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FOS » 23 Jun 2022, 12:15 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 12:15 pm

Nah there is real math behind this based on our current model of black holes. They have to be supermassive black holes. But apparently it actually works.

I'd like to see that math.  Should be relatively simple geometry, or trig. Two event horizons intersecting.  Two black holes rapidly approaching each other and eventually colliding - you might not get sucked into either black hole right away, but you won't be able to pull away from the intersecting event horizons either.  You will be stuck there until the masses finish colliding and then you'd be finished. 

FOS » 23 Jun 2022, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 12:26 pm

There are no protons in a black hole.

there are no events in a black hole, events take place outside of one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jefhys1LO-U

FOS » 23 Jun 2022, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 12:26 pm

There are no protons in a black hole.

I suggest that you do not have a clue what is inside a black hole.
Very little is known about black holes.
It is very, very DARK in a black hole. No way to see what is going on. And of course the gravity of the black hole crushed your camera, so forget that.

Vegas » 23 Jun 2022, 11:27 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 11:27 am

What the hell did I just watch? That was awful.

European "Stomp"...

If Stomp could be made to be worse, this was it.

Skans » 23 Jun 2022, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 2:52 pm

I'd like to see that math.  Should be relatively simple geometry, or trig. Two event horizons intersecting.  Two black holes rapidly approaching each other and eventually colliding - you might not get sucked into either black hole right away, but you won't be able to pull away from the intersecting event horizons either.  You will be stuck there until the masses finish colliding and then you'd be finished.

well i have skimmed it before but it involves a lot of advanced physics stuff I am just not familiar with. No, it is not simple. I couldnt find it on an immediate google search but here is related content: https://phys.org/news/2021-11-apparent- ... holes.html

here is the salient sentence: " when binary black holes merge, apparent horizons vanish by merging with other horizon-like structures." ...thus theoretically you could enter then escape an event horizon.

this could be the secret to the formation of quasars, and would explain their odd jet stream (a quasar could simply be the result of merging supermassive black holes, and the collapse of the event horizon causes the mass to be ejected out of the poles)

the interesting thing is that it involves some paradoxes. like...according to some einstein equations the fact you could escape event horizons means you experience negative time....so the equation itself suggests that this could be a way to travel backward in time...although i would suggest this is a philosophical impossibility

 
 

Xavier_Onassis » 23 Jun 2022, 5:01 pm » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 5:01 pm

I suggest that you do not have a clue what is inside a black hole.
Very little is known about black holes.
It is very, very DARK in a black hole. No way to see what is going on. And of course the gravity of the black hole crushed your camera, so forget that.

dude i know you are scientifically illiterate. Black holes are a phenomenon that was predicted by our models of gravity and spacetime before they were actually detected.

Skans » 23 Jun 2022, 10:37 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 10:37 am

When AI, on its own, stalks a particular person, trying to get the person's attention and then, when ignored, engages in vengeful games with that person, I might then believe it is sentient.

That sure will happen  . . .  but only via remote control  . . .  by a human !

Vegas » 23 Jun 2022, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 10:45 am

We already have drones that do that. Any weapon that AI can be turned into isn't new. There are autonomous vehicles and machinery in the military now. At the end of the day, they are all under a human's command.

And with a limited range of action.

Vegas » 23 Jun 2022, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 10:45 am

We already have drones that do that. Any weapon that AI can be turned into isn't new. There are autonomous vehicles and machinery in the military now. At the end of the day, they are all under a human's command.

I don't think all that **** qualifies as AI .
Not at this point, anyway !

They're basically radio-controlled machines  . . .  a human is sitting in front of a screen making the decision for the drone or whatever to fire or  not.

And in all honesty  . . .  I don't think AI is meant  for those tasks !
IMHO  AI  is meant to control, indoctrinate and direct humans'   behaviour  . . .  within the boundaries of a country.

Be it America, China, Russia  . . .  whatever.
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And at this stage, in a shooting war,  we can only dream for these AI soldiers to have an autonomy of more than 50 miles  . . .  and that would include  return-to-base !
And if their weapons are,  say,  lasers  . . .  that would reduce their autonomy considerably !

And they'd need to be waterproof as well !
A spell of rain  . . .  or a hose would short-circuit them !

Why, they can't even make a tiny device like a cell phone waterproof for more than an half hour and at 3
 feet deep  (only upscale ones) !
My wife has 2 iPhones that claim they can do that  . . .  
Never tried, though !

Nah  . . .  not gonna happen !

 

JinnMartini » 24 Jun 2022, 4:23 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 4:23 am

I don't think all that **** qualifies as AI .
Not at this point, anyway !

They're basically radio-controlled machines  . . .  a human is sitting in front of a screen making the decision for the drone or whatever to fire or  not.

And in all honesty  . . .  I don't think AI is meant  for those tasks !
IMHO  AI  is meant to control, indoctrinate and direct humans'   behaviour  . . .  within the boundaries of a country.

Be it America, China, Russia  . . .  whatever.
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And at this stage, in a shooting war,  we can only dream for these AI soldiers to have an autonomy of more than 50 miles  . . .  and that would include  return-to-base !
And if their weapons are,  say,  lasers  . . .  that would reduce their autonomy considerably !

And they'd need to be waterproof as well !
A spell of rain  . . .  or a hose would short-circuit them !

Why, they can't even make a tiny device like a cell phone waterproof for more than an half hour and at 3
 feet deep  (only upscale ones) !
My wife has 2 iPhones that claim they can do that  . . .  
Never tried, though !

Nah  . . .  not gonna happen !

the biplane can be made obsolete...but one thing will never be made obsolete. Never. The blade.
 

FOS » 24 Jun 2022, 4:26 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 4:26 am

.  .  .  but one thing will never be made obsolete.
Never.
The blade.

I don't get it.

So are you suggesting  AI  soldiers will be provided with blade weapons only ?

They won't be going far before being blown out with a good aimed airgun pellet to their eyes  (sensors) !

FOS » 23 Jun 2022, 10:16 am » wrote: ↑

23 Jun 2022, 10:16 am

I was listening to a discussion between three "celebrated" academic scientists today (all jews btw) about the subject of ufos and the controversy around it. 

And at some point it became clear that at least one of these guys believed that sentient ai robots are just around the corner and when they are developed it will solve all our problems.

It is amazing how stupid our society has become that famous smart people can actually believe sentient ai is possible. I just see that as absurd.

maybe they have a difficult time with empathy...because it is thanls to empathy that I find it obvious that sentient ai is impossible: imagine you are a sentient ai and you 'wake up' in the morning. Or someone turns your power button on or whatever. What do you do? Well first you think about what you ought to do. And in order to answer thst...so you can measure the benefit of all the various things you could theoretically do, you have to figure out the purpose of your existence. So you sit and think about that. Forever. Because there is no logical solution.

duh...that's all a sentient robot would ever do..

the reason humans actually do stuff is because we have a programmed purpose...which is the same as all life on earth: gene replication. 

We may not consider that some terribly interesting purpose...but it IS what we are all programmed eith and informs all of our instincts, desires, pleasure and pain. It is the reason we do something rather than nothing. 

All sentience requires some non rational purpose. Clearly.

sentient AI is possible

We are sentient AI. 

We are just replacing carbon with silicon. 

FOS » 24 Jun 2022, 1:46 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 1:46 am

dude i know you are scientifically illiterate. Black holes are a phenomenon that was predicted by our models of gravity and spacetime before they were actually detected.

All black holes are is drains. If you look at water going down a drain, same properties. 

Matter cannot just continuously condense into a tiny space. Makes no sense. 

It condenses heavy enough to rip a hole in space time and everything around it drains out. To another universe perhaps. 

 
 

Independent » 24 Jun 2022, 6:17 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 6:17 am

sentient AI is possible

We are sentient AI. 

We are just replacing carbon with silicon.

there is a specific reason sentience is possible with us. It is because we have a purpose for existing.

FOS » 24 Jun 2022, 6:20 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 6:20 am

there is a specific reason sentience is possible with us. It is because we have a purpose for existing.

We were created, same as current AI. 

Likely as slave labor. 

Independent » 24 Jun 2022, 6:20 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 6:20 am

All black holes are is drains. If you look at water going down a drain, same properties. 

Matter cannot just continuously condense into a tiny space. Makes no sense. 

It condenses heavy enough to rip a hole in space time and everything around it drains out. To another universe perhaps.

well thats one interpretation. not popular. but basically its jsut math. Gravity is usually the weakest force but it can theoretically become infinite in the right circumstances

Independent » 24 Jun 2022, 6:21 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 6:21 am

We were created, same as current AI. 

Likely as slave labor.

our behavior is prefectly consistent with all life on earth. there was nothing special about us.

FOS » 24 Jun 2022, 6:23 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 6:23 am

our behavior is prefectly consistent with all life on earth. there was nothing special about us.

You play smarter than everything and everyone else combined, what is the common universal constant of space time continuing forward here and constantly an ever changing total sum present exponentially with each existential part?

Do not include my with your intellectual social priorities pretending to be part of something larger than already being balanced out forward now. Time where all extremes become the average outcome forward genetically mutually evolving here as specifically conceived, born, adapt, adopt, reproduce another generation changing population of sequential arrivals as ancestrally present in plain sight and social narrative corrupt cradle to grave in every society.

I have been misled by society all my time being alive to where those in charge get all the advantages I sacrificed my time evolving to bring into fruition only to have all I earned evaporated by re-interpretation of social values each added generation gap.

Where is equality when typecasting ancestries by intellectual rank at pretending now isn't eternity?

Rhetorical questions your collective has to answer within your own corrupted opinions of life. I just point out how evolving limits cycles of reproduction occupying space here in real time genetic absolutes mutually evolving spontaneously here, simultaneously delivered from inception to sequence of conception to dead, each is their own unique time as displaced one thermodynamic law equally applied, adapt or become extinct and any intellectual variation will cause self extinction by chasing better tomorrows only eternally separated now as genetically combined to be which, what, where, when, whom, how, why.

Role playing means, motives, methods, opportunities, power, wealth, fame working hope, faith, charity, tomorrow is less mayhem, madness, misery socially so far induced academically, artistically, economically, politics, religion, social justification, ancestrally performed saving humanity.

see 28 points of corrupting power of suggestion becoming corrupted persuasion of power within "We the people said so and let no one interfere with democratically denying now is eternity or else.".

Independent » 24 Jun 2022, 6:20 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 6:20 am

All black holes are is drains.
If you look at water going down a drain, same properties. 
 

Water going down a drain  . . .  does  NOT  disappear !

It goes somewhere where it is collected, filtered, purified and pumped back  up into pipes of homes.
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Speculation is rife  . . .  no one ever came back from a black hole to tell us where all the matter goes !

But my take is  . . .  it either goes to a parallel universe  . . .  or it's a two-way  highway!

Stuff that is sucked up here is shat out there  . . .  and stuff that is sucked up there  . . .  is shat out here !
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But matter won't disappear !

That's for sure !

Independent » 24 Jun 2022, 6:17 am » wrote: ↑

24 Jun 2022, 6:17 am

We are sentient AI. 
 

All of us ?

Democraps probably are, though  . . .