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Xavier_Onassis » 07 Jul 2022, 8:48 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 8:48 am

And you know that CNN is inaccurate because you never watch it. 
There is no way of evaluating something better than ignoring it deliberately and totally, right?

CNN is certainly not the best source of news on TV: that would be PBS, BBC America and Reuters. CNN has way too many ads and puff pieces about how great it is.

Fox deliberately ignores actual facts with excessibe whataboutisms.

Neilkcar is abysmally misinformed. Another rightwing dunce.

Well, I used to watch it ... I do not watch it now.  If you are suggesting that their reporting is better now than it was 2 years ago ... I can take a look at them again ... but by some of the stuff reported on this site  --- I think cnn is still biased... 

CNN is perhaps biased in the stories that it chooses to cover.
FOX is deliberately biased and reports actual falsehoods as facts and omits many stories in which Trump, the GOP and the Republicans have clearly and often illegally **** up.

Again, the most comprehensive TV news is on PBS, BBC America, Reuters and reegarding the Middle East Al Jazeera.
Of course, the print media is much more detailed in its reporting that TV news reports.

Xavier_Onassis » 07 Jul 2022, 8:48 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 8:48 am

CNN is certainly not the best source of news on TV: 
 

The Trump we love :

https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc-quick-cuts/ ... 2094147902

NEILCAR » 07 Jul 2022, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 8:40 am

I guess I am going to have to find this hannit show you guys keep talking about and watch it .... must be a great show. 

I basically watch 2 shows on Fox ... The Five and Gutfield...

I do not watch anything on cnn, it is a waste of time (their reporting is not fair nor balanced and usually not even accurate)  

If you use cnn as a source ... you are a moron...

I basically watch 2 shows on Fox ... The Five and Gutfield...

Morons of a feather...

@Huey  

Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 9:28 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 9:28 am

Morons of a feather...

@Huey

Yahoo News reports cnn has lost over 80% of their 2021 viewers.  So, I would politely suggest  cnn is NOT doing something right... 

NEILCAR » 07 Jul 2022, 9:31 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 9:31 am

Yahoo News reports cnn has lost over 80% of their 2021 viewers.  So, I would politely suggest  cnn is NOT doing something right...

You watch The 5.

you're a slack jawed imbecile.
 

Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 9:28 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 9:28 am

NEILCAR » 07 Jul 2022, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 8:40 am

I guess I am going to have to find this hannit show you guys keep talking about and watch it .... must be a great show. 

I basically watch 2 shows on Fox ... The Five and Gutfield...

I do not watch anything on cnn, it is a waste of time (their reporting is not fair nor balanced and usually not even accurate)  

If you use cnn as a source ... you are a moron...

I basically watch 2 shows on Fox ... The Five and Gutfield...

Morons of a feather...

@Huey

So? 
 

Huey » 07 Jul 2022, 9:36 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 9:36 am

So?

Just sayin'


 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzmv0FeHl6c
 

NEILCAR » 07 Jul 2022, 9:31 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 9:31 am

Yahoo News reports cnn has lost over 80% of their 2021 viewers.  So, I would politely suggest  cnn is NOT doing something right...

The reality is that any broadcast news station has TWO major obligations: (1) to report the news accurately, and (2) to make money from showing commercials.
Ad revenues are based on reports of viewership by companies like Nielsen. In the past I filled out viewer diaries from Nielsen. I did not even try to report what I watched accurately, I just wanted to fill the thing out and send it in so they would pay me a few bucks for my opinions.

So I question the authenticity of the statement that CNN lost 80% of its viewers. But that only relates to the popularity of CNN, and not at all to their accuracy. Most of the time, the figures of how Fox's competition is failing comes from Fox itself. And Fox lies.

roadkill » 07 Jul 2022, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 9:42 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzmv0FeHl6c

You crush on him...yea...we know.
 

Xavier_Onassis » 07 Jul 2022, 9:43 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 9:43 am

The reality is that any broadcast news station has TWO major obligations: (1) to report the news accurately, and (2) to make money from showing commercials.
Ad revenues are based on reports of viewership by companies like Nielsen. In the past I filled out viewer diaries from Nielsen. I did not even try to report what I watched accurately, I just wanted to fill the thing out and send it in so they would pay me a few bucks for my opinions.

So I question the authenticity of the statement that CNN lost 80% of its viewers. But that only relates to the popularity of CNN, and not at all to their accuracy. Most of the time, the figures of how Fox's competition is failing comes from Fox itself. And Fox lies.

I did mention that Yahoo News was reporting ... 
 

Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 9:35 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 9:35 am

You watch The 5.

you're a slack jawed imbecile.

says the person who marches in lock step with the dem lies ... I can not believe you are so gullible 
 

NEILCAR » 07 Jul 2022, 8:40 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 8:40 am

I guess I am going to have to find this hannit show you guys keep talking about and watch it .... must be a great show. 

I basically watch 2 shows on Fox ... The Five and Gutfield...

I do not watch anything on cnn, it is a waste of time (their reporting is not fair nor balanced and usually not even accurate)  

If you use cnn as a source ... you are a moron... 

Wouldn't it be nice if the news reported actual events as actually took place. When they investigate that cover all the degrees of separating possibilities anything else did and what actually happened.

you have the inquiring minds that want to know 7, how, why, which, what, where, when, who was involved then there are the 7 investigative degrees, means, motives, methods, opportunity, protecting, defending, eliminating the competition.

Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 6:23 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 6:23 am

But did you hear the number?

Are you talking about the 10 million? He didn't say that they killed that many, he said "even if they had killed that many". I don't know how many Jews died. I could be convinced 6 million is too high but I know many died.

Rock » 07 Jul 2022, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 10:32 am

Are you talking about the 10 million? He didn't say that they killed that many, he said "even if they had killed that many". I don't know how many Jews died. I could be convinced 6 million is too high but I know many died.

He said 10.3....an odd detail.

He may have referred to some census numbers rather than the actual score.
 

Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 10:49 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 10:49 am

He said 10.3....an odd detail.

He may have referred to some census numbers rather than the actual score.

European Jews were murdered by Nazis, that's a proven fact. As for proof, anyone could research the transcripts of the Nuremberg trials, photos, films, numerous accounts of soldiers, accounts of the Jews who lived through it, etc.  There is tons of corroborating evidence out there for anyone interested in researching it for themselves. There was clearly enough proof there to execute a bunch of German Nazis following each trial.  IIRC, some of them were quite proud of the number of Jews that the Germans murdered and even declared this at the trials. 

The tape of Eichmann did not confirm that it was 10.3 - that was some random number the guy on the tape threw out.  How was the tape verified to be Eichmann?  So, I'm not sure what you're point is there.  

Regardless, I don't think the Eichmann tape really much matters.  There are legitimate questions as to the exact number that were murdered, but most genuine historians agree it was at least several million, possibly more than 6 million.  I am not aware of any ledger or compilation of names of 6 Million Jews who were murdered by Nazis.  Are you?

As to whether FOS genuinely believes that millions of Jews were never murdered by Nazis - he's a pretty smart man, he's well read and I think he actually has a rather detailed understanding of what happened. His denial just pisses you off, doesn't it.   
 
 

Skans » 07 Jul 2022, 11:18 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 11:18 am

European Jews were murdered by Nazis, that's a proven fact. As for proof, anyone could research the transcripts of the Nuremberg trials, photos, films, numerous accounts of soldiers, accounts of the Jews who lived through it, etc.  There is tons of corroborating evidence out there for anyone interested in researching it for themselves. There was clearly enough proof there to execute a bunch of German Nazis following each trial.  IIRC, some of them were quite proud of the number of Jews that the Germans murdered and even declared this at the trials. 

The tape of Eichmann did not confirm that it was 10.3 - that was some random number the guy on the tape threw out.  How was the tape verified to be Eichmann?  So, I'm not sure what you're point is there.  

Regardless, I don't think the Eichmann tape really much matters.  There are legitimate questions as to the exact number that were murdered, but most genuine historians agree it was at least several million, possibly more than 6 million.  I am not aware of any ledger or compilation of names of 6 Million Jews who were murdered by Nazis.  Are you?

As to whether FOS genuinely believes that millions of Jews were never murdered by Nazis - he's a pretty smart man, he's well read and I think he actually has a rather detailed understanding of what happened. His denial just pisses you off, doesn't it.

There is quite a bit of things about the holocaust that don't add up. 

1. Where are the bodies? This is my main doubt. The pictures and video of all those bodies that we are shown from school, and wherever else, does not prove they were related to the holocaust narrative. It was a huge and gruesome war, so mass graves, along with piled up bodies, can be expected. In fact, how could it not? It would be virtually impossible to not have mass graves with piled up bodies. However, there is no physical evidence of any mass graves that were connected to the holocaust. You will find a lot of news articles online about mass graves and the holocaust. I have seen most of them. However, if you read past the headline and read the contents of those articles, you will see that they never proved it. they just assumed it. 

2. Stuffing 500 - 1200 people in a room and gassing them with the crappy tech they had back then is not realistic. They claimed that it would take about 20 minutes to gas 800 people in the room. Our gas chambers, for death row inmates, take about 10-18 minutes...with tech and gas that is more effective than back then. And they are claiming they can kill 800 bodies in 20 minutes with their **** tech? It doesn't add up.

Gas chamber: 10-18 minutesThe gas chamber was used in only 11 executions between 1979 and 1999, largely because the deaths by cynanide were protracted and in some cases disturbing to watch. The last inmate to go this way, Walter LaGrand, chose it over lethal injection and choked and gagged for several minutes until he was pronounced dead 18 minutes after the poison pellets were dropped into acid, according to media witnesses in the Arizona prison.In 1983, Mississippi officials claimed child rapist and killer Jimmy Lee Gray died two minutes after the gas started, but witnesses said he was still alive — moaning and banging his head against a pipe — when the viewing room was cleared eight minutes into the execution.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/fi ... ke-n329371

Now I can buy into a firing squad. That would make sense. However, I still need to see the physical evidence between the mass graves/piled bodies and the holocaust. 
 

Blackvegetable » 07 Jul 2022, 10:49 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 10:49 am

He said 10.3....an odd detail.

He may have referred to some census numbers rather than the actual score.

He may have referred to some census numbers rather than the actual score.

Perhaps.

Vegas » 07 Jul 2022, 11:34 am » wrote: ↑

07 Jul 2022, 11:34 am

There is quite a bit of things about the holocaust that don't add up. 

1. Where are the bodies?

2. Stuffing 500 - 1200 people in a room and gassing them with the crappy tech they had back then is not realistic.

Most were incinerated.  I'm sure many were buried.  It's not like today's Germans are going around digging up their country looking for dead Jews.  Do you really expect Germans to go on an all out hunt for dead bodies of Jews or human ash under buildings, roads, in forests, etc?  Are you freaking serious?

They were incinerating bodies by the truck and train loads.  It's not rocket science to incinerate bodies.  But, even if it was "rocket science", Germany had the best rocket scientists in the world.   And when you say "crappy technology", WTF???  Jet planes, rockets, pulsejets, rocket powered planes - all invented and built during the 1930's.  Is this an example of the "crappy tech" they had back then....



I mean, come on, the US, Germany and Russia were all working on nuclear fission weapons, and you claim that their "crappy tech" couldn't handle burning a bunch of bodies at one time?  I suppose you just have to have the freaking internet, virtual reality and GPS mapping - yeah, that's the kind of technology to burn bodies!!!

Gassing and shooting people are very efficient methods of execution, and were low-tech even for the 1940's.