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Cannonpointer » 07 Feb 2024, 9:09 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 9:09 pm

That's why there are a thousand. This is granular - real people's real experiences. 

Good for you, Pookie.

My experience varied. I read yours - show me that same courtesy.

I have never had a flu shot in my life - OR the flu, in my adult life. My blood work is phenomenal, and the last time I went for a physical, the doc told me that my BP would qualify me for the space program. I was a feral child and stepped on 9 nails before my 9th birthday. I was raised around chickens and cattle and cats and dogs and horses and even a monkey. I lived my childhood outdoors, venturing in to eat and to sleep. My immune system has served me beautifully. I believe my childhood outdoors made me strong.

It was perfectly in keeping with my life's trajectory that I would decline a shot for a virus - even if it had gone through the rigors of proper testing, and was not an experiment. Legally, ethically, and scientifically, the vax you took is an experiment - nothing more.

I declined - and I was vilified and demonized and threatened with not being able to buy and sell. People YOU support were behind it. I carry a grudge.

So take the vaccine. But live by the false credo which your side once pretended to believe: My body, my choice.

As the planet spins through space and turns on its axis, new information about the safety and efficacy of the vax will continue coming in - it IS an experiment, after all.

You are sanguine with the establishment - I am not. I am not trying to force you NOT to vax. I am objecting to you - or those you ride with, outlaw - violating my human rights under the geneva conventions against being compelled or coerced to participate in a medical experiment.

You swore an oath to the Constitution, which makes our treaties law of the land. Anyone placing any burden on anyone else for not participating in medical experiments belongs behind bars.

The ventilator was the means.

The crime was murder.

You'll excuse ME for trusting the science, for trusting my immune system, and for not being a willing lab rat.

Good for you.  I applaud your spirit of independence.

I also envy your background which obviously strengthened your immune system.

Now that vaccines and boosters are available, I believe that anyone like me who DOES believe in the efficacy of vaccines can choose to get one, and if someone doesn't, they should not be compelled to be vaccinated.  If they choose to face the COVID virus unprotected, then they should hope that their immune system is as strong as yours.  I would even go so far as to say that if they were not SURE their immune system was as strong as yours, and they got COVID, they would be yet another poster child for Social Darwinism, like my poor cousins once removed, GRTS.

@Cannonpointer  

Also...I am not sure how someone putting a ventilator mask over the face of my COVID-infected relative was an act of homocide.


and you can drop the "Pookie" and stick to "maineman".  that's be real nice

maineman » 07 Feb 2024, 8:51 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 8:51 pm

My nephew did not catch COVID.

cousins twice removed 

maineman » 07 Feb 2024, 9:19 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 9:19 pm

Good for you.  I applaud your spirit of independence.

I also envy your background which obviously strengthened your immune system.

Now that vaccines and boosters are available, I believe that anyone like me who DOES believe in the efficacy of vaccines can choose to get one, and if someone doesn't, they should not be compelled to be vaccinated.  If they choose to face the COVID virus unprotected, then they should hope that their immune system is as strong as yours.  I would even go so far as to say that if they were not SURE their immune system was as strong as yours, and they got COVID, they would be yet another poster child for Social Darwinism, like my poor cousins once removed, GRTS.

Oh, I agree that social darwinism is at play in the matter. 

I just think that people who foolhardily played the lab rat are the candidates that darwin will choose. 

You claimed that vaccines and boosters are available. They are not. That is an oft'-repeated lie - but it IS a lie. EXPERIMENTS are available, which are being touted as vaccines and boosters. They do not immunize the recipient against the virus. They do not immunize the people around the recipient from catching it FROM the recipient. They do not meet the definition of vaccine since the history of vaccines, and only met the definition by a change in the definition. The only known immunity relating to the vaccine is the legal immunity that its purveyors were granted. 

Believing in the "efficacy of vaccines" is a red herring. The overwhelming majority of those who rejected the experiment are people with many vaccinations. Remember those 9 nails by my 9th year? I will always be grateful that my parents got me a tetanus vaccine and booster. I've had two or three tetanus boosters in my adult life, as I continued in the rough and tumble ways of my childhood and managed a number of times to require some stitches. So let's not get it twisted that I am against vaccines. I'm against being the object of a beta test. The implication that I am "anti-vaccine" - or that most folks who declined the covid experiment are "anti-vaccine" is a red herring. 

Under no circumstances save the most dire should anyone take unknown drugs willy nilly. Any doctor that told you to take an untested experiment against a virus that killed 3 in 10,000 - mostly octogenarians with multiple co-morbidities - is a hack, as far as I am concerned. The pharma-sponsored, media-driven mania that is the covid phenomenon resulted in the only recorded example of people being bullied by their media and their governments to participate in a medical experiment. Even Hitler's Germany confined their civilian testing to a declared "enemy of the people."

The law under which you were peddled the experiment was dreadfully abused. The "Emergency Use Authorization" was WRITTEN to allow terminal patients to try a hail-mary with drugs in the testing pipeline. It was never intended to cause mass labrattery among the perfectly healthy.

You can tell yourself all day that participating in a medical experiment made sense. But they generally pay slackers for that, because that is the socio-economic group willing to play lab rat in order to avoid honest labor. Clearly, you are not a member of that socio-economic group. So you really should be ashamed that you got okay-doked into foolishness, rather than falsely pretending that those who declined the role of lab rat were the risk takers. . 

 
 

Cannonpointer » 07 Feb 2024, 10:13 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 10:13 pm

Oh, I agree that social darwinism is at play in the matter. 

I just think that people who foolhardily played the lab rat are the candidates that darwin will choose. 

You claimed that vaccines and boosters are available. They are not. That is an oft'-repeated lie - but it IS a lie. EXPERIMENTS are available, which are being touted as vaccines and boosters. They do not immunize the recipient against the virus. They do not immunize the people around the recipient from catching it FROM the recipient. They do not meet the definition of vaccine since the history of vaccines, and only met the definition by a change in the definition. The only known immunity relating to the vaccine is the legal immunity that its purveyors were granted. 

Believing in the "efficacy of vaccines" is a red herring. The overwhelming majority of those who rejected the experiment are people with many vaccinations. Remember those 9 nails by my 9th year? I will always be grateful that my parents got me a tetanus vaccine and booster. I've had two or three tetanus boosters in my adult life, as I continued in the rough and tumble ways of my childhood and managed a number of times to require some stitches. So let's not get it twisted that I am against vaccines. I'm against being the object of a beta test. The implication that I am "anti-vaccine" - or that most folks who declined the covid experiment are "anti-vaccine" is a red herring. 

Under no circumstances save the most dire should anyone take unknown drugs willy nilly. Any doctor that told you to take an untested experiment against a virus that killed 3 in 10,000 - mostly octogenarians with multiple co-morbidities - is a hack, as far as I am concerned. The pharma-sponsored, media-driven mania that is the covid phenomenon resulted in the only recorded example of people being bullied by their media and their governments to participate in a medical experiment. Even Hitler's Germany confined their civilian testing to a declared "enemy of the people."

The law under which you were peddled the experiment was dreadfully abused. The "Emergency Use Authorization" was WRITTEN to allow terminal patients to try a hail-mary with drugs in the testing pipeline. It was never intended to cause mass labrattery among the perfectly healthy.

You can tell yourself all day that participating in a medical experiment made sense. But they generally pay slackers for that, because that is the socio-economic group willing to play lab rat in order to avoid honest labor. Clearly, you are not a member of that socio-economic group. So you really should be ashamed that you got okay-doked into foolishness, rather than falsely pretending that those who declined the role of lab rat were the risk takers. .

Your failure to understand the fact that the way we create vaccines has changed since Edward Jenner found one for cowpox is a fault you choose not to cure..  Recombinant DNA may be a new process.  But it is no longer an "experiment" in vaccine creation any more than the Model T was an experiment in the methods of wagon motivation.  Again.  I am fine.  My blood work is also fantastic.  My BP was 120/70 last month.  All my kids are fine and in fabulous physical condition.  My cousin once removed?  His death's silver lining was that it deepened the gene pool.

BuckNaked » 07 Feb 2024, 9:34 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 9:34 pm

cousins twice removed

I am not sure I even have any cousins twice removed.  If I do, I certainly don't know their health status.

maineman » 07 Feb 2024, 9:22 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 9:22 pm

@Cannonpointer  

Also...I am not sure how someone putting a ventilator mask over the face of my COVID-infected relative was an act of homocide.

and you can drop the "Pookie" and stick to "maineman".  that's be real nice

When I got tested for covid by my state, I was called with a positive result. I asked, "What do I do now?" I was told, "If you get sick enough, go to the E.R." 

I responded, "Hold on. We are in a pandemic that has everyone terrified, and I have a novel corona virus - but it IS a corona virus. Does the state health department not have any sort of general knowledge about corona viruses that might assist me in getting better? No handout, no web site, no advice - just if you feel you're dying, go to the hospital?" They assured me this was the case. And THAT is gross dereliction of duty. Corona viruses are not a big mystery. There are palliatives - you can google it. In every state, there was a news blackout on what people ought to do to treat the virus at home. 

As a direct result of this news blackout, many people got sicker than they otherwise would have, and required care. Quite often, the "care" went something like this: Show up, get intubated, die. 

Intubation is indicated for Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome. Covid is not that. As a result, the Covid Intubation death rate was staggering. Given these numbers, at SOME point, intubation became contra-indicated. But the care had been politicized, and doctors were not free agents. Those who spoke out did so at great risk. 

By the way, when the state called me back for information on my recovery, I told them they were criminals and to **** off. I was diagnosed on a Tuesday, and that day began an Ivermectin protocol that I gleaned from clinical studies presented in peer reviewed journals. It included Vitamin k, zink, and a few other substances that slip my immediate memory. I was working out on Friday. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9GYTc53r2o
 

maineman » 07 Feb 2024, 10:24 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 10:24 pm

Your failure to understand the fact that the way we create vaccines has changed since Edward Jenner found one for cowpox is a fault you choose not to cure..

That is a bit of a slippery word game. The change did not occur until the covid experiment, and that has NOT been studied yet. So, no - the way we make vaccines has not been definitively changed. Vaccine manufacture is a known science under the previous paradigm, and it is an experimental science under the current one. 

We have ONE "vaccine" that does not fit the definition - ONE for which the definition had to be altered. And it is the ONE "vaccine" which does not inoculate the recipient from catching OR spreading the disease. I think that the very very first time we try a thing, it is okay to call it experimental - especially when it manifestly neither inoculates recipients nor stops the spread. That's kind of a duh. 

maineman » 07 Feb 2024, 10:24 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 10:24 pm

Recombinant DNA may be a new process. But it is no longer an "experiment" in vaccine creation any more than the Model T was an experiment in the methods of wagon motivation.

I called the "VACCINE" an experiment. And what did you do? You defended the METHODOLOGY of its production. I have no way of knowing whether that is a mistake on your part or a stratagem - but I do have a friend who was one of Clinton's personal physicians who fell for the "vax" specifically because he believed that the mRNA thing was peachy. And he has been in and out of the hospital with respiratory issues ever since, and he is desperately sorry he took the experiment. Ironically, he had argued with my anti-experiment stance specifically because he was enamored of the mRNA technology. 

maineman » 07 Feb 2024, 10:24 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 10:24 pm

Again.  I am fine.  My blood work is also fantastic.  My BP was 120/70 last month.  All my kids are fine and in fabulous physical condition.  My cousin once removed?  His death's silver lining was that it deepened the gene pool.

You and your family exposed yourselves to an experimental medicine for a malady that was a threat to 3 in 10,000 - and even that flaccid mortality statistic was inflated by a deluge of disinformation, a vicious blackout on proper medical advice, widespread lying regarding COD that was handsomely remunerated by the federal government, and widespread malpractice ending in death (contra-indicated intubation being only one example). You can brag that you got away with playing lab-rat for the pandemic that really wasn't. You can't call it a smart move, with any intellectual integrity. How DOES one argue straight-faced for the propriety of experimenting with drugs, FFS?

I know a guy who drove drunk many times and never got caught or got in a wreck. What would you think of that fellow, if he bragged about that outcome?
 
 
 

maineman » 07 Feb 2024, 8:48 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 8:48 pm

1000 links.

peer reviewed.

I opened one at random, and it was a long report detailing allergic reactions to the COVID vaccine by seven people.  7 people.  7.

Long before that - years ago - I went to my PCP, who just so happens to be a former Navy doctor.  We never served together but did have several mutual acquaintances.  I trust him with my health.  I asked him about all of the information and misinformation swirling around about the COVID vaccine and, straight up asked him if it was safe.  He told me it was, and he told me that he, his wife, and all his children were vaccinated,  I believed him.  I still do.  I don't listen to Rachel Maddow and I certainly would never get medical advice from her.  I do from my own doctor.

https://www.muhealth.org/our-stories/sc ... -they-seem
https://www.mskcc.org/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccine
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-con ... t-20484859
https://healthy.kaiserpermanente.org/he ... -effective
https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/ ... s-debunked

Here's what I know:  

I know my government tells me the vaccine is safe.  I know My doctor tells me the vaccine is safe.  Sloane Kettering says the vaccine is safe.  Kaiser Permanente says the vaccine is safe. The Mayo Clinic tells me the vaccine is safe.  

I have had every COVID shot and booster since they first came out.  So has my wife.  So have all three of my children and all three of their spouses/fiancés.  So have all of my still surviving company-mates from my graduating class at Annapolis, along with all of their spouses.  Of that entire group, only a handful have tested positive for COVID, and of those, none were even hospitalized, suffering nothing worse than a bad cold.  

In my extended family, I know of  one nephew and two cousins once removed who refused to be vaccinated.  The nephew has never tested positive for COVID, the two cousins once removed both caught COVID and both are dead from COVID leaving two widows and seven grieving children behind (all of whom had been vaccinated for COVID, btw).  One of them, who was a hardcore MAGA man, told his Mom, my cousin, right before they put the ventilator mask over his face that they only removed when he had breathed his last, that he thought he might have made a mistake by not getting vaccinated.  DUH!

You'll forgive me if I choose to forego reading any more studies about seven folks dying from allergic reactions to COVID vaccines and start acting like Chicken Little.  I'll leave that to you and @Majik

Here us where you mention your ancestors cmon man 

maineman » 07 Feb 2024, 10:24 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 10:24 pm

Your failure to understand the fact that the way we create vaccines has changed since Edward Jenner found one for cowpox is a fault you choose not to cure..  Recombinant DNA may be a new process.  But it is no longer an "experiment" in vaccine creation any more than the Model T was an experiment in the methods of wagon motivation.  Again.  I am fine.  My blood work is also fantastic.  My BP was 120/70 last month.  All my kids are fine and in fabulous physical condition.  My cousin once removed?  His death's silver lining was that it deepened the gene pool.

Here you mention him here 

maineman » 07 Feb 2024, 9:19 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 9:19 pm

Good for you.  I applaud your spirit of independence.

I also envy your background which obviously strengthened your immune system.

Now that vaccines and boosters are available, I believe that anyone like me who DOES believe in the efficacy of vaccines can choose to get one, and if someone doesn't, they should not be compelled to be vaccinated.  If they choose to face the COVID virus unprotected, then they should hope that their immune system is as strong as yours.  I would even go so far as to say that if they were not SURE their immune system was as strong as yours, and they got COVID, they would be yet another poster child for Social Darwinism, like my poor cousins once removed, GRTS.

And here 

BuckNaked » 07 Feb 2024, 11:27 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 11:27 pm

And here

they were first cousins once removed.

BuckNaked » 07 Feb 2024, 9:34 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Feb 2024, 9:34 pm

cousins twice removed

and here is where you asked about the wrong relative, moron.  I answered your question.  

maineman » 08 Feb 2024, 7:53 am » wrote: ↑

08 Feb 2024, 7:53 am

and here is where you asked about the wrong relative, moron.  I answered your question.

You did?   Were they obese?   Underlying issues?

BuckNaked » 08 Feb 2024, 9:02 am » wrote: ↑

08 Feb 2024, 9:02 am

You did?   Were they obese?   Underlying issues?

the answer to your question was that I do not know if I even have cousins twice removed so how would I know their health conditions.

maineman » 08 Feb 2024, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

08 Feb 2024, 9:48 am

the answer to your question was that I do not know if I even have cousins twice removed so how would I know their health conditions.

You posted it WTH?

BuckNaked » 08 Feb 2024, 10:21 am » wrote: ↑

08 Feb 2024, 10:21 am

You posted it WTH?

you are a liar or incredibly stupid or both.

I have never posted that I had any cousins twice removed.

maineman » 08 Feb 2024, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

08 Feb 2024, 9:48 am

the answer to your question was that I do not know if I even have cousins twice removed so how would I know their health conditions.

Most likely dead, first cousins are parent siblings' children. Second cousins are grandparent siblings children, twice removed would be great grandparent's siblings' children.

I think that is what the terms represent. Don't think it is the spouses of one's direct relatives side of the family previous generations.

there are direct bloodlines and parallel bloodlines not connected to anymore chromosomes than the inlaw to the bloodline. But that again gets into the twisted linear interpretation of series parallel time as displaced here now as reproductions are genetically eternally separated since conceived.

Now imagine how this relates to the covid vaccine creating health problems to specific chromosomes alignments using rfactored DNA that mutates the genes of the person getting the shot. you play the anything is possible scenario 24/7 and won't accept physical absolutes genetic compounding results eternally separates the ancestors occupying space now.

maineman » 08 Feb 2024, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑

08 Feb 2024, 10:40 am

you are a liar or incredibly stupid or both.

I have never posted that I had any cousins twice removed.

did you post most of your family was vaxed, 2 refused and died? 

BuckNaked » 08 Feb 2024, 12:00 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Feb 2024, 12:00 pm

did you post most of your family was vaxed, 2 refused and died?

I did.  You specifically asked about cousins twice removed.  I do not know of the existence, identity, or health status of any cousins twice removed.  You specifically asked about them.