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FOS » 03 Aug 2022, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 1:11 pm

increasingly the FBI just does not give a **** about violating your rights. they are not actually interested in law enforcement...they basically act like the soviet KGB

I've had no personal experience with the FBI acting like KGB.  But, there are some school board meeting attendees who have. I'm sure others too.
 

Skans » 03 Aug 2022, 1:13 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 1:13 pm

I've had no personal experience with the FBI acting like KGB.  But, there are some school board meeting attendees who have. I'm sure others too.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... ns-himself

if you look into this case, it is quite obvious that none of these people even broke any law. And this is just one example. Im sure you have heard of ruby ridge?

FOS » 03 Aug 2022, 1:14 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 1:14 pm

 Im sure you have heard of ruby ridge?
 

I have.
 

Skans » 03 Aug 2022, 1:48 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 1:48 pm

I have.

well its been like this for a long time. since ww2, actually. the CIA itself is just a evolution of the OSS...whose main job was hunting down nazis all over the world. Look up COINTELPRO...as much as communists pretend that was used against them...it really wasnt. it was mainly used against the KKK and anti semites (and many stalin supporters were anti semites cause he was)

FOS » 03 Aug 2022, 1:14 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 1:14 pm

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/201 ... ns-himself

if you look into this case, it is quite obvious that none of these people even broke any law. And this is just one example. Im sure you have heard of ruby ridge?
 

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (source you referenced) these individuals engaged in violent attacks, and/or the coordination of violent attacks.  Those would be crimes, if true. Are you saying they did no such thing?
 

Skans » 03 Aug 2022, 1:53 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 1:53 pm

According to the Southern Poverty Law Center (source you referenced) these individuals engaged in violent attacks, and/or the coordination of violent attacks.  Those would be crimes, if true. Are you saying they did no such thing?

of course i am saying they did no such thing. and everyone knows the SPLC is not a serious organization lol...i said if you look into this case you can confirm it. in fact, the 'source' that the FBI cited was literally an antifa website...that simply CLAIMED that such things happened, and had zero evidence.

Cedar » 03 Aug 2022, 12:39 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 12:39 pm

Randy Weaver was a victim of government entrapment.

He was found guilty of peddling illegal firearms. 
He knew he was guilty, that's why he didn't turn himself in.

Xavier_Onassis » 03 Aug 2022, 2:17 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 2:17 pm

He was found guilty of peddling illegal firearms. 
He knew he was guilty, that's why he didn't turn himself in.

clearly you dont know the story around it. SO why did you say anything? lol...go read what actually happened dood

Cucurbitaceaeophobia » 03 Aug 2022, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 1:03 pm

One more time, Who are you to tell anyone that Jesus was fictional?
You have nothing more than a useless Spanish language Degree.
Earn a certificate in Theology, then come back and put out some more of your **** propaganda.
And I will tell you the same thing.

My degrees kept me employed from age 21 through retirement, so they weren't useless. My thesis advisor was a defrocked Jesuit, I know tons more about the Christian religion than you.

You may be surprised to hear this, but a degree in theology does not teach the actual truth about religion, it simply justifies all the many things about the Christian religion that do not make logical sense. The same is true of "Bible Studies".

Presenting yourself as an impartial expert on Christianity with a degree in theology is like applying to NASA sporting a certificate from the Flat Earth Society.

You offer nothing in the way of a counter argument, only dumb insults.  You got nothing.

FOS » 03 Aug 2022, 1:56 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 1:56 pm

of course i am saying they did no such thing. and everyone knows the SPLC is not a serious organization lol...i said if you look into this case you can confirm it. in fact, the 'source' that the FBI cited was literally an antifa website...that simply CLAIMED that such things happened, and had zero evidence.

Well, I was wondering why you referenced a SPLC article in what you wrote. All I did was read the article you referenced.  I looked no further, but figured you had a point to make.
 
 

Skans » 03 Aug 2022, 2:40 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 2:40 pm

Well, I was wondering why you referenced a SPLC article in what you wrote. All I did was read the article you referenced.  I looked no further, but figured you had a point to make.

Skans. The SPLC is  what i was classify as a whacky leftist organization. It used to be run by a guy named morris deetz(sure i spelled his name wrong)
Anyways They are evil and cause a lot of trouble. Over the years.
They were around a lot during that Ruby Ridge incident.

sootedupCyndi » 04 Aug 2022, 1:40 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2022, 1:40 am

Skans. The SPLC is  what i was classify as a whacky leftist organization. It used to be run by a guy named morris deetz(sure i spelled his name wrong)
Anyways They are evil and cause a lot of trouble. Over the years.
They were around a lot during that Ruby Ridge incident.

I don't disagree with anything you've said, I am aware of what the SPLC is, and it is not some benevolent organization.  Presumably, FOS knew what he was doing when he linked to an article on the SPLC's website.
 

Skans » 04 Aug 2022, 5:33 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2022, 5:33 am

I don't disagree with anything you've said, I am aware of what the SPLC is, and it is not some benevolent organization.  Presumably, FOS knew what he was doing when he linked to an article on the SPLC's website.

OK!! wasnt sure you knew.  
 

Xavier_Onassis » 03 Aug 2022, 2:17 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 2:17 pm

He was found guilty of peddling illegal firearms. 
He knew he was guilty, that's why he didn't turn himself in.

He was coerced into selling illegal firearms by an undercover ATF agent.

 

FOS » 03 Aug 2022, 2:19 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 2:19 pm

clearly you dont know the story around it. SO why did you say anything? lol...go read what actually happened dood

I clearly DO know the story around this, and better than you do.
Randy Weaver shot at Federal officers, that is clearly what got him shot.
He was peddling illegally altered military weapons. He refused to obey the officers of the law.

 

Cedar » 04 Aug 2022, 8:22 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2022, 8:22 am

He was coerced into selling illegal firearms by an undercover ATF agent.

If an undercover ATF agent attempted to coerce me into involving myself in the trafficking of illegal firearms, I would tell the undercover ATF agent to go take a flying ****...as would any other decent person with a **** conscience.
 

Cedar » 04 Aug 2022, 8:22 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2022, 8:22 am

He was coerced into selling illegal firearms by an undercover ATF agent.

Why was he so stupid as to knowingly break the law?
Innocent people don't get entrapped.
Everyone knows that sawed off shotguns are illegal.

He shot at the FBI guys.  The FBI guys were rather incompetent.

He served under two years in prison and his family was awarded over $3,000,000.
He is not in anyway admirable.]
At most, he was a nut.

Skans » 03 Aug 2022, 1:10 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 1:10 pm

I mean, technically, there's nothing to stop an FBI agent from showing up at your home and asking you all kinds of questions. The bad thing about that is, while they can lie to you and ask you whatever they want, if you start talking **** lies just to screw with them, they'll get you for obstruction.

Just keep your tapper shut, you aren’t required to talk to anyone.
 

Monderegal » 03 Aug 2022, 12:07 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Aug 2022, 12:07 pm

There still is a lot of negative propaganda about the United States and the treatment of blacks historically. Many call it America's original sin to this day.

The problem is...it ain't propaganda.  It's history.  If it's negative, it's negative because the behavior of Americans and the US government was as negative as human behavior can get.  The origins of this country are all about the slavery of black people and the genocide of red people. And if you people are just so fragile that it's upsetting for you or for you children to learn about it...all of it...in their history classroom...well that's just too ****' bad.
 

IkeBana » 04 Aug 2022, 8:32 am » wrote: ↑

04 Aug 2022, 8:32 am

If an undercover ATF agent attempted to coerce me into involving myself in the trafficking of illegal firearms, I would tell the undercover ATF agent to go take a flying ****...as would any other decent person with a **** conscience.

I never said Randy Weaver was an intelligent man, just a victim of entrapment.