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roadkill » 29 Jun 2022, 3:19 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2022, 3:19 am

"These Committee members hid exculpatory evidence from the American people after looking into the cameras and promising to tell the American people “the truth about January 6th”."

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/0 ... y-charges/

TELL US THE TRUTH, GATEWAY!


:rofl:  
 

"In the late Senate Sergeant-at-Arms Michael Stenger’s final testimony before Congress, one of the key officials charged with securing the Capitol building on January 6 urged lawmakers to investigate ‘professional agitators.”

“There is an opportunity to learn lessons from the events of January 6th,’ Stenger said in his opening statement to Congress on February 23, 2021. “Investigations should be considered as to funding and travel of what appears to be professional agitators.”

https://rumble.com/v1ab6yd-michael-sten ... e-pro.html

https://trendingpolitics.com/deceased-s ... tors-knab/

Asking the corrupt dim-0-craps to investigate themselves is futile. These hearings would go on forever. Just throw the many titted empress, Michael Leroy Byrd and Comey in jail and you have half the puzzle worked out. As it is, Pelosi, Cheney and Schiff-for-brains could not look any sillier without wearing huge red noses and size 25 shoes. McCain is already serving his sentence.

"This is only a sampling of the perspiring hyperbole we were delivered following Cassy's appearance. There were a couple of problems seen initially in all of this effusive coverage. First, did any of her claims make sense to these journalists? Do they really believe Trump had access to the driver's cabin in the presidential limousine and that he tried to choke out a Secret Service agent? Did anyone question the story of guns being visible in the mall where Trump spoke, and no one took action to prevent him from speaking? The lack of pragmatic analysis is stark here.

Secondly, what do any of the Hutchinson stories have to do with the thrust and intent of this hearing? Supposing everything she said was accurate, these anecdotes in no way illustrate intent of fostering the riot or overturning the election. Trump grabbing the wheel of the limo does not prove an insurrection was in play. Our democracy is not threatened by an angered president staining a wall with ketchup after tossing some china in frustration.

The J-6 Commission has also exposed itself as inept as a result of yesterday's testimony. The presence of guns as described is said to be a bombshell revelation, but how are Hutchinson's words of hearsay regarded as so trenchant and important today? It means that after a full year of investigation – with copious hours of video footage from security cameras, cell phones, and police body cams – no one had previously picked up on all these guns at the scene before yesterday.

Instead of delivering hard proof, as claimed, this leads only to more questions. Why was no one with visible weapons arrested, as they were violating the open-carry law in D.C.? How would the president have been permitted to give his speech with guns present in the area? And how is any of this fresh news coming out from an assistant inside the White House when no one else actually on scene gave no such report?

As for Hutchinson's account of the limousine ride, this is deeply flawed testimony as well. Again, she was not in attendance, so already, there are issues with her tale. Then you have her mislabeling the vehicle in question; she declared repeatedly Trump was riding in The Beast when that day he was in the Presidential Limo. Say this is nitpicking if you like, but this is a woman giving a third-hand account from over a year prior and getting a significant detail wrong.

That her account has been boldly disputed across the news spectrum, including by our own Julio Rosas last night, is just the start of the problems. Why is it that this supposedly serious committee rushed Hutchinson out before the cameras in this fashion? When the agents and the Secret Service are willing to go public with a disputed version of events, it exposes the show trial dramatics at play with this outfit...

Instead of delivering hard proof, as claimed, this leads only to more questions. Why was no one with visible weapons arrested, as they were violating the open-carry law in D.C.? How would the president have been permitted to give his speech with guns present in the area? And how is any of this fresh news coming out from an assistant inside the White House when no one else actually on scene gave no such report? ...


 

Now, the press is raising a woman to mythic status who has no firsthand knowledge of the details and is being disputed by the agents involved. Another issue is that this new evidence that Hutchinson brought to light exposes ineptitude on the part of the committee. After a year of supposedly serious and intense investigating, they completely missed these supposedly important details delivered by this supposedly vital witness – so important that there was no need to seek out corroboration from those directly involved or witnessing the events.

In a way, it might be said this does end up becoming a bombshell testimony. It is looking more like something that blows up in the face of those on the committee and members of the press. "

https://townhall.com/columnists/bradsla ... p=27793684
 

TB7 » 29 Jun 2022, 5:21 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2022, 5:21 am

EXCELLENT ARTICLE RK.....On Tuesday, Liz Cheney and the sham Jan. 6 committee brought in Mark Meadows staffer Cassidy Hutchinson as a “surprise witness.”Young Cassidy testified that “she was told” that as then-President Donald Trump was being driven back to the White House after the Jan. 6 rally that he demanded to be taken to the Capitol and tried to grab the steering wheel from a Secret Service agent. Hutchinson said Trump got into “the beast” after his speech at the Ellipse on January 6 with the belief that he would be driven to the Capitol.

 Hutchinson said Trump traveled in “The Beast” over to the Ellipse that day.But Trump was in the Presidential SUV not “The Beast.”

According to Hutchinson, who received this information from Tony Ornato, the Assistant Director for the Secret Service, Trump grew angry after he was informed that he was being driven back to the West Wing.

PUT Tony Ornato on the stand

  A source close to the Secret Service tells me both Bobby Engel, the lead agent, and the presidential limousine/SUV driver are prepared to testify under oath that neither man was assaulted and that Mr. Trump never lunged for the steering wheel.
6:24 PM · Jun 28, 2022  

https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status ... ubpoena%2F
 

Zeets2 » 29 Jun 2022, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2022, 9:45 am

****!  "First hand account" would have required HER to be IN THE VEHICLE in order to witness the **** she was told to say, AND SHE WASN'T THERE!
All that being "under oath" means is that she's telling the truth that someone told her lies that the Secret Service has denied as being true, and you gullible morons swallow it like your daily quiche!

****, indeed.  Hutchinson did not report what happened in the vehicle.  She reported what she was told by those who were in the vehicle when it happened, what happened in the vehicle.  Her testimony was that she was in an office with Trump Deputy Chief of Staff (and former Secret Service Agent) Tony Ornato and Bobby Engel who was the Secret Service Team leader for Donald Trump. 

Her testimony was that Ornato said to her, "Did you hear what **** went down in The Beast?"  "No"

And then Hutchingson testified...

Deputy Chief of Staff Tony Ornato told Hutchinson that when the president got into his limo, he believed he was being taken to the Capitol in an "off-the-record movement," Hutchinson said Secret Service agent Bobby Engel then informed Trump he couldn't go to the Capitol because it was not secure, she added.But "the president had a very strong, very angry response to that. Tony described him as being irate," Hutchinson went on. "The president said something to the effect of, 'I'm the effing president, take me up to the Capitol now.""Bobby responded, 'Sir, we have to go back to the West Wing,'" the ex-aide continued. "The president reached up toward the front of the vehicle to grab at the steering wheel. Mr. Engel grabbed his arm and said, 'Sir, you need to take your hand off the steering wheel. We're going back to the West Wing. We're not going to the Capitol.' Mr. Trump then used his free hand to lunge towards Bobby Engel and when Mr. Ornato recounted this story to me, he motioned toward his clavicles."

After this testimony, Cheney very specifically asked Hutchinson if Engle corrected or challenged anything that Ornato was reporting to her in that meeting, or if either had come to her later to correct or change anything that Ornato reported in that meeting.  Hutchinson said they had not. 

And note, that along with so much other **** that Trump pulled while his oozing rectal orifice was in the big chair behind the big desk in the Oval Office, that this ride he wanted to take, to join his mob over at the Capitol was an "OTR" movement.  An off-the record movement.  Nobody was supposed to know that.

This is not hearsay.  This is Hutchinson testifying as to a conversation she had with Ornato and Engle and what Ornato had reported in that conversation.  That is not hearsay.
 
 

IkeBana » 30 Jun 2022, 8:18 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2022, 8:18 am

****, indeed.  Hutchinson did not report what happened in the vehicle.  She reported what she was told by those who were in the vehicle when it happened, what happened in the vehicle.  Her testimony was that she was in an office with Trump Deputy Chief of Staff (and former Secret Service Agent) Tony Ornato and Bobby Engel who was the Secret Service Team leader for Donald Trump. 

Her testimony was that Ornato said to her, "Did you hear what **** went down in The Beast?"  "No"

And then Hutchingson testified...

After this testimony, Cheney very specifically asked Hutchinson if Engle corrected or challenged anything that Ornato was reporting to her in that meeting, or if either had come to her later to correct or change anything that Ornato reported in that meeting.  Hutchinson said they had not. 

And note, that along with so much other **** that Trump pulled while his oozing rectal orifice was in the big chair behind the big desk in the Oval Office, that this ride he wanted to take, to join his mob over at the Capitol was an "OTR" movement.  An off-the record movement.  Nobody was supposed to know that.

This is not hearsay.  This is Hutchinson testifying as to a conversation she had with Ornato and Engle and what Ornato had reported in that conversation.  That is not hearsay.

Shouldn't the dems go back to doing the job they were elected to do?  The J6 hearings won't help them in November.

roadkill » 30 Jun 2022, 8:22 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2022, 8:22 am

Shouldn't the dems go back to doing the job they were elected to do?  The J6 hearings won't help them in November.

Since you're quoting my post, shouldn't you make a comment that challenges something in my post...rather than another Tucker Carlson braindead tee vee talking point?

And listen Carnac, your brainfart prediction of what will come of these hearings is a **** pathetic joke.
 

IkeBana » 30 Jun 2022, 8:34 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2022, 8:34 am

Since you're quoting my post, shouldn't you make a comment that challenges something in my post...rather than another Tucker Carlson braindead tee vee talking point?

And listen Carnac, your brainfart prediction of what will come of these hearings is a **** pathetic joke.

What's the real reason yer upset? Even outside of politics I'll bet yer pissing and moaning about something.  

roadkill » 30 Jun 2022, 8:36 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2022, 8:36 am

What's the real reason yer upset? Even outside of politics I'll bet yer pissing and moaning about something.

Ike is upset that it doesn't look like they've got him now..... and he had such high hopes...

 


 

Jantje_Smit » 30 Jun 2022, 9:00 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2022, 9:00 am

Ike is upset that it doesn't look like they've got him now..... and he had such high hopes...

Yes...they are obsessed with someone who is not in office and run from any questions about Biden.


It's no wonder Ike is angry.   

Blackvegetable » 29 Jun 2022, 5:10 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2022, 5:10 pm

All the parties to the conversation have already been deposed.

If so, somebody did a piss poor job.

Huey » 30 Jun 2022, 9:09 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2022, 9:09 am

If so, somebody did a piss poor job.

It's the optics Bv hypes...not the facts.

roadkill » 30 Jun 2022, 9:12 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2022, 9:12 am

It's the optics Bv hypes...not the facts.

He is the perfect example of the ploy politicians and media use to sway guys like him.  Once something is out there, true or not, that is what people with no critical thinking skills will believe and remember.

At this point it doesn’t matter if the agents testify.  

Huey » 30 Jun 2022, 9:14 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2022, 9:14 am

He is the perfect example of the ploy politicians and media use to sway guys like him.  Once something is out there, true or not, that is what people with no critical thinking skills will believe and remember.

At this point it doesn’t matter if the agents testify.

And the voters don't care about J6.

At this hearing..have they shown a video compilation of....

The 5 people they claimed 100s of times were killed by MAGA...?

The 140 Cops they endlessly claimed were injured badly enough to require medical attention...?

This hearing was their GOLDEN OPPORTUNITY for them to back up these claims..so I assume they put PROOF of these claims out there front and center...right..?

Oh yeah.. there was also a bomb that they claimed was planted by MAGA. Were they sure to enter that as evidence of "insurrection" too...?

Blackvegetable » 29 Jun 2022, 5:10 pm » wrote: ↑

29 Jun 2022, 5:10 pm

All the parties to the conversation have already been deposed.

They must not have been deposed:

Secret Service officials: Agents willing to dispute Trump SUV incident under oath
Newsroom

Officials from the US Secret Service have announced that Tony Ornato and Bobby Engel, the agents named in Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony, are willing to testify before the Jan. 6 committee and dispute Hutchinson's account of an alleged incident involving then-President Trump. CNN's Josh Campbell has more.
 

Huey » 30 Jun 2022, 9:33 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2022, 9:33 am

They must not have been deposed:

Secret Service officials: Agents willing to dispute Trump SUV incident under oath
Newsroom

Officials from the US Secret Service have announced that Tony Ornato and Bobby Engel, the agents named in Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony, are willing to testify before the Jan. 6 committee and dispute Hutchinson's account of an alleged incident involving then-President Trump. CNN's Josh Campbell has more.

Bv wants everyone to follow his narrative.

Huey » 30 Jun 2022, 9:33 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2022, 9:33 am

They must not have been deposed:

Secret Service officials: Agents willing to dispute Trump SUV incident under oath
Newsroom

Officials from the US Secret Service have announced that Tony Ornato and Bobby Engel, the agents named in Cassidy Hutchinson's testimony, are willing to testify before the Jan. 6 committee and dispute Hutchinson's account of an alleged incident involving then-President Trump. CNN's Josh Campbell has more.

Anthony Guglielmi, the service’s chief of communications, told POLITICO that select committee investigators did not ask Secret Service personnel to reappear or answer questions in writing in the 10 days before asking Hutchinson about the matter at the hearing.

Blackvegetable » 30 Jun 2022, 10:11 am » wrote: ↑

30 Jun 2022, 10:11 am

Anthony Guglielmi, the service’s chief of communications, told POLITICO that select committee investigators did not ask Secret Service personnel to reappear or answer questions in writing in the 10 days before asking Hutchinson about the matter at the hearing.

So?  Who said they were?  nice reframe.

Then that means they were not deposed, or a piss poor job was done, or worse it was known but the show committee kept it quiet.  You make the call.