing tobacco/nicotine  . . .  Yes, the tax revenues have started to slide. 

No big deal  . . .  they'll raise taxes on other goods !

Gas perhaps ?

Ammo and guns ?

Staplophobia » 24 Jun 2022, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 10:13 am

I am not married. 
 

It would not surprise me at all that a rape fantasizing incel like you isn't married.

But you're also a lying cocksucker so who knows.
 

JinnMartini » 25 Jun 2022, 4:30 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 4:30 am

No big deal  . . .  they'll raise taxes on other goods !

Gas perhaps ?

Ammo and guns ?

If one is being purely objective, you are correct on them just raising taxes on other things. Next target would be items like alcohol, hotel rooms, or small business taxes. I find it interesting (i know that you do not) that we have reached the top of the curve, so to speak. The thought was always that smokers will do anything, pay anything to get what they want.. come to find out, that's not true. 

Neo » 23 Jun 2022, 2:39 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 2:39 pm

I had a fairly successful ecig business but saw this writing on the wall so I exited. I smoked a pack a day for 25 years. Father died of smoking related cancer and I was unable to keep a death bed promise I made to him, I couldn't quit smoking. Ecigs hit the scene a year after his passing and I used them to finally quit my addiction. This was years before vape shops and easy access at gas stations. Spent $5000 ordering a custom bulk supply of the devices from China and learned how to mix ejuice. Ended up selling a few thousand kits at near cost to kick start adoption and save the lives of hopelessly addicted smokers I saw lives saved, I saw hope restored. I saw big tobacco fight like hell to demonize the product as it was costing them souls.

This move isn't surprising. Kids will simply start smoking instead of vaping. Lives will be lost following our loss of freedom. Free to kill yourself if big tobacco makes a profit, not free to use a less harmful alternative.

The car we're renting here in Japan has a big sticker on the dashboard, warning that  smoking is stricktly prohibited.
Underneat it, with even bolder letters it says :  INCLUDING E-CIGARETTES !

How would they be  ENFORCING  this rule ?

And, honestly,  I could never understand why someone would smoke those chemicals !
I believe they're even more hazardous than normal cigarettes.
That is my conviction, anyway.
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By the way  . . .  think about how much paper someone smokes in one year, by a pack a day  !  !  !
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Anatomy of a Cigarette

Conventional Cigarette
Note: This virtual cigarette does not represent a particular brand but describes the structure of many of the most popular brands of cigarettes on the market.



Tobacco
Only a portion of the tobacco inside a cigarette comes from the leaf of a tobacco plant. A significant amount of the shredded brown innards of most modern cigarettes is a paper product called "reconstituted tobacco" or "homogenized sheet tobacco," which is made from a pulp of mashed tobacco stems and other parts of the tobacco leaf that would otherwise go to waste. Manufacturers spray and impregnate reconstituted tobacco paper with nicotine and other substances lost during the process, along with as many as 600 chemical additives. These include several that may come as a surprise, such as ammonia, which aids in the delivery of nicotine, and chocolate, which masks the bitter taste of tobacco. Finally, the 'recon' is sliced to resemble shredded leaf tobacco.

In addition to reconstituted tobacco, cigarette companies pack cigarettes with so-called puffed tobacco (also called "expanded tobacco"), which allows them to produce more cigarettes per pound of tobacco grown with lower levels of tar particles in the smoke. Manufacturers saturate this tobacco, which they make from the leaf of the plant, with freon and ammonia gases and then freeze-dry it. This process expands the tobacco, increasing its volume to at least double its natural state.



 
 

Anatomy of a cigarette part 2 :

Paper wrap
Though seemingly innocuous, cigarette paper is largely responsible for the rate at which a cigarette burns and the amount and density of the smoke it produces. The paper displays a pattern of concentric circle striations called "burn rings." The burn rings correspond to two different thicknesses in the paper, which serve to precisely control the speed at which the cigarette burns, slowing it automatically when the smoker is not inhaling in order to prolong the cigarette's consumption and speeding it up as the smoker takes a drag so as to maximize smoke intake. In addition, like the tobacco, the cigarette paper contains a host of chemicals, among them titanium oxide, which accelerates and maintains burning so the cigarette does not go out and the smoke is delivered evenly with each puff. These chemicals have contributed to many cigarette-caused fires, a problem that some manufacturers have not addressed until recently.

Filter
The filter cigarette was a specialty item until 1954, when manufacturers introduced it broadly following a spate of speculative announcements from doctors and researchers concerning a possible link between lung diseases and smoking. Reacting to smokers' voiced fears and sudden reduced cigarette consumption, cigarette companies, by altering the filter's structure and materials, began making competing claims about how low their brands' tar and nicotine levels were.

Some cigarettes today boast the inclusion of a "charcoal filter" in addition to the more common dense, synthetic fiber filters seen in almost all filter cigarettes. Manufacturers claim that charcoal filters, which contain bits of charcoal embedded within the fiber filters, reduce certain toxins in the smoke. But no evidence exists that these cigarettes are significantly less dangerous for the user.

Most filter cigarettes also bear ventilation holes punched around the circumference of the filter tip. (Regular cigarettes might feature one ring of ventilation holes, while light and ultra-light cigarettes of the same brand might have two or more rings.) These tiny holes, which you can see by holding the unrolled paper up to a bright light, can allow enough fresh air into the smoke that such cigarettes can test quite low in tar and nicotine levels when smoked by machines, which do not cover the holes. However, smokers' fingers or lips often cover some of these holes as they puff, giving them much higher doses of tar and nicotine than advertised. According to critics of the tobacco industry, the holes create a flexible dosing system that allows addicted smokers to maintain the tar and nicotine levels they crave while believing they are receiving lower, safer doses.


'Safer' Cigarettes
Note: In the past 25 years, major U.S. cigarette manufacturers have tried to develop reduced-hazard cigarettes. The brands below are just two of the many 'safer' cigarette prototypes.

Eclipse
Eclipse

In 1994, R.J. Reynolds began testing its Eclipse smokeless cigarette with consumers in select U.S. markets. Most scientists and health professionals agree that the combustion of tobacco creates most of the toxins in a typical cigarette. The presumed relative safety of Eclipse, which from a distance looks like a conventional cigarette, rests on the fact that only a small amount of the tobacco inside it actually burns. Instead, when a smoker lights a charcoal tip on the end of the cigarette, a column of processed tobacco laced with glycerin and flavors heats up. The warmed glycerin produces a smoke-like vapor, which carries nicotine released by the heat into the lungs. Because of the burning charcoal tip, carbon monoxide remains a constituent of the smoke, and overall toxin levels increase when the tip burns hot from heavy smoking.