Do human rights exist without God?

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By Neo
3 Jul 2022 2:21 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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Holdor
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nefarious101 » 03 Jul 2022, 3:53 pm » wrote: Iroquois
  • Government Structure The Iroquois Confederation was governed by a Grand Council of fifty chiefs: the Onondaga sent fourteen chiefs to the council, the Cayuga, ten, the Oneida and Mohawk, nine each, and the Seneca, eight. The Tuscarora were nonvoting members.
Yes you are correct it was the Iroquois
 
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Holdor » 03 Jul 2022, 3:42 pm » wrote: The Constitution was a lot based on the Cherokee Confederation Government.
What strain are you smoking? The Cherokee and other native tribes supported the British during the revolution. We wouldn't crib from losers. 
 
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3 Jul 2022 4:01 pm
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Cannonpointer » 03 Jul 2022, 3:16 pm » wrote: I brought this up when citizens united gave ersatz human rights to corporations. My argument was that rights come from God, and that a discrete number of rights exist on the earth at any given moment. That number can be expressed in a simple equation:

The number of rights God grants human beings, times the number of human beings. 

That^, my argument reasoned, is the number of rights on the planet at any moment in time. The only way to give corporations rights, therefore, is to first take those rights from humans. 

I stand by that argument. Most of the board's rat wingers argued against me. Not gonna name any names, because I don't know @Huey's  name. The arguments he made against me were just EMBARRASING. Lucky for him, they are gone with the wind. Image

Clem, of course, likewise pandered for wall street.

Wait a minute.
I thought you were "agnostic". ?
Am I wrong?

Why don't you get off the fence, **** ??

What are your true religious beliefs ??
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Neo » 03 Jul 2022, 3:58 pm » wrote: What strain are you smoking? The Cherokee and other native tribes supported the British during the revolution. We wouldn't crib from losers.
I have not smoked pot in months, but I have a very large bud in a jar, I think I will take 3 hits, 4th Of July Weekend, YE HAW



I was mistaken it was the Iroquois 
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3 Jul 2022 4:03 pm
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Taipan » 03 Jul 2022, 4:01 pm » wrote: Wait a minute.
I thought you were "agnostic". ?
Am I wrong?

Why don't you get off the fence, **** ??

What are your true religious beliefs ??

Agnostics will believe in God if you show them Proof of God.
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3 Jul 2022 4:05 pm
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Holdor » 03 Jul 2022, 4:01 pm » wrote: I have not smoked pot in months, but I have a very large bud in a jar, I think I will take 3 hits, 4th Of July Weekend, YE HAW

I was mistaken it was the Iroquois

What if I both of us sided with the Iroquois??
Would that make the Angels smile ?                                            
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Neo » 03 Jul 2022, 2:21 pm » wrote: We base our understanding and grant recognition of rights to fellow human beings as persons created in the image of God. Inalienable rights granted by the creator. Without that recognition do people have Inalienable rights? Is there an agnostic reason competing humans have to respect one another?
Have you noted that when God appears to people, he does not take any image that is even vaguely human?  He appears to Moses as burning shrubbery, He appears to Solomon in a dream, he tends to send one of more angels rather than appear himself.

We should respect one another simply because it is the decent thing to do. It is rather strange that the Founding Fathers claimed they has God-given inalienable rights to pass their own laws, but that somehow the same God did not have any inalienable rights to give to their slaves.

Most of the people of Scandinavia do not believe in God, and they treat one another very politely. They hardly ever shoot one another. So one can easily conclude that  God is not entirely necessary for humans to have rights and to live in harmony with other humans.
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3 Jul 2022 4:08 pm
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Taipan » 03 Jul 2022, 4:05 pm » wrote: What if I both of us sided with the Iroquois??
Would that make the Angels smile ?                                            
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The first WHITE settlers to the USA learned a lot from the Natives.
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Holdor » 03 Jul 2022, 3:40 pm » wrote: Is MTV still on TV?

One too many time wasting, subject changing, GAY LITTLE BITCH CHIT CHAT **** POSTS from you.
Back you go on IGNORE STATUS.
You clearly are JUNIOR VARSITY MATERIAL who will never be  ready for THE VARSITY.
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I have 9,997 Angels, I lost 3 in a war years ago.
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Xavier_Onassis » 03 Jul 2022, 4:07 pm » wrote: Have you noted that when God appears to people, he does not take any image that is even vaguely human?  He appears to Moses as burning shrubbery, He appears to Solomon in a dream, he tends to send one of more angels rather than appear himself.

We should respect one another simply because it is the decent thing to do. It is rather strange that the Founding Fathers claimed they has God-given inalienable rights to pass their own laws, but that somehow the same God did not have any inalienable rights to give to their slaves.

Most of the people of Scandinavia do not believe in God, and they treat one another very politely. They hardly ever shoot one another. So one can easily conclude that  God is not entirely necessary for humans to have rights and to live in harmony with other humans.
Slaves had rights. Africans were considered subhuman. It wasn't their slave status, which whites could enter into, it was their ethnicity. 
 
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3 Jul 2022 4:12 pm
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GHETTOBLASTER » 03 Jul 2022, 4:08 pm » wrote: One too many time wasting, subject changing, GAY LITTLE BITCH CHIT CHAT **** POSTS from you.
Back you go on IGNORE STATUS.
You clearly are JUNIOR VARSITY MATERIAL who will never be  ready for THE VARSITY.

But I LOVE YOU, dont you want to have my Baby?
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3 Jul 2022 4:14 pm
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GHETTOBLASTER » 03 Jul 2022, 4:08 pm » wrote: One too many time wasting, subject changing, GAY LITTLE BITCH CHIT CHAT **** POSTS from you.
Back you go on IGNORE STATUS.
You clearly are JUNIOR VARSITY MATERIAL who will never be  ready for THE VARSITY.
If I can not get you Pregnant by **** you in the Mouth, We can look for Other ways.
 
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Cannonpointer » 03 Jul 2022, 3:43 pm » wrote: I think the title is spot on. It addresses the issue raised.
My Human Rights exist with or without GOD.
Our  Christian Forefathers  experienced first hand what life was like without them and that is why our Basic Human Rights exist on paper.
 
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Holdor » 03 Jul 2022, 4:08 pm » wrote: The first WHITE settlers to the USA learned a lot from the Natives.


My Tribe......the White Tribe.....is the strongest of all tribes.
We will not apologize for our strength.

Do you wish to fuss ?

https://youtu.be/rvnusU7OWVk
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3 Jul 2022 4:19 pm
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Taipan » 03 Jul 2022, 4:15 pm » wrote: My Tribe......the White Tribe.....is the strongest of all tribes.
We will not apologize for our strength.

Do you wish to fuss ?

https://youtu.be/rvnusU7OWVk

There are 2 Billion Plus Black Africans, 1.6Billion Chinese, 1.2 Billion Indian, 1 Billion Asian Not Chinese, and 350 Million Caucasian on Earth.

Who is the Minority?
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Huey » 03 Jul 2022, 3:55 pm » wrote: Corporations and Unions are comprised of people.

THERE ya go, pookie. Disembodied facts!

The mafia is "composed of people." Do we give it rights? :clap:   :rofl:   :rofl:  
When you complain, your friends roll their eyes and your enemies smile

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You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

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Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge

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Taipan » 03 Jul 2022, 4:01 pm » wrote: Wait a minute.
I thought you were "agnostic". ?
Am I wrong?

Why don't you get off the fence, **** ??

What are your true religious beliefs ??
I belong to Nunya. 
When you complain, your friends roll their eyes and your enemies smile

"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not your friend

An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge

If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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GHETTOBLASTER » 03 Jul 2022, 4:15 pm » wrote: My Human Rights exist with or without GOD.
Our  Christian Forefathers  experienced first hand what life was like without them and that is why our Basic Human Rights exist on paper.
You're telling my why - I'm telling you HOW.

"Ordained by God" - American jurisprudence.
 
When you complain, your friends roll their eyes and your enemies smile

"Because I SAY I am" is fallacy, not science

You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.

Who cuts off your dick is not your friend

An opinion you won't defend is not yours. It's someone else's

Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe

When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge

If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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Holdor » 03 Jul 2022, 4:14 pm » wrote: If I can not get you Pregnant by **** you in the Mouth, We can look for Other ways.
SO SEZ THE  GAY LITTLE BITCH WITH TWO RIVERS OF HIV INFECTED DIARRHEA RUNNING DOWN HIS LEGS...!!!

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