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Do human rights exist without God?
Do human rights exist without God?
By Neo
3 Jul 2022 2:21 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
3 Jul 2022 3:08 pm
...wtf do (((((YOU))))) 'produce', @sshole....Neo » 03 Jul 2022, 2:54 pm » wrote: ↑ Without divinity humanity has little worth, individuals have almost none. 7 billion resource consuming human beings, most of them taking more than they produce. I can see why environmental alarmism has replaced religion for progressives.
...[if i may cut through your republicrat-level drivel
, you 'measure' 'value' in something you call 'dollars'...something about which, fundametally, you are a butt-ignoramus...word...] 
3 Jul 2022 3:10 pm
Neo » 03 Jul 2022, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑ We base our understanding and grant recognition of rights to fellow human beings as persons created in the image of God. Inalienable rights granted by the creator. Without that recognition do people have Inalienable rights? Is there an agnostic reason competing humans have to respect one another?
Humans are warlike.....since it all started we've been at war with something or someone. Tolerance will get you squat in the real world....the effeminates have somehow convinced mankind that a "man in a dress" is normal....and not going along with them is criminal
3 Jul 2022 3:11 pm
sootedupCyndi » 03 Jul 2022, 3:06 pm » wrote: ↑ I dont know TAIPAN.. you got a truck?
My 2005 Chevy car is a lemon.. due to pick it up wedsday for an exhaust pipe and a mufler? 500 in maine? maybe? seems kind of steep to me for this area..
but then again.. i haven't put an exhaust on a car in years???
Who is the wisest problem-solver in town??
Mam,
I am willing to bet my hard-earned money........ on you.
3 Jul 2022 3:13 pm
Taipan » 03 Jul 2022, 3:11 pm » wrote: ↑ Who is the wisest problem-solver in town??
Mam,
I am willing to bet my hard-earned money........ on you.
3 Jul 2022 3:15 pm
thanks.. because some- one is speading rumors i'm a man. LOLOLTaipan » 03 Jul 2022, 3:11 pm » wrote: ↑ Who is the wisest problem-solver in town??
Mam,
I am willing to bet my hard-earned money........ on you.
3 Jul 2022 3:15 pm
OF COURSE HUMANS HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS! NO **** FAKE DEITY IS NECESSARY!Neo » 03 Jul 2022, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑ We base our understanding and grant recognition of rights to fellow human beings as persons created in the image of God. Inalienable rights granted by the creator. Without that recognition do people have Inalienable rights? Is there an agnostic reason competing humans have to respect one another?
3 Jul 2022 3:15 pm
All animals are basically "lazy"'nefarious101 » 03 Jul 2022, 3:10 pm » wrote: ↑ Humans are warlike.....since it all started we've been at war with something or someone. Tolerance will get you squat in the real world....the effeminates have somehow convinced mankind that a "man in a dress" is normal....and not going along with them is criminal
We want to survive while conserving whatever wealth / survival assets we spent our limited energy to produce.
War is fought over by those who wish to take from others this sort of wealth..or else capability to produce this wealth.
This basic fact of life is totally lost on our effeminately raised SNOWFLAKE GENERATION.
3 Jul 2022 3:16 pm
I brought this up when citizens united gave ersatz human rights to corporations. My argument was that rights come from God, and that a discrete number of rights exist on the earth at any given moment. That number can be expressed in a simple equation:Neo » 03 Jul 2022, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑ We base our understanding and grant recognition of rights to fellow human beings as persons created in the image of God. Inalienable rights granted by the creator. Without that recognition do people have Inalienable rights? Is there an agnostic reason competing humans have to respect one another?
The number of rights God grants human beings, times the number of human beings.
That^, my argument reasoned, is the number of rights on the planet at any moment in time. The only way to give corporations rights, therefore, is to first take those rights from humans.
I stand by that argument. Most of the board's rat wingers argued against me. Not gonna name any names, because I don't know @Huey's name. The arguments he made against me were just EMBARRASING. Lucky for him, they are gone with the wind.
Clem, of course, likewise pandered for wall street.
When you complain, your friends roll their eyes and your enemies smile
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
3 Jul 2022 3:17 pm
No. Atheists relax under the thin veneer of civility engendered by theological beliefs. There is no secular justification for the recognition of individual human rights.supraTruth » 03 Jul 2022, 3:15 pm » wrote: ↑ OF COURSE HUMANS HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS! NO **** FAKE DEITY IS NECESSARY!
3 Jul 2022 3:20 pm
Neo » 03 Jul 2022, 3:17 pm » wrote: ↑ No. Atheists relax under the thin veneer of civility engendered by theological beliefs. There is no secular justification for the recognition of individual human rights.
****! Humans owe it to themselves to protect their human rights!
3 Jul 2022 3:22 pm
So might makes right?supraTruth » 03 Jul 2022, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑****! Humans owe it to themselves to protect their human rights!
3 Jul 2022 3:23 pm
Empathy.Neo » 03 Jul 2022, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑ We base our understanding and grant recognition of rights to fellow human beings as persons created in the image of God. Inalienable rights granted by the creator. Without that recognition do people have Inalienable rights? Is there an agnostic reason competing humans have to respect one another?
You hurt yourself or have something precious stolen, you begin to realize that same hurt/suffering affects others.
What people choose to do with that information is tempered by their conscience.
Same thing with joy and esteem. You experience it for yourself and you can dole it out to others in some way.
This is basically built into our social structure. Judges sense remorse or lack thereof in sentencing, for example.
Remorse can be a perfect indicator of empathy.
I happen to agree with the saying:
The opposite of love is not hate. It's indifference.
IOW complete lack of empathy.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
3 Jul 2022 3:24 pm
Hate requires empathy.DeezerShoove » 03 Jul 2022, 3:23 pm » wrote: ↑ Empathy.
You hurt yourself or have something precious stolen, you begin to realize that same hurt/suffering affects others.
What people choose to do with that information is tempered by their conscience.
Same thing with joy and esteem. You experience it for yourself and you can dole it out to others in some way.
This is basically built into our social structure. Judges sense remorse or lack thereof in sentencing, for example.
Remorse can be a perfect indicator of empathy.
I happen to agree with the saying:
The opposite of love is not hate. It's indifference.
IOW complete lack of empathy.
3 Jul 2022 3:25 pm
Bear in mind the Constitution does not exist without the Declaration of Indenpendence, and exists EXCLUSIVELY for the purpose of codifying the Declaration into law. The opening line of the Declaration makes it an indisputable precept of American jurisprudence that all men are endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights.GHETTOBLASTER » 03 Jul 2022, 2:56 pm » wrote: ↑ Neo....I have no religious faith but I believe in a SUPER-NATURAL CREATOR.
That being said, I have an innate sense of what is fair...and what is fair are my BASIC HUMAN RIGHTS[/b]
OUR CONSTITUTION is the greatest document that men have ever devised to put these basic human rights into law.
In 1964 something very un-Constitutional happened ....
The CIVIL RIGHTS ACT actually grants "rights" to people who never earned them and it removes my Natural Basic Human Right to not associate with people I do not like.
So the PHILOSOPHICAL question may remain unanswered for some, but the legal question is answered for all (except huey and clem, who never attended law school): Rights come for God. I don't write the laws - I just remind people of them when it suits me.
When you complain, your friends roll their eyes and your enemies smile
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not your friend
An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
3 Jul 2022 3:28 pm
We were talking about Citizens United. And my comments were specific to that topic.Cannonpointer » 03 Jul 2022, 3:16 pm » wrote: ↑ I brought this up when citizens united gave ersatz human rights to corporations. My argument was that rights come from God, and that a discrete number of rights exist on the earth at any given moment. That number can be expressed in a simple equation:
The number of rights God grants human beings, times the number of human beings.
That^, my argument reasoned, is the number of rights on the planet at any moment in time. The only way to give corporations rights, therefore, is to first take those rights from humans.
I stand by that argument. Most of the board's rat wingers argued against me. Not gonna name any names, because I don't know @Huey's name. The arguments he made against me were just EMBARRASING. Lucky for him, they are gone with the wind.
Clem, of course, likewise pandered for wall street.
I have never argued against our rights coming from god.
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3 Jul 2022 3:29 pm
No, RIGHTS MAKE RIGHTS!
3 Jul 2022 3:30 pm
Neo » 03 Jul 2022, 2:54 pm » wrote: ↑ Without divinity humanity has little worth, individuals have almost none. 7 billion resource consuming human beings, most of them taking more than they produce. I can see why environmental alarmism has replaced religion for progressives.
This Planet can support 50 Billion without even going into the Sea
3 Jul 2022 3:32 pm
The **** guy is a dufus.Vegas » 03 Jul 2022, 3:07 pm » wrote: ↑ You forgot to mention how stooooooooopid the world is for not knowing where money comes from or how it gets its value.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
3 Jul 2022 3:33 pm
Tell the the North Koreans.supraTruth » 03 Jul 2022, 3:15 pm » wrote: ↑ OF COURSE HUMANS HAVE HUMAN RIGHTS! NO **** FAKE DEITY IS NECESSARY!
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
3 Jul 2022 3:34 pm
NO, RIGHTS COME FROM HUMANS! NO GOD EVER WROTE THEM DOWN, EVER! GOD WAS AN INVENTION OF MEN WHO HAD NOT YET UNDERSTOOD ANY OF THE FUNDAMENTALS OF SCIENCE!Cannonpointer » 03 Jul 2022, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑ Bear in mind the Constitution does not exist without the Declaration of Indenpendence, and exists EXCLUSIVELY for the purpose of codifying the Declaration into law. The opening line of the Declaration makes it an indisputable precept of American jurisprudence that all men are endowed by their Creator with inalienable rights.
So the PHILOSOPHICAL question may remain unanswered for some, but the legal question is answered for all (except huey and clem, who never attended law school): Rights come for God. I don't write the laws - I just remind people of them when it suits me.
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