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THE PARTY OF LESS GOVERNMENT?? Hardly. More so the party of meddling in EVERY FACET OF OUR LIVES.

From undermining women's rights, rolling back civil rights, voting rights, demonizing minorities, immigrants, public education, and the LGBTQ community, these hateful bastards, via the efforts of retrogressive hate based policymaking at the state level, via reich winger obstructionism in the Senate, and via the autonomous will of a rogue Supreme Court,  have gone FULL FASCIST.

And in so doing, they have imposed their own MINORITY RULE, ignoring the will of that MAJORITY OF AMERICANS who disagree with them, and NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE LIVES OF MILLIONS. 

The Lessons From the Right’s 50-Year-Long Crusade to Limit the Freedom of Women – Mother Jones

Conservatives writing 'witch hunt' laws to prevent crossing state lines to obtain an abortion

Forced-birther Christian Walker calls women who support abortion rights fat, ugly, and undesirable / Queerty

Republicans are now the party of government overreach. Democrats must rally for privacy, liberty

Texas AG says he’s totally down to use Roe decision to ruin gay people’s lives / Queerty

Anti-LGBTQ+ Laws Take Effect in Five More States

 
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B.See » 08 Jul 2022, 8:21 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 8:21 am

...they have imposed their own MINORITY RULE,...

 
 

Do you realize the majority of the Senators currently serving are republicans?
 

ConsRule » 08 Jul 2022, 8:28 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 8:28 am

Do you realize the majority of the Senators currently serving are republicans?

What has that to do with the fact that the MAJORITY of Americans (in some cases by a vast majority) support issues like gun control, voting rights, gay rights, abortion rights etc?

B.See » 08 Jul 2022, 8:37 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 8:37 am

What has that to do with the fact that the MAJORITY of Americans (in some cases by a vast majority) support issues like gun control, voting rights, gay rights, abortion rights etc?

The "majority of Americans" don't get to randomly change the US Constitution.  There is a process in place (actually two).  They are free to avail themselves of either option...by electing enough to get an amendment through Congress or electing state leader in enough states to get a Constitutional Convention called by the states.

Until then...it's nothing more than lazy people whining.
 

B.See » 08 Jul 2022, 8:21 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 8:21 am

THE PARTY OF LESS GOVERNMENT?? Hardly. More so the party of meddling in EVERY FACET OF OUR LIVES.

From undermining women's rights, rolling back civil rights, voting rights, demonizing minorities, immigrants, public education, and the LGBTQ community, these hateful bastards, via the efforts of retrogressive hate based policymaking at the state level, via reich winger obstructionism in the Senate, and via the autonomous will of a rogue Supreme Court,  have gone FULL FASCIST.

And in so doing, they have imposed their own MINORITY RULE, ignoring the will of that MAJORITY OF AMERICANS who disagree with them, and NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE LIVES OF MILLIONS. 

The Lessons From the Right’s 50-Year-Long Crusade to Limit the Freedom of Women – Mother Jones

Conservatives writing 'witch hunt' laws to prevent crossing state lines to obtain an abortion

Forced-birther Christian Walker calls women who support abortion rights fat, ugly, and undesirable / Queerty

Republicans are now the party of government overreach. Democrats must rally for privacy, liberty

Texas AG says he’s totally down to use Roe decision to ruin gay people’s lives / Queerty

Anti-LGBTQ+ Laws Take Effect in Five More States

 
(btw... same rules in this thread as in my other PG enabled threads...rational discussions, points counter points, rebuttals, responses, yes - personal insults, name calling, misrepresenting direct quotes, hate speech, drive by **** posting, trolling, and senseless content, NO... some who've habitually engaged in such have already been... uninvited)

 

Define "woman".

ConsRule » 08 Jul 2022, 8:47 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 8:47 am

The "majority of Americans" don't get to randomly change the US Constitution.  There is a process in place (actually two).  They are free to avail themselves of either option...by electing enough to get an amendment through Congress or electing state leader in enough states to get a Constitutional Convention called by the states.

Until then...it's nothing more than lazy people whining.

I disagree.

For one, "whining" is a right and in fact a duty of citizens of the U.S. to speak out on, as is peaceful protest (and I don't mean by storming the nation's Capitol in an attempt to throw out a legit election- THAT would be "whining" I think). And fact is, Democratic voters DID give Democrats a Senate whereby things could've gotten done if not for two DINOS in the GOP's pocket (literally because they're both fed MONEY by right wing interests).

ALSO let's not forget how the GOP achieves minority rule by gerrymandered voting districts that give them more wins (seats) than ACTUAL VOTES.

As for "randomly changing the Constitution" that is ACTUALLY what the illegitimate SCOTUS DID. Illegitimate because Republicans stonewalled Obama's SCOTUS nominee, and because Trump's picks LITERALLY LIED about their positions on Roe.

I mean, hey, let's face it, they (the conservative wing) are SCUM, they're unethical, they malign and twist law, precedent, and jurisprudence, there have been underhanded partial pro Trump dealings and rulings via their "shadow docket" and there are SERIOUS CONFLICTS OF INTERESTS.

and again a MAJORITY of Americans KNOW IT.   
 
 

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The entirely predictable campaign of threats and lies aimed at Hutchinson is part of a larger pattern of vicious misogyny that is coming to define the summer of 2022. It's being described as a "backlash" against feminism, but that word feels inadequate to capture the savage fury that is erupting across the country. We're seeing a boiling over of the anger so many men (and even some women) have against women who speak out — or even women who are just trying to live their lives in peace. 

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B.See » 08 Jul 2022, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 8:57 am

As for "randomly changing the Constitution" that is ACTUALLY what the illegitimate SCOTUS DID. Illegitimate because Republicans stonewalled Obama's SCOTUS nominee, and because Trump's picks LITERALLY LIED about their positions on Roe.


 

Did you complain when SCOTUS randomly changed the constitution in January of 1973?



 

B.See » 08 Jul 2022, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 8:57 am

For one, "whining" is a right
 

Where did I say it wasn't?
 

If someone murders a pregnant woman, they are charged with a double murder no matter the stage of pregnancy. Reason dictates that abortion is in fact premeditated murder.

TB7 » 08 Jul 2022, 11:25 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 11:25 am

If someone murders a pregnant woman, they are charged with a double murder no matter the stage of pregnancy. Reason dictates that abortion is in fact premeditated murder.

Why is it that any one-celled organism found on another planet would be considered proof of life? But on earth, a group of cells, that if left alone, would develop into a human is not.

The Supreme Court of The United States clearly took the power and control over abortions away from the Federal Government and gave it to the states.  "biden is expected to outline actions to attempt to mitigate some potential penalties women seeking abortion may face after the ruling but are limited in their ability to safeguard access to abortion nationwide."

Basically, Biden thinks it's OK to ignore a SCOTUS ruling because the dems don't like it. He thinks it's OK for the President to "Overrule " SCOTUS and ignore their court ruling. ? Think about that. Our current government has no problem ignoring laws and creating their own without any votes or resolutions from the legislature and representatives of the people.
The president does not have the authority to make laws. Executive decisions are not law. 

 
 

The  federal government   has no constitutional power to regulate abortion nationally, either in making it legal or illegal. As we learned during the pandemic, medical procedures and healthcare do   NOT fall under interstate commerce  and are therefore the sole jurisdiction of the states.  
 

Thank you BOTH for your contributions to the thread. I appreciate that you've stayed on topic.

ConsRule » 08 Jul 2022, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 10:13 am

Did you complain when SCOTUS randomly changed the constitution in January of 1973?

You mean the '73 Roe vs. Wade decision that was based upon a woman's CONSTITUTIONAL right to privacy?

TB7 » 08 Jul 2022, 11:25 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 11:25 am

If someone murders a pregnant woman, they are charged with a double murder no matter the stage of pregnancy. Reason dictates that abortion is in fact premeditated murder.

The DIFFERENCE has to do with CHOICE, specifically a woman's right to choice as opposed to that choice being removed via an act perpetrated by another party.
 

TB7 » 08 Jul 2022, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 11:42 am

The president does not have the authority to make laws. Executive decisions are not law. 

 

(above quote shortened due to character limitations)

C'mon. Donald Trump used "executive orders" to make (often constitutionally questionable) laws all the time. Some 200 PLUS of them.

 
 

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B.See » 08 Jul 2022, 8:21 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 8:21 am

THE PARTY OF LESS GOVERNMENT?? Hardly. More so the party of meddling in EVERY FACET OF OUR LIVES.

From undermining women's rights, rolling back civil rights, voting rights, demonizing minorities, immigrants, public education, and the LGBTQ community, these hateful bastards, via the efforts of retrogressive hate based policymaking at the state level, via reich winger obstructionism in the Senate, and via the autonomous will of a rogue Supreme Court,  have gone FULL FASCIST.

And in so doing, they have imposed their own MINORITY RULE, ignoring the will of that MAJORITY OF AMERICANS who disagree with them, and NEGATIVELY IMPACTING THE LIVES OF MILLIONS. 

The Lessons From the Right’s 50-Year-Long Crusade to Limit the Freedom of Women – Mother Jones

Conservatives writing 'witch hunt' laws to prevent crossing state lines to obtain an abortion

Forced-birther Christian Walker calls women who support abortion rights fat, ugly, and undesirable / Queerty

Republicans are now the party of government overreach. Democrats must rally for privacy, liberty

Texas AG says he’s totally down to use Roe decision to ruin gay people’s lives / Queerty

Anti-LGBTQ+ Laws Take Effect in Five More States

(btw... same rules in this thread as in my other PG enabled threads...rational discussions, points counter points, rebuttals, responses, yes - personal insults, name calling, misrepresenting direct quotes, hate speech, drive by **** posting, trolling, and senseless content, NO... some who've habitually engaged in such have already been... uninvited)

Your reality….isn’t real. 
 

TB7 » 08 Jul 2022, 11:42 am » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 11:42 am

The Supreme Court of The United States clearly took the power and control over abortions away from the Federal Government and gave it to the states.  "biden is expected to outline actions to attempt to mitigate some potential penalties women seeking abortion may face after the ruling but are limited in their ability to safeguard access to abortion nationwide."

Basically, Biden thinks it's OK to ignore a SCOTUS ruling because the dems don't like it. He thinks it's OK for the President to "Overrule " SCOTUS and ignore their court ruling. ? Think about that. Our current government has no problem ignoring laws and creating their own without any votes or resolutions from the legislature and representatives of the people.
The president does not have the authority to make laws. Executive decisions are not law. 

That sounds… fascist. 

razoo » 09 Jul 2022, 6:44 am » wrote: ↑

09 Jul 2022, 6:44 am

extremely fine people ........... who need big big anti american government right wing nuts out of the way pronto

anyone who feels like they are a woman at any time. 

Like when the mens bathroom is closed for cleaning, I can feel like a woman and use the womens room. Very convenient if you as me. 

B.See » 08 Jul 2022, 8:48 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Jul 2022, 8:48 pm

You mean the '73 Roe vs. Wade decision that was based upon a woman's CONSTITUTIONAL right to privacy?


 

And she STILL has her right to privacy.  She can privately travel to another state and get an abortion if the state in which she lives prohibits them OR she can privately get an illegal abortion.  Just like in the gun debate...you cannot stop someone from breaking the law.