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For Those Still Doubting That CC Erasmus, Vegas And Ghettoblaster Are Morons...
For Those Still Doubting That CC Erasmus, Vegas And Ghettoblaster Are Morons...
By Blackvegetable
6 Jul 2022 2:38 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
7 Jul 2022 5:11 pm
So, what we have here is a contradiction. It is claimed that limited use of the chambers explains the lack of residue. However, limited gassing contradicts eyewitnesses and makes the high gassing-death rate technically impossible. By attempting to support one part of the Holocaust story, Piper disproves another part.
Let's move on.
In a series of interviews with Shlomo Venezia, a survivor of the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, Venezia said that the Sonderkommando units were comprised of Jews who cleaned up the gas chambers after a group of prisoners had been murdered. After its personnel dragged the corpses out of the chamber--as Venezia states, this in and of itself was an extremely disturbing process, as it was initially difficult to disentangle the bodies--the room had to be cleaned. All traces of blood and excrement had to be washed away in order to present a clean, sterile, and hence worry-free environment to the next batch of victims. After completing this task, the men of the Sonderkommando then moved through the corpses, clipping hair or pulling out gold teeth before disposing of the bodies in industrial furnaces. The expertise that the Germans acquired in carrying out mass murder was soon passed on to the men manning the Sonderkommando units.
However, Bill Armontrout, was an expert witness at the second Ernst Zundel trial in Toronto. He was warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary, which includes an execution gas chamber. He said, "One of the things that cyanide gas does, it goes in the pores of your skin. You hose the body down, see. You have to use rubber gloves, and you hose the body down to decontaminate it before you do anything else."
In court, Armontrout testified to the safety precautions that were necessary to prevent those who handled the dead criminal's body from being poisoned by the deadly HCN themselves. He said, "The ventilation fan ran for approximately one hour before two officers equipped with Scott air-packs could open the hatch of the gas chamber and remove the lead bucket containing the cyanide residue. The two officers wore rubberized disposable clothing and long rubber gloves. They hosed down the condemned man's body in the chair, paying particular attention to the hair and the clothing because of the cyanide residue, then removed him and placed him on a gurney where further decontamination took place."
I trust I don't have to explain to you what this has to do with the story of the Sonderkommando units going in and handling bodies, clipping hair, etc. So you have a problem. If the Zyklon B was weak, and known to be slow in its release, then the mass-gassings could not have occurred as you have been taught. On the other hand, if the Zyklon B was adequate to the task, and quickly released (which it wasn't), then the testimonies of surviving Sonderkommandos are easily shown to be fictitious.
Let's move on.
In a series of interviews with Shlomo Venezia, a survivor of the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, Venezia said that the Sonderkommando units were comprised of Jews who cleaned up the gas chambers after a group of prisoners had been murdered. After its personnel dragged the corpses out of the chamber--as Venezia states, this in and of itself was an extremely disturbing process, as it was initially difficult to disentangle the bodies--the room had to be cleaned. All traces of blood and excrement had to be washed away in order to present a clean, sterile, and hence worry-free environment to the next batch of victims. After completing this task, the men of the Sonderkommando then moved through the corpses, clipping hair or pulling out gold teeth before disposing of the bodies in industrial furnaces. The expertise that the Germans acquired in carrying out mass murder was soon passed on to the men manning the Sonderkommando units.
However, Bill Armontrout, was an expert witness at the second Ernst Zundel trial in Toronto. He was warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary, which includes an execution gas chamber. He said, "One of the things that cyanide gas does, it goes in the pores of your skin. You hose the body down, see. You have to use rubber gloves, and you hose the body down to decontaminate it before you do anything else."
In court, Armontrout testified to the safety precautions that were necessary to prevent those who handled the dead criminal's body from being poisoned by the deadly HCN themselves. He said, "The ventilation fan ran for approximately one hour before two officers equipped with Scott air-packs could open the hatch of the gas chamber and remove the lead bucket containing the cyanide residue. The two officers wore rubberized disposable clothing and long rubber gloves. They hosed down the condemned man's body in the chair, paying particular attention to the hair and the clothing because of the cyanide residue, then removed him and placed him on a gurney where further decontamination took place."
I trust I don't have to explain to you what this has to do with the story of the Sonderkommando units going in and handling bodies, clipping hair, etc. So you have a problem. If the Zyklon B was weak, and known to be slow in its release, then the mass-gassings could not have occurred as you have been taught. On the other hand, if the Zyklon B was adequate to the task, and quickly released (which it wasn't), then the testimonies of surviving Sonderkommandos are easily shown to be fictitious.
7 Jul 2022 5:16 pm
There is an almost comical level of irony considering that even the people who believe the holocaust conspiracy theory admit that the nazis used zyklon B to kill LICE...and lice carry typhus...and typhus was ACTUALLY the biggest killers of jews in thr camps.
So nazis were actually trying to keep jews alive with the exact same chemical that retards pretend they were killing jews with.
And the nazis had meticulous records. They recorded exactly how many jews died in the camps.
In one bad typhus outbreak in auchwitz, 3000 jews died in a month. This overtaxed the crematoria and one broke down...taking months to get fixed (the same crematoria we are told had superpowers and could incinerate 1500 bodies a day).
Also dozens of jews died at auschwitz because the allies bombed the camp lol. And after that the nazis built a bunker at auschwitz...
To protect jews from allied bombers...
Think about this stuff man. Even the holocaust believers will admit these facts. And 5ell me if any of it adds up to you? It makes zero sense.
Why even Delouse the jews at all? If you are just gonna kill them? Why build them bunkers? Why give them a swimming pool?
Explain this lol
So nazis were actually trying to keep jews alive with the exact same chemical that retards pretend they were killing jews with.
And the nazis had meticulous records. They recorded exactly how many jews died in the camps.
In one bad typhus outbreak in auchwitz, 3000 jews died in a month. This overtaxed the crematoria and one broke down...taking months to get fixed (the same crematoria we are told had superpowers and could incinerate 1500 bodies a day).
Also dozens of jews died at auschwitz because the allies bombed the camp lol. And after that the nazis built a bunker at auschwitz...
To protect jews from allied bombers...
Think about this stuff man. Even the holocaust believers will admit these facts. And 5ell me if any of it adds up to you? It makes zero sense.
Why even Delouse the jews at all? If you are just gonna kill them? Why build them bunkers? Why give them a swimming pool?
Explain this lol
7 Jul 2022 5:28 pm
And really it is absurd to pretend the whole process of gassing people can be done in a few minutes. Even if we say it takes that long for a person to DIE...there is a huge process of introducing the gas (in a way that won't kill guards)...venting the gas (in a way that won't kill guards) and then making the bodies not hazardous for sonderkommandos to handle. THOSE 3 tasks would take a VERY LONG TIME.
Bear in mind that the gas chambers don't seem to be airtight, and the gas room was next to a furnace room...and hydrogen cyanide is explosive. Lol.
7 Jul 2022 6:12 pm
Bard » 07 Jul 2022, 5:10 pm » wrote: ↑ Various alleged witnesses claim that gas chamber executions at Auschwitz took anywhere from instantaneous to twenty minutes. However, the most reliable sources for determining how long a gassing took from start to finish would be the physicians who ordered and supervised the gassings. Four former physicians in Auschwitz have made statements in that regard. Their names are Dr. Hans Munch, Dr. Horst Fischer, Dr. Friedrich Entress, and Dr. johann Paul Kremer. One gives a time of 3 to 5 minutes; one gives a time of 2 to 5 minutes; one gives a time of 5 minutes; and one gives a time of "some minutes." Keep in mind that in U.S. execution chambers, it took 10 minutes to terminate a prisoner.
Now, according to Professor Dr. Fritz Habor, it takes twice the poison to kill in half the time. With U.S. executions, it took 10 minutes at 0.32% hydrogen cyanide per volume. That means that in order for the 5 minute time frame given for Auschwitz gas chambers to be plausible, a 0.64% hydrogen cyanide per volume would be required. The problem is that zyklon-B does not act at all like the cyanide powder mixed with sulphuric acid used in U.S. execution chambers where the bulk of the poison gas develops instantly. Zyklon-B was developed to release the poison slowly. This was done for two reasons. Firstly, to allow those who were spreading it around inside an area to have time to do so and then get out without being harmed. And secondly, to release the poison continuously for an hour or more, which was for the purpose of compensating for leakage and absorption in moisture. The hydrogen cyanide used for fumigation in the camps used gypsum as a carrier substance; analysis of zyklon-B left behind by German authorities at Auschwitz confirm this.
There was a paper written in 1942 that discusses how fast hydrogen cyanide evaporates from the gypsum carrier pellets. The author, Richard Irmscher, was a researcher who worked at developing and improving zyklon-B. A chart taken from Irmscher's paper shows how fast the hydrogen cyanide evaporates from the zyklon-B. It shows that, in 5 minutes at 15 degrees Celsius with the pellets spread out evenly as during delousing, 10% is released. Now, in a chamber packed with people, the temperature would have risen substantially, and the relative humidity would have been 100% in little time. The higher humidity would cause the condensation of moisture on the gypsum pellets. Hydrogen cyanide is so water soluble that once the carrier material is wet, the release of gas would be even slower.
Then we have a guy named David Cole who Interviewed Dr. Franciszek Piper who was the director of the Auschwitz State Museum. During that interview, Piper was asked why the residue count was high in the delousing chambers, but low in the homicidal chambers. He said the Zyklon B was operated a very short time, about 20 or 30 minutes during 24 hours, and in the disinfestation rooms it operated the whole day and night. Such was the procedure of using gas in the disinfestation rooms and gas chambers. That bespeaks one mass gassing per day. That contradicts eyewitness testimonies which speak of repeated homicidal gassings going on day and night. So, the question is: Could the high death rate at the camp have occurred if the gas chambers were used only twenty or thirty minutes during 24 hours as Piper claims they were?
The New York Times published an article about a book by Jean-Claude Pressac. The book was written to refute revisionists. New York Times writer Richard Bernstein writes that according to Pressac, "it would have been necessary for the extermination rooms to have been emptied of corpses and refilled with new victims every half hour or so, as would have been necessary for such a large number of victims."
I'd be interested to see a link for this.
7 Jul 2022 7:34 pm
United States General Dwight D. Eisenhower personally inspected several concentration and internment camps and sent for additional photographers and cinematographers to document what remained. When asked why Eisenhower purportedly said, “Because the day will come when some son of a bitch will say this never happened”.FOS » 07 Jul 2022, 4:49 pm » wrote: ↑ That would not work. The room would need to be airtight. Aushwitz 'gas chamber' is not.
There would need to be very complex venting systems to vent the gas out and dispose somewhere (at alcatraz when people were gassed there were often birds that died from the gas being vented...think about how difficult it would be to deal with venting enough gas to kill 1000 people a day for years...come on)
And it would take hours to hose doen all the bodies (with ammonia...something that was not transported en mass to the camps) before they were safe to be handled and transported to the ovens.
The narrative simply does not add up from an engineering perspective for anyone with knowledge of gas chambers.
But because it is basically illegal to question the narrative,, engineers keep quiet.
them pf course you have the issue that there simply weren't enough crematoria to dispose of that many bodies...and there is no Prussian blue chemical reactions in the chamber...and countess other things which simply cannot be explained. 5he story is actually rather absurd
https://alphahistory.com/holocaust/holocaust-denial/
7 Jul 2022 7:41 pm
Even if the gas chambers did in fact exist, according to Leuchter, only 278 people could be killed in one of them, and not 2 thousand. Furthermore, he claims that this could not be done every day, but rather once a week. According to Leuchter, it took a week to air out the gas chamber. This is a totally groundless assumption with no support either from experiments or from the historical sources. Regardless of the fact that the use of gas masks made it possible to start dragging the corpses out of the gas chamber only 20 to 30 minutes after the introduction of the gas, and that some of the gas chambers were equipped with mechanical ventilation, the claim that it took a week to air out a gas chamber is contradicted by extant regulations, issued by the camp administration, about the safety measures to be used during disinfection with Zyklon B. An order from the commandant on August 12, 1942 reminds SS men that they are forbidden to enter rooms being aired out after the use of Zyklon B for 5 hours.Bard » 07 Jul 2022, 5:11 pm » wrote: ↑ Let's move on.
In a series of interviews with Shlomo Venezia, a survivor of the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, Venezia said that the Sonderkommando units were comprised of Jews who cleaned up the gas chambers after a group of prisoners had been murdered. After its personnel dragged the corpses out of the chamber--as Venezia states, this in and of itself was an extremely disturbing process, as it was initially difficult to disentangle the bodies--the room had to be cleaned. All traces of blood and excrement had to be washed away in order to present a clean, sterile, and hence worry-free environment to the next batch of victims. After completing this task, the men of the Sonderkommando then moved through the corpses, clipping hair or pulling out gold teeth before disposing of the bodies in industrial furnaces. The expertise that the Germans acquired in carrying out mass murder was soon passed on to the men manning the Sonderkommando units.
However, Bill Armontrout, was an expert witness at the second Ernst Zundel trial in Toronto. He was warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary, which includes an execution gas chamber. He said, "One of the things that cyanide gas does, it goes in the pores of your skin. You hose the body down, see. You have to use rubber gloves, and you hose the body down to decontaminate it before you do anything else."
In court, Armontrout testified to the safety precautions that were necessary to prevent those who handled the dead criminal's body from being poisoned by the deadly HCN themselves. He said, "The ventilation fan ran for approximately one hour before two officers equipped with Scott air-packs could open the hatch of the gas chamber and remove the lead bucket containing the cyanide residue. The two officers wore rubberized disposable clothing and long rubber gloves. They hosed down the condemned man's body in the chair, paying particular attention to the hair and the clothing because of the cyanide residue, then removed him and placed him on a gurney where further decontamination took place."
I trust I don't have to explain to you what this has to do with the story of the Sonderkommando units going in and handling bodies, clipping hair, etc. So you have a problem. If the Zyklon B was weak, and known to be slow in its release, then the mass-gassings could not have occurred as you have been taught. On the other hand, if the Zyklon B was adequate to the task, and quickly released (which it wasn't), then the testimonies of surviving Sonderkommandos are easily shown to be fictitious.
https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/ho ... er-report/
7 Jul 2022 8:03 pm
You said concentration camps.Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 7:34 pm » wrote: ↑ United States General Dwight D. Eisenhower personally inspected several concentration and internment camps and sent for additional photographers and cinematographers to document what remained. When asked why Eisenhower purportedly said, “Because the day will come when some son of a bitch will say this never happened”.
https://alphahistory.com/holocaust/holocaust-denial/
Which we had in the usa also lol.
Show me the death camps.
7 Jul 2022 8:04 pm
Do you consider yourself smarter than. @Vegas ?FOS » 07 Jul 2022, 8:03 pm » wrote: ↑ You said concentration camps.
Which we had in the usa also lol.
Show me the death camps.
7 Jul 2022 8:06 pm
I don't give a ****. Smart isn't the question.
The question is whether the nazis used the most expensive, labor intensive, and hazardous method to kill massive numbers of jews.
Did that happen or not.
I say ****
7 Jul 2022 8:08 pm
But it is...so answer it.FOS » 07 Jul 2022, 8:06 pm » wrote: ↑ I don't give a ****. Smart isn't the question.
The question is whether the nazis used the most expensive, labor intensive, and hazardous method to kill massive numbers of jews.
Did that happen or not.
I say ****
7 Jul 2022 8:10 pm
I don't **** know. I haven't given vegas an iq test. Neither of us actually care. I could say I'm smarter than him and based on previous posts by him he would probably agree. But I would simply say I don't know. I have no way to measure it.
7 Jul 2022 8:34 pm
I appreciate the effort.FOS » 07 Jul 2022, 8:10 pm » wrote: ↑ I don't **** know. I haven't given vegas an iq test. Neither of us actually care. I could say I'm smarter than him and based on previous posts by him he would probably agree. But I would simply say I don't know. I have no way to measure it.
7 Jul 2022 8:55 pm
I don't think that making you look stupid takes either of us any effort.
You just are.
7 Jul 2022 8:59 pm
next time you try to confirm the holocaust lol. Spend a bit more effort than eichman ...lol retard. As if I never heard of eichman.
Try addressing the obvious and simple points I brought up in this thread. Just try.
7 Jul 2022 9:11 pm
And of course, Veghead hides behind a question, as usual. I see you evaded FOS's question...as usual. Hence, your well-deserved nickname Darth Evader.
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JohnEdgarSlowHorses » Today, 7:28 pm » wrote: ↑Today, 7:28 pm
JohnEdgarSlowHorses » Today, 7:28 pm » wrote: ↑Today, 7:28 pm
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7 Jul 2022 9:14 pm
Already did.FOS » 07 Jul 2022, 8:59 pm » wrote: ↑ next time you try to confirm the holocaust lol. Spend a bit more effort than eichman ...lol retard. As if I never heard of eichman.
Try addressing the obvious and simple points I brought up in this thread. Just try.
It isn't a confession.
Nod.
7 Jul 2022 9:20 pm
Don't worry @Blackvegetable , we all know this is far too long for you to read. It's unlikely you read more than half a sentence. In short, it says that you are full of ****.Bard » 07 Jul 2022, 5:11 pm » wrote: ↑ So, what we have here is a contradiction. It is claimed that limited use of the chambers explains the lack of residue. However, limited gassing contradicts eyewitnesses and makes the high gassing-death rate technically impossible. By attempting to support one part of the Holocaust story, Piper disproves another part.
Let's move on.
In a series of interviews with Shlomo Venezia, a survivor of the Auschwitz Sonderkommando, Venezia said that the Sonderkommando units were comprised of Jews who cleaned up the gas chambers after a group of prisoners had been murdered. After its personnel dragged the corpses out of the chamber--as Venezia states, this in and of itself was an extremely disturbing process, as it was initially difficult to disentangle the bodies--the room had to be cleaned. All traces of blood and excrement had to be washed away in order to present a clean, sterile, and hence worry-free environment to the next batch of victims. After completing this task, the men of the Sonderkommando then moved through the corpses, clipping hair or pulling out gold teeth before disposing of the bodies in industrial furnaces. The expertise that the Germans acquired in carrying out mass murder was soon passed on to the men manning the Sonderkommando units.
However, Bill Armontrout, was an expert witness at the second Ernst Zundel trial in Toronto. He was warden of the Missouri State Penitentiary, which includes an execution gas chamber. He said, "One of the things that cyanide gas does, it goes in the pores of your skin. You hose the body down, see. You have to use rubber gloves, and you hose the body down to decontaminate it before you do anything else."
In court, Armontrout testified to the safety precautions that were necessary to prevent those who handled the dead criminal's body from being poisoned by the deadly HCN themselves. He said, "The ventilation fan ran for approximately one hour before two officers equipped with Scott air-packs could open the hatch of the gas chamber and remove the lead bucket containing the cyanide residue. The two officers wore rubberized disposable clothing and long rubber gloves. They hosed down the condemned man's body in the chair, paying particular attention to the hair and the clothing because of the cyanide residue, then removed him and placed him on a gurney where further decontamination took place."
I trust I don't have to explain to you what this has to do with the story of the Sonderkommando units going in and handling bodies, clipping hair, etc. So you have a problem. If the Zyklon B was weak, and known to be slow in its release, then the mass-gassings could not have occurred as you have been taught. On the other hand, if the Zyklon B was adequate to the task, and quickly released (which it wasn't), then the testimonies of surviving Sonderkommandos are easily shown to be fictitious.
Retarded Horse's view on women.
JohnEdgarSlowHorses » Today, 7:28 pm » wrote: ↑Today, 7:28 pm
JohnEdgarSlowHorses » Today, 7:28 pm » wrote: ↑Today, 7:28 pm
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7 Jul 2022 9:28 pm
And you jews never got Leon degrelle did ya lol.
And he pointed out the **** of the holocaust to the bitter end.
7 Jul 2022 9:40 pm
Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 8:04 pm » wrote: ↑Do you consider yourself smarter than. @Vegas ?FOS » 07 Jul 2022, 8:03 pm » wrote: ↑ You said concentration camps.
Which we had in the usa also lol.
Show me the death camps.
FOS » 07 Jul 2022, 8:06 pm » wrote: ↑I don't give a ****. Smart isn't the question.
The question is whether the nazis used the most expensive, labor intensive, and hazardous method to kill massive numbers of jews.
Did that happen or not.
I say ****
And here is more evidence that Veghead is a moron. Intelligent people don't give a **** about IQ. Hawkings didn't. Einstein didn't. But those who are idiots obsess over it. Like Veghead. Dufus. Not to mention how redundant and repetitive stupid people are...like veghead. He is predictable, he says the same **** every day over and over and over.....FOS » 07 Jul 2022, 8:10 pm » wrote: ↑I don't **** know. I haven't given vegas an iq test. Neither of us actually care. I could say I'm smarter than him and based on previous posts by him he would probably agree. But I would simply say I don't know. I have no way to measure it.
Retarded Horse's view on women.
JohnEdgarSlowHorses » Today, 7:28 pm » wrote: ↑Today, 7:28 pm
JohnEdgarSlowHorses » Today, 7:28 pm » wrote: ↑Today, 7:28 pm
- I LOVE IT WHEN A CRACK WHORE GETS BEAT UP Image
- I WANT TO WATCH YOU BEAT YOUR CRACK WHORE WIFE Image Image Image
- PUT THAT WIFE BEATER ON AND GET BUSY
8 Jul 2022 12:08 am
Blackvegetable » 06 Jul 2022, 2:38 pm » wrote: ↑ https://www.cnn.com/videos/world/2022/0 ... ot-vpx.cnn
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