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Cannonpointer » 25 Jun 2022, 5:18 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:18 pm

Well, I'm not defending roe. I've never read it. AND I don't agree with it. I believe a state caan outlaw a medical procedure - that is, criminalize its performance. I'm saying  woman has a right to privacy in her person - I'm not saying a doctor has a right to perform an abortion. I don't see that in the Constitution.

I disagreed with RvW simply because it infringes on state rights.  No other reason

SJConspirator » 25 Jun 2022, 5:26 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:26 pm

nothing I do with my own body should be illegal, so long as it harms nobody else.  That second part is the sticking point in the case of abortion.

So abortion doesn't hurt anyone? Lol

SJConspirator » 25 Jun 2022, 5:26 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:26 pm

nothing I do with my own body should be illegal, so long as it harms nobody else.  That second part is the sticking point in the case of abortion.

you are moving away from law here and trying to enter ethics. 


My point was si.ply that roe v Wade was legally untenable. 

Like sure. I don't see how it hurts anyone to kill ***. Maybe we should make that legal. But that isn't within the scope of this discussion

FOS » 25 Jun 2022, 5:29 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:29 pm

So abortion doesn't hurt anyone? Lol

it does, but IMO the right of an adult woman’s bodily autonomy trumps the right of the fetus.  Each state should be able to decide which right is going to prevail within their borders.

Are you endorsing a federal mandate prohibiting all abortion in every state?  Like a reverse RvW?
 

FOS » 25 Jun 2022, 5:22 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:22 pm

And if I go around randomly killing *** and the state charges me with murder. 

Would you say that is a private matter?

Um, no.

FOS » 25 Jun 2022, 5:22 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:22 pm

Are you not in effect attempting to deconstruct literally every conceivable law?

Um, no. abortion has been a crime EVER for about 50 years. Then it was legalized for another fifty.

For thousands and thousands of years before that, it was just a thing, and then we moved on.

MEDICAL abortions as we know them are new - so the laws are new. But herbal abortions? ****, man, they been around FOREVER - and no laws agin' em.

FOS » 25 Jun 2022, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 3:26 pm

Roe v Wade was based on a retarded **** crazy idea that the constitution defended abortion. 

You can read the Constitution yourself. It doesn't say **** about abortion. 

It's kinda funny that in a country founded by protestants, there was some culture of accepting the interpretation of 'experts' (priests) interpreting a text in stupidly imaginative ways.

I am not a lawyer and do not need to be. I can read the constitution. And roe v Wade is retarded.. whether it is the right thing or not...I don't care where you land on that....it's a stupid legal argument.. 

My father actually was a lawyer. A very successful one. And he agreed. Legally Roe v Wade was stupid. But he would only whisper that to me cause he was always on board with the leftist agenda.  
 

From just a legal standpoint axiom? ha ha ha ha ha ha how one sided debates have always worked 24/7 life only exists mutually evolving here now among the reproductions left living forward now. Right?

Legal is separate from moral.

factual is separating actual results into intellectual categories of what else is possible as a species that become race, creed, color, national origin, gender, all he ideologies assumed as social identities.

Liberty to use your own brain navigating time mutually evolving now is forbidden in every reality defining typecast people saving humanity

Tyranny begins with power of suggesting real isn't real.

Reasonable doubt ends with extinction of the species believing they are exempt from mutually evolving here now.

What people do cradle to grave advancing ideology beyond their time evolving here now.

omh » 25 Jun 2022, 5:42 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:42 pm

From just a legal standpoint axiom? ha ha ha ha ha ha how one sided debates have always worked 24/7 life only exists mutually evolving here now among the reproductions left living forward now. Right?

when you realize you forgot to make PG thread..

SJConspirator » 25 Jun 2022, 5:46 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:46 pm

when you realize you forgot to make PG thread..

Being honest within yourself allows one to think why PG gallery exists at all in a No Holds Barred forum on a site that has the protected forum of liberals only.

ha ha ha ha ha. when persons know their ideas are always fruition of hyperbole practiced ancestrally they cannot leave the sanctuary of organized doubt constituting institutional idealisms cradle to grave even their own ancestry ignores life in plain sight.

I have been psychologically insulated and isolated my whole time evolving equally occupying space as anything universally present and lasted 15 billion years perpetually balancing so far. perpetual motion is a natural event and why humans will never duplicate the process reproductively changing population present.

Freedom to understand natural limitations is beyond your educated wildest social narrative playing Guardians of Eternal Intellectual Life After Ancestrally Dead.

omh » 25 Jun 2022, 5:55 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:55 pm

Being honest within yourself allows one to think why PG gallery exists at all in a No Holds Barred forum on a site that has the protected forum of liberals only.

ha ha ha ha ha. when persons know their ideas are always fruition of hyperbole practiced ancestrally they cannot leave the sanctuary of organized doubt constituting institutional idealisms cradle to grave even their own ancestry ignores life in plain sight.

I have been psychologically insulated and isolated my whole time evolving equally occupying space as anything universally present and lasted 15 billion years perpetually balancing so far. perpetual motion is a natural event and why humans will never duplicate the process reproductively changing population present.

Freedom to understand natural limitations is beyond your educated wildest social narrative playing Guardians of Eternal Intellectual Life After Ancestrally Dead.

frame only dice ski lodge the red to being skeleton?

nefarious101 » 25 Jun 2022, 3:54 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 3:54 pm

it's all based on the meaning of "IS"

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SJConspirator » 25 Jun 2022, 6:01 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 6:01 pm

frame only dice ski lodge the red to being skeleton?

you know you lost, and ridiculing the person that exposed your means, methods, motives, opportunities, power, wealth, fame, collecting extortion by taxation, organized institutional denial, constituting the human right to orchestrate chaos on anyone explaining natural kinetic displacement of combined DNA results specifically timed apart when geographically here.

Accountability demanded, ancestrally accounted population delivered instinctively no exception by context promising better tomorrows than genetics supplied in plain sight throughout history of people ignoring their own natural displacement.

FOS » 25 Jun 2022, 5:29 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:29 pm

So abortion doesn't hurt anyone? Lol

Abortion is a mercy killing done by the mother to spare her child the living hell she had to endure after birth by those demanding she obey reality first or else.

Brain instinctively navigates never exceeding being alive now. Social mentality never accepts life is limited to only evolving forward here.

why does humanity create so many martyrs rather die serving idealists than live as their actual being here now?

Bet you don't have an honest answer.

omh » 25 Jun 2022, 6:10 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 6:10 pm

you know you lost, and ridiculing the person that exposed your means, methods, motives, opportunities, power, wealth, fame, collecting extortion by taxation, organized institutional denial, constituting the human right to orchestrate chaos on anyone explaining natural kinetic displacement of combined DNA results specifically timed apart when geographically here.

Accountability demanded, ancestrally accounted population delivered instinctively no exception by context promising better tomorrows than genetics supplied in plain sight throughout history of people ignoring their own natural displacement.

hours bovine the grim under many to swimming likely for. 

SJConspirator » 25 Jun 2022, 6:25 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 6:25 pm

hours bovine the grim under many to swimming likely for. 

Why collective minds never match an honest brain recognizing why humanity corrupts each added great great grandchild changing population forward now until no more ever arrive again.

omh » 25 Jun 2022, 6:27 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 6:27 pm

Why collective minds never match an honest brain recognizing why humanity corrupts each added great great grandchild changing population forward now until no more ever arrive again.

attention you for desperate are responding keep to gobbledygook?

SJConspirator » 25 Jun 2022, 6:30 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 6:30 pm

attention you for desperate are responding keep to gobbledygook?

Caricature projection again, I only describe how equally created works naturally for each reproduction occupying space now. Eternally balancing limits extreme radial projections beyond mutually timed apart here.

What do you think makes Karma compounding returns on individuals deceiving everyone else around them 24/7. I am not deceiving anyone life exceeds evolving here now.

your intellectual mind adopted after birth has for over 300 generations.

SJConspirator » 25 Jun 2022, 5:34 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:34 pm

it does, but IMO the right of an adult woman’s bodily autonomy trumps the right of the fetus.  Each state should be able to decide which right is going to prevail within their borders.

Are you endorsing a federal mandate prohibiting all abortion in every state?  Like a reverse RvW?

Again. The discussion is not about what ought to be. It is legal.

My claim is that the right 4o abortion is constitutionally protected is absurd.


Tell me where in the constitution the right to an abortion is legally protected.

SJConspirator » 25 Jun 2022, 5:26 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:26 pm

nothing I do with my own body should be illegal, so long as it harms nobody else.  That second part is the sticking point in the case of abortion.

Seat belt and helmet laws.
Seems they should be voluntary according to your logic.
I'm not disagreeing necessarily.

FOS » 25 Jun 2022, 6:57 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 6:57 pm

Again. The discussion is not about what ought to be. It is legal.

My claim is that the right 4o abortion is constitutionally protected is absurd.

Tell me where in the constitution the right to an abortion is legally protected.

it's not.  I never knew you were so ardently pro life.

Laws are sometimes based on morals, ethics and whatnot.
 

SJConspirator » 25 Jun 2022, 5:28 pm » wrote: ↑

25 Jun 2022, 5:28 pm

I disagreed with RvW simply because it infringes on state rights.  No other reason

It also has people calling it "non viable tissue mass" so soften the actual seriousness.
Makes abortion more marketable. Like relabeling it to "choice" has.

It further, incorrectly, gave stupid people the idea that abortion became a "right" with RvW.