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Huey » 29 Jul 2022, 8:48 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 8:48 am

But I am correct.  Even the "common good" is decided by the people thru elections of representatives and local officials.

Do you understand the economic concept of "Common Good"?

Blackvegetable » 29 Jul 2022, 8:50 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 8:50 am

Huey » 29 Jul 2022, 8:48 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 8:48 am

But I am correct.  Even the "common good" is decided by the people thru elections of representatives and local officials.

Do you understand the economic concept of "Common Good"?

 

Go ahead and explain it.  
 

Blackvegetable » 28 Jul 2022, 8:13 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jul 2022, 8:13 pm

https://share.newsbreak.com/1i8k3g80

 Study Finds Roughly Half of Americans Born in the 1960s Might Have a Lower IQ Due to Leaded Gasoline

That explains the mental retardation of the urban dwellers that vote Democrat.
 

ConsRule » 29 Jul 2022, 8:49 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 8:49 am

Where did I day children should grow up dumb.

The point is, the public...particularly the citizens in the local community where the school(s) are located...own the schools.  The owner of any operation, be it public or private, have control over it's operation...either directly or indirectly through the people the hire/elect.

Honestly, I thought you were smart enough to understand that.  My apologies for overestimating your intelligence.

a common good is not owned by a public at a point in time.

A public, at a point in time, could be said to hold it in trust for future generations.

Decisions are delegated to professionals, not subject to the whims of a crowd.


 

Huey » 29 Jul 2022, 9:01 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:01 am

Go ahead and explain it.

Is that a yes or a no?

Blackvegetable » 29 Jul 2022, 9:17 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:17 am

a common good is not owned by a public at a point in time.

A public, at a point in time, could be said to hold it in trust for future generations.

Decisions are delegated to professionals, not subject to the whims of a crowd.

Well, I figured you would go there.  In terms of public education you will have to change our system so elitists can be in charge.

Huey » 29 Jul 2022, 9:19 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:19 am

Well, I figured you would go there.  In terms of public education you will have to change our system so elitists can be in charge.

Whether you understand it or not, it is how it is.

Cedar » 29 Jul 2022, 9:07 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:07 am

That explains the mental retardation of the urban dwellers that vote Democrat.

Maybe they privilege employment and economic growth.

Go figger

Blackvegetable » 29 Jul 2022, 9:17 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:17 am

Decisions are delegated to professionals...
 

By the people who hire them.  If they don't do what their bosses want them to do, they get fired.

You may not like that, but it's still true.

 

ConsRule » 29 Jul 2022, 9:24 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:24 am

By the people who hire them.  If they don't do what their bosses want them to do, they get fired.

You may not like that, but it's still true.

No...

DELEGATED.


 

Blackvegetable » 29 Jul 2022, 9:21 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:21 am

Huey » 29 Jul 2022, 9:19 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:19 am

Well, I figured you would go there.  In terms of public education you will have to change our system so elitists can be in charge.

Whether you understand it or not, it is how it is.

 

Controlly, FIFY.  I obviously understand it.  Now back to the topic: 

In terms of public education you will have to change our system so elitists can be in charge.

Blackvegetable » 29 Jul 2022, 9:26 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:26 am

ConsRule » 29 Jul 2022, 9:24 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:24 am

By the people who hire them.  If they don't do what their bosses want them to do, they get fired.

You may not like that, but it's still true.

No...

DELEGATED.


 

 

In your opinion that is how it should work.  Over the past few years have you have really shown your authoritarian side. 

Blackvegetable » 29 Jul 2022, 9:26 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:26 am

No...

DELEGATED.

You cannot possibly be so stupid that you don't understand elected officials answer to their constituents.  Public schools are ran by a school board...all of which are elected and answerable to the voters (public).  They are given, by their constituents, the power to hire/fire and oversee the operations of the schools.  If the schools are not performing to the level expected by the owners of the school (the citizens in that district), the people to whom the public has delegated authority to must fire those who under perform.  If they don't, the public can fire them and hire someone who will.

You don't need to like the process, but when it comes to public schools that is the process.  If you want to exercise authoritarian control over a network of schools, start private schools.  Then you can do as you wish.
 

ConsRule » 29 Jul 2022, 9:34 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:34 am

Blackvegetable » 29 Jul 2022, 9:26 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:26 am

No...

DELEGATED.

You cannot possibly be so stupid that you don't understand elected officials answer to their constituents.  Public schools are ran by a school board...all of which are elected and answerable to the voters (public).  They are given, by their constituents, the power to hire/fire and oversee the operations of the schools.  If the schools are not performing to the level expected by the owners of the school (the citizens in that district), the people to whom the public has delegated authority to must fire those who under perform.  If they don't, the public can fire them and hire someone who will.

You don't need to like the process, but when it comes to public schools that is the process.  If you want to exercise authoritarian control over a network of schools, start private schools.  Then you can do as you wish.
 

 

Oh, he understands that elected officials answer to their constituents.  He wants to take the constituents (voters) out of the equation because he does not think they are smart to make such decisions on behalf of their children.  This is his view on parents and education:


In regards to education BV says:
**** the parents...if they aren't raising their kids to appreciate Reality, there is no reason for the power of the State to back ' em up in denial.

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ConsRule » 29 Jul 2022, 8:49 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 8:49 am

Where did I day children should grow up dumb.

The point is, the public...particularly the citizens in the local community where the school(s) are located...own the schools.  The owner of any operation, be it public or private, have control over it's operation...either directly or indirectly through the people the hire/elect.

Honestly, I thought you were smart enough to understand that.  My apologies for overestimating your intelligence.

The influence of the public in school curriculum cannot be absolute.
If a majority of the parents believe that Jesus will be paying us a visit at some contemporary date, and all students must atone for their sins in some particular manner, that should never be enacted into the curriculum.
The same goes for specific prayers in the school to God, Jesus, Allah or even His Noodliness, the Great Spaghetti Monster.
Or teaching antisemitism, racial superiority, inferiority.


Proper Democracy involves universal tolerance of the minority as well as majority privilege.

ConsRule » 29 Jul 2022, 9:34 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:34 am

You cannot possibly be so stupid that you don't understand elected officials answer to their constituents.  Public schools are ran by a school board...all of which are elected and answerable to the voters (public).  They are given, by their constituents, the power to hire/fire and oversee the operations of the schools.  If the schools are not performing to the level expected by the owners of the school (the citizens in that district), the people to whom the public has delegated authority to must fire those who under perform.  If they don't, the public can fire them and hire someone who will.

You don't need to like the process, but when it comes to public schools that is the process.  If you want to exercise authoritarian control over a network of schools, start private schools.  Then you can do as you wish.

 
at all interested in the railings of a idiot media fed cretin.

Correct.
 

Huey » 29 Jul 2022, 9:28 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:28 am

In your opinion that is how it should work.  Over the past few years have you have really shown your authoritarian side.

Authoritarian?

It is how the system is designed.

SPECIFICALLY to reduce the influence of stupid people.

Huey » 29 Jul 2022, 9:26 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 9:26 am

Controlly, FIFY.  I obviously understand it.  Now back to the topic: 

In terms of public education you will have to change our system so elitists can be in charge.

Keep the Stupid to yourself. 

Blackvegetable » 29 Jul 2022, 5:01 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 5:01 am

Do as you are told.

Now.

Provide thoughts of your own. 

Now.

Xavier_Onassis » 29 Jul 2022, 10:11 am » wrote: ↑

29 Jul 2022, 10:11 am

The influence of the public in school curriculum cannot be absolute.

 

Where did I say it was (or should be) absolute.  There are laws that must be followed.  However, the owners of the public schools have every right to demand quality teachers and administrators be hired and have the right to say what is taught (within the confines of the law).  If some don't like their decisions, they simply have to gather enough votes to overrule them...or start their own schools.

Liberals (in general) need to grow up and understand the people who own an organization have a right to exercise control.