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DeezerShoove » 09 Aug 2023, 1:26 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2023, 1:26 pm

At the time, 3 years ago, we all had limited amounts of info to work with. This amid chaos of the world shutting down, no cure in sight. Months of sheer terror for some watching loved ones die. The gloom could be watched spreading, worsening.
Businesses not just closing but ceasing to exist at all. Basics were getting thin on the shelves. Entire countries imposing onerous lockdowns under pain of jail time.
Our country considering letting all those poor covid potentials out of jail. Chaotic contradictions.
Suddenly a respite. A rushed but potentially relieving vaccine. Those months of draining your savings, out of work, maybe a little light at the end of the tunnel.
There is, of course, more but you get my point.

You seem to forget that slow death feeling.
That is the "20/20 it-wasn't-so-bad hindsight" you want me dismiss.
Looking back and reducing that to a simple black and white, yes or no, disregards the very real fear of the unknown.
People were scared, reacted to that emotion, you are saying the learning curve didn't exist.
Taking the vax was a choice, of course. But the perceived stakes changed over time.
That is your error.

You have misread me. I spent over 20k turning a house into a well stocked fortress with a built in generac and a thousand gallon propane tank. I built a **** bug in fortress because of the pressures to which you allude - I have not forgotten a MOTHER **** thing. No - I remember every **** bit of it. I could testify quite knowledgeably before the world court or to a hastily convened military tribunal held in a building on the execution grounds. 

You talk about pressure like it is some kind of anomaly. If it is, God bless ya - you've done well. 

Trust me. When a cell block bully wants that man ******, the pressures are just as complex an unsortable and panicky as the WORST day in 2020. The pressure will come from all sides, and the simplest thing is ALWAYS to just give up the ****** and make all the other threats go away. In fact, most of those guys will let you barter for a handjob or a blow job, just to get the ball rolling. But in the end, it's salad tossing and laundry doing and taking sissy slaps. 

The best thing is always to just say no to bullies. It's scary. But it's a **** of a lot simpler than explaining how saying yes was magically the moral equivalent of saying no.

Because it wasn't. It just wasn't. No, really - it wasn't. Saying yes against your wishes is never the moral equivalent of standing up for yourself. Not before you explain it. Not during explaining it. Not after explaining it. Not ever. 

Standing up for yourself is morally better than letting yourself be pushed around. 

 Your "herbivores, carnivores - we're all vores" argument just doesn't sway me, bro. The idea that I would be the same man had I caved? I just don't buy it.
 

Cannonpointer » 09 Aug 2023, 3:24 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2023, 3:24 pm

You have misread me. I spent over 20k turning a house into a well stocked fortress with a built in generac and a thousand gallon propane tank. I built a **** bug in fortress because of the pressures to which you allude - I have not forgotten a MOTHER **** thing. No - I remember every **** bit of it. I could testify quite knowledgeably before the world court or to a hastily convened military tribunal held in a building on the execution grounds. 

You talk about pressure like it is some kind of anomaly. If it is, God bless ya - you've done well. 

Trust me. When a cell block bully wants that man ******, the pressures are just as complex an unsortable and panicky as the WORST day in 2020. The pressure will come from all sides, and the simplest thing is ALWAYS to just give up the ****** and make all the other threats go away. In fact, most of those guys will let you barter for a handjob or a blow job, just to get the ball rolling. But in the end, it's salad tossing and laundry doing and taking sissy slaps. 

The best thing is always to just say no to bullies. It's scary. But it's a **** of a lot simpler than explaining how saying yes was magically the moral equivalent of saying no.

Because it wasn't. It just wasn't. No, really - it wasn't. Saying yes against your wishes is never the moral equivalent of standing up for yourself. Not before you explain it. Not during explaining it. Not after explaining it. Not ever. 

Standing up for yourself is morally better than letting yourself be pushed around. 

 Your "herbivores, carnivores - we're all vores" argument just doesn't sway me, bro. The idea that I would be the same man had I caved? I just don't buy it.

Doesn't matter to me what analogy of terror you throw at me.
This decision was based on as I told you before that I didn't fear the government created vax anymore than the government created disease. That part was completely a wash. It really didn't matter to me if I got it or not. (Lest I confuse the matter: I am referring to either one, vax or disease.)
My decision was based on as I told you before other people needing my cooperation. To me this was always going to be a temporary situation and I would still be with these folks after the fact.
I wasn't trying to prove my manhood or bravery or beat someone to the punch.
Nothing even close to the movie script you're trying to lay at my feet. 
There isn't an iota of shame in my actions.

I had the vax. Nothing happened. Conspiracy busted. I am a brave ****.

oh... I had covid. Didn't die. Same same...

ps1
There are MILLIONS of us out there. Knowing where this all led I think we are more on the same path than ever.
You don't think the scary sales job will go down much harder next time? It sure will for me.  

ps2
My people to which I refer aren't happy about that brief threat to their careers and family either.
You will have many more resisting and acting like that prison movie next time, Scars.  
 

DeezerShoove » 09 Aug 2023, 7:07 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2023, 7:07 pm

Doesn't matter to me what analogy of terror you throw at me.
This decision was based on as I told you before that I didn't fear the government created vax anymore than the government created disease. That part was completely a wash. It really didn't matter to me if I got it or not. (Lest I confuse the matter: I am referring to either one, vax or disease.)
My decision was based on as I told you before other people needing my cooperation. To me this was always going to be a temporary situation and I would still be with these folks after the fact.
I wasn't trying to prove my manhood or bravery or beat someone to the punch.
Nothing even close to the movie script you're trying to lay at my feet. 
There isn't an iota of shame in my actions.

I had the vax. Nothing happened. Conspiracy busted. I am a brave ****.

oh... I had covid. Didn't die. Same same...

ps1
There are MILLIONS of us out there. Knowing where this all led I think we are more on the same path than ever.
You don't think the scary sales job will go down much harder next time? It sure will for me.  

ps2
My people to which I refer aren't happy about that brief threat to their careers and family either.
You will have many more resisting and acting like that prison movie next time, Scars.

First, I am not speaking to your particulars. I'm speaking to mine, and to those - I know several, personally - who DID fear the vax and got it anyway. Then there are those who believed in the virus scare stories AND in the vax, and got it for that reason. I'm not indicting everyone. I'm also not excusing anyone. I'm standing alone because I do not trust my countrymen. I'm HOPING there are enough of us to put this thing right - and putting it right absolutely involves some firing squads. I see two possible futures. One involves me starving in the street as a man who can neither buy nor sell for he will not take the mark. The other involves military tribunals and mass graves. The only word I choose to describe the crime we are parsing about is biblical. 

I certainly hope you are correct that those who folded last time will stand as men next time. I strongly doubt it - but I do hope it. In my experience, folders fold and standers stand. If anything, the second time folding is easier. But it's possible. Our population MIGHT have learnt. I just strongly doubt it. I say all they learnt was how to bow before Mammon. 
 
 

Cannonpointer » 10 Aug 2023, 7:25 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2023, 7:25 pm

First, I am not speaking to your particulars. I'm speaking to mine, and to those - I know several, personally - who DID fear the vax and got it anyway. Then there are those who believed in the virus scare stories AND in the vax, and got it for that reason. I'm not indicting everyone. I'm also not excusing anyone. I'm standing alone because I do not trust my countrymen. I'm HOPING there are enough of us to put this thing right - and putting it right absolutely involves some firing squads. I see two possible futures. One involves me starving in the street as a man who can neither buy nor sell for he will not take the mark. The other involves military tribunals and mass graves. The only word I choose to describe the crime we are parsing about is biblical. 

I certainly hope you are correct that those who folded last time will stand as men next time. I strongly doubt it - but I do hope it. In my experience, folders fold and standers stand. If anything, the second time folding is easier. But it's possible. Our population MIGHT have learnt. I just strongly doubt it. I say all they learnt was how to bow before Mammon.

I agree that this was at the very least a watershed point in history.
Maybe not exactly biblical but it'll do until something else blows it away.   
And really, all I have is my particulars. And you, yours.

It is my hope that people will be stronger and say "Oh yeah? Prove it!" next time.
I know one meek little woman who is changed by this. If she is, so are others.

The near biblical part is that this **** happened while we had a president telling the liars that they were lying. Before covid even hit. Their built-in, always reliable, BS spouters were already looking pretty **** weak going into this plandemic. That is biblical timing.   
 

"Rand Paul: We now have the ‘smoking gun'"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uA55nLQ7go
 

https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/sta ... 1708737536

Growing Number Of Leprosy Cases Reported After COVID-19 Vaccination

https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/growi ... accination

Relapsing myocarditis following initial recovery of post COVID-19 vaccination

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 6223000591

Families that Inject COVID mRNA Vaccines Together, Develop Turbo Cancer Together?

https://www.globalresearch.ca/families- ... er/5828279

https://twitter.com/TexasLindsay_/statu ... 7450125312

https://twitter.com/LeadingReport/statu ... 6786484225

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... tusengland

GeorgeWashington » 11 Aug 2023, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2023, 12:26 pm

https://twitter.com/TimRunsHisMouth/sta ... 1708737536

             
 

roadkill » 11 Aug 2023, 8:55 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Aug 2023, 8:55 pm

The MSM would be popping corks and laughing about it. 
 

"Nurses alone in the emergency department “will be able to provide comfort measures and some first aid…or phone 911 if the person presenting is in immediate medical distress.”

Free experimental injections and medical care.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/it-s-lunacy-b-c-n ... -1.6521012

Natural Immunity!

The week prior to school starting the wife had multiple meetings with the Special Ed Teacher and school Phycologist, they are both vaccinated to the hilt and both out of work this week with COVID.

As of this morning, the wife feels fine.

Fuelman » 17 Aug 2023, 9:19 am » wrote: ↑

17 Aug 2023, 9:19 am

Natural Immunity!

The week prior to school starting the wife had multiple meetings with the Special Ed Teacher and school Phycologist, they are both vaccinated to the hilt and both out of work this week with COVID.

As of this morning, the wife feels fine.

Yeah,  a huge percentage of the the vaxed people are always getting sick now .....

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Bob » 16 Aug 2023, 7:53 am » wrote: ↑

16 Aug 2023, 7:53 am

"Nurses alone in the emergency department “will be able to provide comfort measures and some first aid…or phone 911 if the person presenting is in immediate medical distress.”

Free experimental injections and medical care.

https://bc.ctvnews.ca/it-s-lunacy-b-c-n ... -1.6521012

That's what happens when there is a doctor shortage due to a high mortality rate because of multiple vaxinations ....especially in rural areas where most of  the doctors were over the age of 40.....
same with the nursing shortage in Canada .....

 
 

Lovely – now the vaccine is verifiably causing cancer – spike proteins are in every cancer cell.

https://choiceclips.whatfinger.com/2023 ... cer-cells/

Interesting read:

https://medika.life/is-the-covid-vaccin ... illing-us/

Why the mRNA vaccine’s don’t stay in your arm

If, like many laypeople and even scientific and medically trained individuals, you’ve been led into believing that the vaccine stays localized at the site of the injection and elicits the necessary cellular responses there, then you’re in for a rude awakening. It’s the lymphatic system that is the main pathway of delivery and to reach that, the vaccine travels. Everywhere, it turns out.

Our Lymphatic system
To work effectively, the mRNA vaccines need to reach dendritic cells, and not just any old dendritic cells. The ideal ones, that respond best to the instruction carried in the mRNA to manufacture the spike protein, are located in our lymph nodes. Your lymphatic system, consisting of nodes positioned all over your body (see image above) offers a direct gateway to your immune system. To ensure the mRNA Pfizer vaccine reached all these nodes, the developers utilized lipid nanoparticles to deliver the vaccine to every outpost of the body.

More from Özlem Türeci, the Chief Medical Officer of BioNTech, in a passage from The Vaccine, the book that Türeci and her husband, BioNTech CEO Ugur Sahin, wrote, where journalist Joe Miller explains why BioNTech’s platform specifically targets the lymph nodes;

What Ugur learnt was that the location to which a vaccine delivers its ‘wanted poster’ really mattered. The reason for this, the couple’s team in Mainz later realised, was that not all dendritic cells … were created equal. The ones that resided in lymph nodes – of which the spleen is the largest – were particularly adept at capturing mRNA and making sure the instructions it carried were acted upon. These kidney-bean shaped organs, found under our armpits, in our groins, and at several other outposts in the body, are the information hubs of the immune system. (p. 98)

The wide biodistribution of the mRNA that came to light after the vaccine rollout was never an anomaly, as claimed by some and supported by the CDC. Far rather, it was a necessary design feature of BioNTech’s mRNA technology, a feature that was not publicized for obvious reasons. This distribution also serves to explain the wide ranging adverse events experienced by some to the vaccines.

This revelation makes a complete mockery of the articles published far and wide across the internet in 2020 and beyond, suggesting in fact that the vaccines were localized to the injection site. Even sites like the Conversation, with the help of medical professionals, got it spectacularly wrong. Take this article, titled Why do we get shots in the arm? It’s all about the muscle, published in May of 2021. We are assured the vaccine stays put and the description of the vaccines mechanism of action shows how poorly mRNA technology was, and is, understood.

Muscles make an excellent vaccine administration site because muscle tissue contains important immune cells. These immune cells recognize the antigen, a tiny piece of a virus or bacteria introduced by the vaccine that stimulates an immune response. In the case of the COVID-19 vaccine, it is not introducing an antigen but rather administering the blueprint for producing antigens. The immune cells in the muscle tissue pick up these antigens and present them to the lymph nodes. Injecting the vaccine into muscle tissue keeps the vaccine localized, allowing immune cells to sound the alarm to other immune cells and get to work.