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Cannonpointer » 15 Jul 2022, 12:02 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 12:02 pm

It sounds like you are properly set up by an electrician - but a tad under-powered, so you have to pick and choose.

Gasoline isn't a horrible fuel, since it's in regular supply. People with gas and no electric will certainly be willing to trade. The problem is storage, since gas is quite volatile. Keep your car full lol.

When the house was set up for the y2k. My nasty father did it. I dug the ditch.. He was very smart.  I inherited the house when they died. My drinking buddy lived off grid for years.. so he helps.
But during a huge storm last winter. The first generator suddenly shat the bed.. and it was running fine the week before.. and we had to hurry for a new one. It got delivered.. but when it came it had a different plug in on the end. We ran to the hardware store for a thing to convert it-SOLD out. We sat  here four days.. no power!!
Right before the storm- Bob!!! go start the plow truck.. Oh noes.. battery dead. That was checked too... ran to the auto parts store for a new battery.. 
it was a good lesson on being prepared and everything went BAD!!! I was really ready for a tree to drop on my head next.
never so cold in my life!

Holdor » 14 Jul 2022, 11:56 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jul 2022, 11:56 pm

Calif is the Richesest State in the Nation, NAd the y will goo for SOlar.

on paper and in economic theory.

BlueDevil » 15 Jul 2022, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 12:11 pm

We have one.  A neighbor did it expecting it to be a huge problem, but it wasn't.  The generators aren't huge,  and they're fairly inconspicuous.  Just don't try to do it yourself.  It's not solar power.  There's a lot that goes into it.  

It's not an infinite supply of power, just so you know.  You can't turn on every light, run the dishwasher, blast the HVAC, watch TV, without any worry.  They do have limits.

Ours is supposed to generate enough for the whole house - including the well pump. 24 thousand watts. It'll be tied in and on auto, propane powered. The tank and gas are already in and attached. 
 

Cannonpointer » 15 Jul 2022, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 12:26 pm

Ours is supposed to generate enough for the whole house - including the well pump. 24 thousand watts. It'll be tied in and on auto, propane powered. The tank and gas are already in and attached.

oh yea.. mine powers our deep water well. We have toilets and sink water.

BlueDevil » 15 Jul 2022, 12:46 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 12:46 pm

I'm just conveying to you what I was told by the electrician. 

Where's your tank?  I ask because I don't have one.

It's about 30 feet from the house, on a level patch. The line is run and dug. Just waiting for the generac.

johndnorth » 14 Jul 2022, 4:41 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Jul 2022, 4:41 pm

Inflation is ALWAYS a monetary phenomenon. Too much money was pumped into the system by senile Joe and a clueless Fed. The only way out is to raise interest rates at least to the level of the core inflation rate. The faster this is done the sooner inflation will end. Will this cause a recession? We are already in a recession. Auto loans are defaulting and some are only paying interest on their mortgage. When Volker raised rates under Carter the housing and auto companies were the first to collapse. Unemployment went to %9 and rates went to +%12. We have gone through this scenario before. Raise rates to %6 as soon as possible. Joe Biden wants to raise taxes and spend more so inflation will not quit until unemployment goes through the roof.

Here's the problem with that theory.  All that raising interest rates will do now is to hurt the poor and middle class even further, as their mortgages rates, car loans, and credit cards all increase costs to them, when millions are already living paycheck to paycheck, all while their wages are sinking.  If inflation were to be cured tomorrow, it would lock in those record high prices AND throw us into the deepest recession imaginable with rapidly increasing unemployment and a record number of bankruptcies that would certainly be the result.  American saw their credit card debt rise by $52 BILLION in the last quarter of 2021, and that trend is continuing this year as credit card balances have now reached $841 BILLION already this year.  What do you think will happen when their interest rates go up by another couple of percentage points in the coming months?

Are you aware of the current economic collapse currently facing countries like Sri Lanka and Ghana?  Turkey has an inflation rate currently at 70%, and Egypt, Tunisia and most of sub-Sahara Africa are becoming as desperate and can be expected to seek help from the IMF to avoid the same kind of economic collapse.  There are no less than 69 countries currently facing huge spikes in the cost of food, fuel, and new stringent financial conditions.  From those conditions, the huge increase in crime, homelessness, suicide, drug and alcohol abuse, and mass migration are all inevitable. 

This country became the strongest and wealthiest nation the world had ever seen as a direct result of ALWAYS having cheap and abundant energy resources that Biden has now stopped cold while he kisses the feet of the foolish purveyors of the "global warming" hoax.  Just look at every other country that has attempted to take the path of "renewable energy" and see how their economies have been decimated.  Unless and until we get this idiot out of the White House and replace him with someone who understands economics and reopens our vast fossil fuel resources, we can expect Americans to become overwhelmed with fear that the world-wide recession we're about to enter could quickly become a depression to rival that of almost a hundred years ago.  
 

BlueDevil » 15 Jul 2022, 2:44 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 2:44 pm

Who was President in 1980?

Rate hikes will only hurt if you're borrowing now.  Banks can't raise your mortgage rate after you've signed the loan papers.  Credit cards should be paid off monthly.  The cost of cars is going to come to a head.  I read the other day monthly notes are over $700/month.  People are financing cars for 6 and 7 years now too.  At some point they'll wake up.  I have $160k worth of cars in my garage, one of which was paid off early.  Eventually Americans who can't afford cars will stop buying them, and prices will adjust.

I'm referring to those with existing adjustable rate mortgages, which are currently the kind held by over 10% of mortgagees, which will all be hit hard with increases that will be forthcoming, to say nothing of how many home buyers will now look to an ARM that would currently have lower rates than a fixed-rate mortgage.  
And of course, everyone would be wise to pay off their credit cards every month in full, but that's about as realistic as our present idiot leaders telling us to just buy an electric car if you don't like the high price of gas that Biden has caused.

And one of the greatest presidents of all time was elected in 1980.  Here he is alongside the other greatest president of our time:

 


 
 

sootedupCyndi » 15 Jul 2022, 12:18 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 12:18 pm

When the house was set up for the y2k. My nasty father did it. I dug the ditch.. He was very smart.  I inherited the house when they died. My drinking buddy lived off grid for years.. so he helps.
But during a huge storm last winter. The first generator suddenly shat the bed.. and it was running fine the week before.. and we had to hurry for a new one. It got delivered.. but when it came it had a different plug in on the end. We ran to the hardware store for a thing to convert it-SOLD out. We sat  here four days.. no power!!
Right before the storm- Bob!!! go start the plow truck.. Oh noes.. battery dead. That was checked too... ran to the auto parts store for a new battery.. 
it was a good lesson on being prepared and everything went BAD!!! I was really ready for a tree to drop on my head next.
never so cold in my life!

Heat up rocks in a small fire..wrap them in layers crumpled up of foil...then take them to bed with you.

GHETTOBLASTER » 15 Jul 2022, 3:38 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 3:38 pm

Heat up rocks in a small fire..wrap them in layers crumpled up of foil...then take them to bed with you.

thats a good idea?
i hope it doesnt happen again!`

sootedupCyndi » 15 Jul 2022, 3:39 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 3:39 pm

thats a good idea?

If you ever get that cold with no other options.   
A foil turkey roasting pan would help keep the mess to a minimum.
Back in the day...mom had asbestos ironing board padding that would have worked nicely to lay under the hot rocks.

Cannonpointer » 15 Jul 2022, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 12:26 pm

Ours is supposed to generate enough for the whole house - including the well pump. 24 thousand watts. It'll be tied in and on auto, propane powered. The tank and gas are already in and attached.

It's takes 32 HP to generate 24KW.
Now take a look at the specs on your engine to see what the engineers  [or some government agency] figured you HP rating needed to be "at the flywheel".
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 15 Jul 2022, 3:42 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 3:42 pm

If you ever get that cold with no other options.   
A foil turkey roasting pan would help keep the mess to a minimum.
Back in the day...mom had asbestos ironing board padding that would have worked nicely to lay under the hot rocks.

Thats funny you mentioned that.. the mower..
We've been playing with the dumb mower.. seeing if its alright? riding it around...
when I mow... the darn thing stalls out when i turn a corner..
not enough weight on the seat.
bob says he has the answer.. we'll get a few bricks and put them on the back of the seat.. Brillant!      

sootedupCyndi » 15 Jul 2022, 4:10 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 4:10 pm

Thats funny you mentioned that.. the mower..
We've been playing with the dumb mower.. seeing if its alright? riding it around...
when I mow... the darn thing stalls out when i turn a corner..
not enough weight on the seat.
bob says he has the answer.. we'll get a few bricks and put them on the back of the seat.. Brillant!    

OH that is good detective work..!
I have "bypassed" my "DEAD MAN SWITCH"....but never forget it was put there to keep LIBERAL IDIOTS safe...!!!  

GHETTOBLASTER » 15 Jul 2022, 3:58 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 3:58 pm

It's takes 32 HP to generate 24KW.
Now take a look at the specs on your engine to see what the engineers  [or some government agency] figured you HP rating needed to be "at the flywheel".

Tht informtation is not in the description or the specs...

https://www.powerongroupinc.com/products/generac/7210/

GHETTOBLASTER » 15 Jul 2022, 4:20 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 4:20 pm

OH that is good detective work..!
I have "bypassed" my "DEAD MAN SWITCH"....but never forget it was put there to keep LIBERAL IDIOTS safe...!!!

lol it is a good safety feature in a way. :die:i would probably appreciate it.. if i were tipping over.    

Cannonpointer » 15 Jul 2022, 4:43 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 4:43 pm

Tht informtation is not in the description or the specs...

https://www.powerongroupinc.com/products/generac/7210/

I am not surprised that the info I would expect to see isn't there. This is partly why I asked. I run into this **** all the time.
You are of course buying a brand that is top drawer but I wonder about "truth in advertising".
I also wonder  what sort of "fudge factor" is designed into these units. 
a 32 HP engine assumes 100% efficiency @ 24KW..... which we know is impossible..it's purely theoretical.
I would guess that 40 HP makes the unit capable of continuous duty at 100% output. 
At any rate 24KW ought to barely break a sweat, even if you run the hot water tank , oven, furnace, arc welder, pottery kiln, draw bridge all at the same time.

sootedupCyndi » 15 Jul 2022, 4:48 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 4:48 pm

lol it is a good safety feature in a way. i would probably appreciate it.. if i were tipping over.

Always rehearse in your head how you would handle that scenario beforehand...!!
I just experienced BELT SMOKING / BELT SHREDDING last week.
the thin sheetmetal belt tensioner guides had finally failed after 20 years of vibration and left behind jagged and very sharp "knives" that were in the path of the belt.
I had to make new guides out of Stainless steel scrap that is .040" thick..since no replacements could be found.
there was just enough left of the original guides to use for patterns. One of the springs that keep the tensioner rubbing against the belt was missing  was missing too.
That tempered steel spring  is laying out there somewhere in the grass, along with the jagged pieces of sheetmetal that broke off.......  
 
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 15 Jul 2022, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 4:57 pm

I am not surprised that the info I would expect to see isn't there. This is partly why I asked. I run into this **** all the time.
You are of course buying a brand that is top drawer but I wonder about "truth in advertising".
I also wonder  what sort of "fudge factor" is designed into these units. 
a 32 HP engine assumes 100% efficiency @ 24KW..... which we know is impossible..it's purely theoretical.
I would guess that 40 HP makes the unit capable of continuous duty at 100% output. 
At any rate 24KW ought to barely break a sweat, even if you run the hot water tank , oven, furnace, arc welder, pottery kiln, draw bridge all at the same time.

I was wrong anyway - we got the 26k - either the 7290 or the 7291, don't know which. 

It's suppose to be good for continuous use - IF ya wanna pay about 12 to 15 bucks an hour to run the damned thing..
 

Holdor » 15 Jul 2022, 12:07 am » wrote: ↑

15 Jul 2022, 12:07 am

As a Natation we should get Water to Calif.

As a nation we should make sure that those who move to where there is no water figure out ways to get the water to themselves and not expect the rest of the country to pay for any of it.

Reminds me Sam Kinison..."You live in a **** desert!  Move to where the food is!!!
 

IkeBana » 17 Jul 2022, 5:07 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jul 2022, 5:07 pm

As a nation we should make sure that those who move to where there is no water figure out ways to get the water to themselves and not expect the rest of the country to pay for any of it.

Reminds me Sam Kinison..."You live in a **** desert!  Move to where the food is!!!

I agree with you, except Calif is like the 5th most productive place on the planet, I think we should get them the water they need.