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@Skans  I would like to propose an experiment to resolve this issue, once and forever. 

Let's take a 1000s pedos, replicate a concentration camp like the Nazis had, then repeat the gassing process exactly the way they did it. Then we can see what happens. 

The problem is that the dimocrats would fight this since they are trying to normalize pedophilia. 

Xavier_Onassis » 07 Jul 2022, 12:46 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 12:46 pm

My guess is that Eichmann gave the 10.3 million figure because that was the estimated number of all Jews in Europe.
The Germans did keep records, and from all reports, were quite good about it


 

Could be.  But, that is speculation on your part.  My only point was that in the recording, Eichmann did not claim the Germans killed 10.3 Million Jews.  The Germans did keep good records up to a point.  But, when they were trying to kill off all of the Jews in camps, they weren't keeping good records of that.

Vegas » 07 Jul 2022, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 12:57 pm

I'll ask again. How were they able to gas to death 800-1200 people in 20 minutes, when it takes us 10-18 minutes to gas one person to death?

Are you freaking dense???  Bigger gas chamber.  More gas.    
 

Skans » 07 Jul 2022, 1:44 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 1:44 pm

Are you freaking dense???  Bigger gas chamber.  More gas.  

Irrelevant. The potency and proportion are the same.

When it became clear in early 1945 that the war was lost and that the Allies would soon be closing in on the Reich, the officers in charge of the camps accelerated their extermination plans. The feeling among many of these death camp officials was that even if the Third Reich did not last for a thousand years, it COULD at LEAST rid Europe of a very large number of Jews. There was an accelerated plan to exterminate Hungarian Jews at that time. When the allies closed in, those Germans who did not desert led all the prisoners who could march off along the railroads. There is a description of this in the second volume of Al Spiegelmann's "Maus".

Xavier_Onassis » 07 Jul 2022, 1:47 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 1:47 pm

When it became clear in early 1945 that the war was lost and that the Allies would soon be closing in on the Reich, the officers in charge of the camps accelerated their extermination plans. The feeling among many of these death camp officials was that even if the Third Reich did not last for a thousand years, it COULD at LEAST rid Europe of a very large number of Jews. There was an accelerated plan to exterminate Hungarian Jews at that time. When the allies closed in, those Germans who did not desert led all the prisoners who could march off along the railroads. There is a description of this in the second volume of Al Spiegelmann's "Maus".

I assume that in th final days of the camps, recordkeeping was pretty sketchy. But I was not there.  There is ample documentation, however. I dobt that all of it has been translated to English.
 

 

Vegas » 07 Jul 2022, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 1:29 pm

@Skans  I would like to propose an experiment to resolve this issue, once and forever. 

Let's take a 1000s pedos, replicate a concentration camp like the Nazis had, then repeat the gassing process exactly the way they did it. Then we can see what happens. 

The problem is that the dimocrats would fight this since they are trying to normalize pedophilia.

Sounds great to me.  BUT, you gotta get that big 'ol burn barrel red-hot first!  I usually try and use pine sap wood, hard wood and old kitchen oil/grease to get it kickstarted.
 

Xavier_Onassis » 07 Jul 2022, 1:26 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 1:26 pm

Why do you insist on boring everyone with the ******* photo of Kim Jung Un week after week?

Because I know it irritates the Communists...like you.       

Skans » 07 Jul 2022, 2:12 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 2:12 pm

Sounds great to me.  BUT, you gotta get that big 'ol burn barrel red-hot first!  I usually try and use pine sap wood, hard wood and old kitchen oil/grease to get it kickstarted.

Sounds good. I'll work on trying to get Maxwell's list. The DOD sure as hell isn't going to get it...their agents are probably on the list. 

Vegas » 07 Jul 2022, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 12:57 pm

I'll ask again. How were they able to gas to death 800-1200 people in 20 minutes, when it takes us 10-18 minutes to gas one person to death?

This is the stupidest crap ever.

We KNOW they were gassing jews on an industrial scale. In that context, current "civilian" performance parameters don't apply, just as in the case of crematoria.

I bet your uncle wonders aloud why you weren't aborted.


 

Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 3:28 pm

This is the stupidest crap ever.

We KNOW they were gassing jews on an industrial scale. In that context, current "civilian" performance parameters don't apply, just as in the case of crematoria.

I bet your uncle wonders aloud why you weren't aborted.

You don't know anything. You give no evidence and as usual, you didn't answer the question. The 'civilian parameters' are irrelevant when talking about physics and mechanics. 

kill yourself. 

Vegas » 07 Jul 2022, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 3:36 pm

You don't know anything. You give no evidence and as usual, you didn't answer the question. The 'civilian parameters' are irrelevant when talking about physics and mechanics. 

kill yourself.

Post your evidence 

Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 3:38 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 3:38 pm

Post your evidence

Oh for God sakes. I posted it to Skans. Find it. Now **** off!

Vegas » 07 Jul 2022, 3:41 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 3:41 pm

Oh for God sakes. I posted it to Skans. Find it. Now **** off!

Your assertions 

Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 4:05 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 4:05 pm

Your assertions

I took it from a source of experts. Talk to them.

Vegas » 07 Jul 2022, 4:16 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 4:16 pm

I took it from a source of experts. Talk to them.

You'd have to identify them.

We all know how that goes.
 

Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 6:58 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 6:58 am

You're a fake.

You lack the gravitas to be a dilettante. 

Eichmann wasn't captured and tried at Nuremberg. 

He made these tapes in 1957; he was captured in 1960.

I did not say he was tried at Nuremberg. Duh. I told you HESS was the one who confessed at Nuremberg. Eichman escaped to brazil. But yes the mossad captured him

Skans » 07 Jul 2022, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 1:03 pm

I told you already.  They cram 1000 people  into a warehouse and pump a Zyklon B into it and people die very quickly.  

Now, ask yourself - does California use Zyklon B to execute its prisoners en masse?

That would not work. The room would need to be airtight.  Aushwitz 'gas chamber' is not.

There would need to be very complex venting systems to vent the gas out and dispose somewhere (at alcatraz when people were gassed there were often birds that died from the gas being vented...think about how difficult it would be to deal with venting enough gas to kill 1000 people a day for years...come on)

And it would take hours to hose doen all the bodies (with ammonia...something that was not transported en mass to the camps) before they were safe to be handled and transported to the ovens. 

The narrative simply does not add up from an engineering perspective for anyone with knowledge of gas chambers.

But because it is basically illegal to question the narrative,, engineers keep quiet.
 
them pf course you have the issue that there simply weren't enough crematoria to dispose of that many bodies...and there is no Prussian blue chemical reactions in the chamber...and countess other things which simply cannot be explained. 5he story is actually rather absurd
 
 
 

Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 4:25 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 4:25 pm

You'd have to identify them.

We all know how that goes.

Yeah, I didn't think you would bother to look at it. I gave the link. 

But, you know how you are with reading past 5 words of anything. Your laziness is not my problem. 

Various alleged witnesses claim that gas chamber executions at Auschwitz took anywhere from instantaneous to twenty minutes. However, the most reliable sources for determining how long a gassing took from start to finish would be the physicians who ordered and supervised the gassings. Four former physicians in Auschwitz have made statements in that regard. Their names are Dr. Hans Munch, Dr. Horst Fischer, Dr. Friedrich Entress, and Dr. johann Paul Kremer. One gives a time of 3 to 5 minutes; one gives a time of 2 to 5 minutes; one gives a time of 5 minutes; and one gives a time of "some minutes." Keep in mind that in U.S. execution chambers, it took 10 minutes to terminate a prisoner.

Now, according to Professor Dr. Fritz Habor, it takes twice the poison to kill in half the time. With U.S. executions, it took 10 minutes at 0.32% hydrogen cyanide per volume. That means that in order for the 5 minute time frame given for Auschwitz gas chambers to be plausible, a 0.64% hydrogen cyanide per volume would be required. The problem is that zyklon-B does not act at all like the cyanide powder mixed with sulphuric acid used in U.S. execution chambers where the bulk of the poison gas develops instantly. Zyklon-B was developed to release the poison slowly. This was done for two reasons. Firstly, to allow those who were spreading it around inside an area to have time to do so and then get out without being harmed. And secondly, to release the poison continuously for an hour or more, which was for the purpose of compensating for leakage and absorption in moisture. The hydrogen cyanide used for fumigation in the camps used gypsum as a carrier substance; analysis of zyklon-B left behind by German authorities at Auschwitz confirm this.

There was a paper written in 1942 that discusses how fast hydrogen cyanide evaporates from the gypsum carrier pellets. The author, Richard Irmscher, was a researcher who worked at developing and improving zyklon-B. A chart taken from Irmscher's paper shows how fast the hydrogen cyanide evaporates from the zyklon-B. It shows that, in 5 minutes at 15 degrees Celsius with the pellets spread out evenly as during delousing, 10% is released. Now, in a chamber packed with people, the temperature would have risen substantially, and the relative humidity would have been 100% in little time. The higher humidity would cause the condensation of moisture on the gypsum pellets. Hydrogen cyanide is so water soluble that once the carrier material is wet, the release of gas would be even slower.

Then we have a guy named David Cole who Interviewed Dr. Franciszek Piper who was the director of the Auschwitz State Museum. During that interview, Piper was asked why the residue count was high in the delousing chambers, but low in the homicidal chambers. He said the Zyklon B was operated a very short time, about 20 or 30 minutes during 24 hours, and in the disinfestation rooms it operated the whole day and night. Such was the procedure of using gas in the disinfestation rooms and gas chambers. That bespeaks one mass gassing per day. That contradicts eyewitness testimonies which speak of repeated homicidal gassings going on day and night. So, the question is: Could the high death rate at the camp have occurred if the gas chambers were used only twenty or thirty minutes during 24 hours as Piper claims they were?

The New York Times published an article about a book by Jean-Claude Pressac. The book was written to refute revisionists. New York Times writer Richard Bernstein writes that according to Pressac, "it would have been necessary for the extermination rooms to have been emptied of corpses and refilled with new victims every half hour or so, as would have been necessary for such a large number of victims."