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GHETTOBLASTER » 27 Aug 2023, 9:04 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2023, 9:04 pm

What would make you happy...?
 Give me a number.
How many people would it take just in the USA to make you happy...?

Trying to control the number of people is a left wing anti-Christ control freak move.

You're asking the wrong guy how many people would make me "happy." I accept the number that God sends. More hands make lighter work - no matter WHAT lies you have been told. 

Again, superimpose a population map and a poverty reduction map, and it becomes evident that more of God's children is the ANSWER, not the problem. 
 

Cannonpointer » 27 Aug 2023, 7:27 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Aug 2023, 7:27 pm

           What is that ****? 

Lol, I figured you wouldn't like that chart as it pushes back on your narrative. If you check around, many countries have returned to normal concerning excess deaths. Saw several articles talking about excess deaths still 5% above normal worldwide.

Guess the vaccines decided to take a "Holiday" and stop killing people.

With the new COVID jab coming next month you may get your wish. We will have to wait and see. My guess is the uptake of the jab this time around will be considerably less.
 

Fuelman » 28 Aug 2023, 9:52 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 9:52 am

Lol, I figured you wouldn't like that chart as it pushes back on your narrative.

No, ****, I do not like charts that have no author and no link with access to the raw numbers (and their provenance).

Cannonpointer » 28 Aug 2023, 8:41 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 8:41 am

Trying to control the number of people is a left wing anti-Christ control freak move.

You're asking the wrong guy how many people would make me "happy." I accept the number that God sends. More hands make lighter work - no matter WHAT lies you have been told. 

Again, superimpose a population map and a poverty reduction map, and it becomes evident that more of God's children is the ANSWER, not the problem.

Certainly there is a max number that would make you unhappy...?
Last time we were on this subject I mentioned that many areas are in total gridlock with no way to add more roads.
Your answer to that [of course] was to tell me about how you just take the back roads...  
There's no point in discussing  this matter with that level of unrealism and denial.
The amount of work required to shrink back [basically none] is always going to be much less than the work required to find new ways to cram more people into our society.

GHETTOBLASTER » 28 Aug 2023, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 9:57 am

Certainly there is a max number that would make you unhappy...?
Last time we were on this subject I mentioned that many areas are in total gridlock with no way to add more roads.

You don't have to live there. People choose it.

GHETTOBLASTER » 28 Aug 2023, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 9:57 am

Your answer to that [of course] was to tell me about how you just take the back roads...

Yeah, no.

GHETTOBLASTER » 28 Aug 2023, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 9:57 am

 
There's no point in discussing  this matter with that level of unrealism and denial.

There is no reason to make **** up except to say **** like this. ^

GHETTOBLASTER » 28 Aug 2023, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 9:57 am

The amount of work required to shrink back [basically none] is always going to be much less than the work required to find new ways to cram more people into our society.

So you admit more people build a stronger economy, creating more work.

Thank you.

Cannonpointer » 28 Aug 2023, 10:00 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 10:00 am

You don't have to live there. People choose it.

Yeah, no.

There is no reason to make **** up except to say **** like this. ^

So you admit more people build a stronger economy, creating more work.

Thank you.

Who says you need to keep adding to your population to maintain a strong economy...?
That's simply false and it's unsustainable.
People are living with much more relative debt in the 335MM USA  than ever before........BOOM.
 
And yeah..your answer to "terminal grid lock" last time we were on this topic was definitely telling me that you know all the back roads.  

Cannonpointer » 28 Aug 2023, 9:56 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 9:56 am

No, ****, I do not like charts that have no author and no link with access to the raw numbers (and their provenance).

So what you are saying is you haven't even bothered to go look at the data for 2023 on excess deaths. You are the last person I would guess that needs to be spoon fed. Figured you were on top of this ****!

That chart was from the CDC.

Here's another one:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... -2023-data

If you need some help reading this chart, it says excess deaths have returned to about normal.

Just keeping it real.


 
 

A few other places where excess deaths are back close to normal:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/17/briefing/covid.html

Fuelman » 28 Aug 2023, 11:20 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 11:20 am

So what you are saying is you haven't even bothered to go look at the data for 2023 on excess deaths. You are the last person I would guess that needs to be spoon fed. Figured you were on top of this ****!

That chart was from the CDC.

Here's another one:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... -2023-data

If you need some help reading this chart, it says excess deaths have returned to about normal.

Just keeping it real.

Yeah, the CDC has been so reliable and trustworthy  over the last few years ......
And as for the UK government .....it has no reason to lie ...right...?
If you haven't noticed ....
Many governments and agencies have been lying to their citizens since Jan, of 2019.....
about a lot of things .....
And statistics was/is one of them .....
so, what is different now ?

 
 

Majik » 28 Aug 2023, 5:12 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 5:12 pm

Yeah, the CDC has been so reliable and trustworthy  over the last few years ......
And as for the UK government .....it has no reason to lie ...right...?
If you haven't noticed ....
Many governments and agencies have been lying to their citizens since Jan, of 2019.....
about a lot of things .....
And statistics was/is one of them .....
so, what is different now ?

Yes, and you have every right to question that data. It's not that they haven't earned that mistrust!

Question , where has the data been coming from the last 2 years concerning excess deaths? Looks to me like those excess deaths are shown on the graphs from US and UK. This is just a point in time and could continue trending down or spike, time will tell.

I think most people were aware of the spike over the last 2 years but not really looking at what's happening this year.

Don't kill the messenger, this is a good thing right?
 

Fuelman » 28 Aug 2023, 5:55 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 5:55 pm

Yes, and you have every right to question that data. It's not that they haven't earned that mistrust!

Question ❓, where has the data been coming from the last 2 years concerning excess deaths? Looks to me like those excess deaths are shown on the graphs from US and UK. This is just a point in time and could continue trending down or spike, time will tell.

I think most people were aware of the spike over the last 2 years but not really looking at what's happening this year.

Don't kill the messenger, this is a good thing right?
 

when messingers are willing to eliminate anyone not paying for the delivery of their message, who will ever survive thinking for themselves?

Defending possibilities until extinction sounds larger than being alive now, but evolving limits life to only evolving forward here now one at a time in series parallel shared events.

GHETTOBLASTER » 28 Aug 2023, 10:08 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 10:08 am

Who says you need to keep adding to your population to maintain a strong economy...?

I was responding to YOUR argument, agreeing with your implication.

I never said that more people are REQUIRED. I only agreed that more people create more demand, which means more job and more efficiencies.

Reduce it to the absurd: You're alone on a desert island. You can't even move a felled tree that is in your way. Two more guys show up, and you make the tree into something useful.

Human Resources - look it up. It's a thing.

GHETTOBLASTER » 28 Aug 2023, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 9:57 am

People are living with much more relative debt in the 335MM USA  than ever before........BOOM.

That has nothing to do with how many people there are. The reason we are in debt is black cats - boom. Also, hyuk. Also, Man, I herd dat.
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 28 Aug 2023, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 9:57 am

And yeah..your answer to "terminal grid lock" last time we were on this topic was definitely telling me that you know all the back roads.

Likely because at the time I CHOSE to be in an area of gridlock. Given your complaints, I recommend you choose other, rather than arguing for exterminating your neighbors.

Fuelman » 28 Aug 2023, 11:20 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 11:20 am

So what you are saying is you haven't even bothered to go look at the data for 2023 on excess deaths. You are the last person I would guess that needs to be spoon fed. Figured you were on top of this ****!

That chart was from the CDC.

Mine are peer reviewed from insurance commissioners, among other things. Here's one from JAMA showing CHILDREN'S mortality increasing (they are the LEAST hard hit).

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/a ... ct/2802602

Here's the insurance industry saying it's a 40% increase: https://firstfactcheck.substack.com/p/c ... increasing

Here's another insurance source: https://www.wndnewscenter.org/its-the-j ... ss-deaths/

You know where to file your cdc ****, MSM guy.

Fuelman » 28 Aug 2023, 11:20 am » wrote: ↑

28 Aug 2023, 11:20 am

Here's another one:
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistic ... -2023-data

CDC and the UK government.

I'll stick with the professionals who are affected over the bureaucracies that are causing it - just keeping it real.

Cannonpointer » 30 Aug 2023, 3:54 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Aug 2023, 3:54 pm

I was responding to YOUR argument, agreeing with your implication.

I never said that more people are REQUIRED. I only agreed that more people create more demand, which means more job and more efficiencies.

Reduce it to the absurd: You're alone on a desert island. You can't even move a felled tree that is in your way. Two more guys show up, and you make the tree into something useful.

Human Resources - look it up. It's a thing.

That has nothing to do with how many people there are. The reason we are in debt is black cats - boom. Also, hyuk. Also, Man, I herd dat.
 
Likely because at the time I CHOSE to be in an area of gridlock. Given your complaints, I recommend you choose other, rather than arguing for exterminating your neighbors.

A return to 155MM is a far cry from being shorthanded.
The biggest difference during and after the population "correction" will be jobs that rely 100% on population growth will be in short supply...but that's just too bad.
I'm not in favor of "exterminating my neighbors"...and I think you know it.
I'm not thrilled to have witnessed the social engineering schemes that have made the latest waves of young Americans less able and less willing to become parents....because the Social Engineers have fostered selfishness, lack of energy due to soft upbringing on junk food and RX Drugs, promotion of gayness, abortion as routine birth control, ridiculous divorce settlements, recreational drugs, climate change hoaxism and  economic hardship due to irresponsible spending habits into the latest waves of young Americans minds. 
Oh well..the end result 100 years from now should be more of everything for everybody and with less effort .
100 years from now Whites will be lucky to make up 1/4 of the base population of America and Europe while the Blacks, Yellows and Browns claim 1/4 each.
So much race mixing will have taken place that the only large group left relatively pure and intact will be the [[[JEW ELITE RULERS]]].
 
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 30 Aug 2023, 5:19 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Aug 2023, 5:19 pm

A return to 155MM is a far cry from being shorthanded.
The biggest difference during and after the population "correction" will be jobs that rely 100% on population growth will be in short supply...but that's just too bad.
I'm not in favor of "exterminating my neighbors"...and I think you know it.
I'm not thrilled to have witnessed the social engineering schemes that have made the latest waves of young Americans less able and less willing to become parents....because the Social Engineers have fostered selfishness, lack of energy due to soft upbringing on junk food and RX Drugs, promotion of gayness, abortion as routine birth control, ridiculous divorce settlements, recreational drugs, climate change hoaxism and  economic hardship due to irresponsible spending habits into the latest waves of young Americans minds. 
Oh well..the end result 100 years from now should be more of everything for everybody and with less effort .
100 years from now Whites will be lucky to make up 1/4 of the base population of America and Europe while the Blacks, Yellows and Browns claim 1/4 each.
So much race mixing will have taken place that the only large group left relatively pure and intact will be the [[[JEW ELITE RULERS]]].

So... not by extermination.

And not by any of the other means you listed.

How, then, do you propose to reduce this nation's population? Or are you just grousing?
 

Cannonpointer » 30 Aug 2023, 6:52 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Aug 2023, 6:52 pm

So... not by extermination.

And not by any of the other means you listed.

How, then, do you propose to reduce this nation's population? Or are you just grousing?

You don't think the other means I listed will result in fewer adults having children..or else more adults having fewer children...?
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 30 Aug 2023, 6:56 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Aug 2023, 6:56 pm

You don't think the other means I listed will result in fewer adults having children..or else more adults having fewer children...?

You detested those methods. So what methods do YOU recommend?
 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAoqn5u4b6A
 

Cannonpointer » 30 Aug 2023, 6:58 pm » wrote: ↑

30 Aug 2023, 6:58 pm

You detested those methods. So what methods do YOU recommend?

I believe  financial incentives / penalties  in China ended with trash dumpsters full of dead babies.
I've  wondered if either the Chinese or the Global Elite would resort to germ or nuclear warfare 
At least my list of much more subtle and humane "social engineering" measures to reduce population is being done to people who don't realize what's happening for the most part. Even the Blacks and Browns aren't immune to the Social Engineering schemes..they will eventually follow suit.

Our findings suggest SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccination could alter the immune response to other pathogens, which cause both vaccine-preventable and non-vaccine-preventable diseases (34, 35). This is particularly relevant in children as they: have extensive exposure to microbes at daycare, school, and social occasions; are often encountering these microbes for the first time; and receive multiple vaccines as part of routine childhood vaccination schedules.

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10 ... 42380/full