Kansas votes No
By Monderegal
3 Aug 2022 9:27 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
3 Aug 2022 9:27 am
If you were tracking the primaries last night you might be getting a feel of how the Dodd decision is playing out. Kansas, a state that is considered very Conservative, rejected a constitutional amendment to ban abortion with 59% of the vote. Perhaps a miscalculation by Trump when he chose his Supreme Court justices? Does anyone here think that this might also play into Democratic hands when the actual midterms take place? That seems like a pretty resounding defeat.
Nothing is easier than defending the status quo.
3 Aug 2022 9:34 am
No.Monderegal » 03 Aug 2022, 9:27 am » wrote: ↑ If you were tracking the primaries last night you might be getting a feel of how the Dodd decision is playing out. Kansas, a state that is considered very Conservative, rejected a constitutional amendment to ban abortion with 59% of the vote. Perhaps a miscalculation by Trump when he chose his Supreme Court justices? Does anyone here think that this might also play into Democratic hands when the actual midterms take place? That seems like a pretty resounding defeat.
I know you want to see something here but 2 things.
1) The wording was very confusing
2) No need to put something in the constitution. The Hobbs case was about letting the people decide.
3 Aug 2022 9:40 am
Independent » 03 Aug 2022, 9:34 am » wrote: ↑ No.
I know you want to see something here but 2 things.
1) The wording was very confusing
2) No need to put something in the constitution. The Hobbs case was about letting the people decide.
Because I is well read.The Hobbs case was about letting the people decide.
3 Aug 2022 9:48 am
Monderegal » 03 Aug 2022, 9:27 am » wrote: ↑ If you were tracking the primaries last night you might be getting a feel of how the Dodd decision is playing out. Kansas, a state that is considered very Conservative, rejected a constitutional amendment to ban abortion with 59% of the vote. Perhaps a miscalculation by Trump when he chose his Supreme Court justices? Does anyone here think that this might also play into Democratic hands when the actual midterms take place? That seems like a pretty resounding defeat.
do you know which states had the most liberal abortion laws before roe v wade?
the southern states.
3 Aug 2022 9:49 am
What don’t you understand?
I will try to dumb it down for you.
Enshrining abortion policy in a constitution one way or another is wrong.
3 Aug 2022 10:00 am
Why?Independent » 03 Aug 2022, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑ What don’t you understand?
I will try to dumb it down for you.
Enshrining abortion policy in a constitution one way or another is wrong.
3 Aug 2022 10:06 am
I say that it is perfectly OK for any state to guarantee the right of any woman to have an abortion that wants one.
3 Aug 2022 10:08 am
3 Aug 2022 10:14 am
You're right.Independent » 03 Aug 2022, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑ What don’t you understand?
I will try to dumb it down for you.
Enshrining abortion policy in a constitution one way or another is wrong.
That's dumb.
But it's not like you are blessed with options.
3 Aug 2022 10:24 am
I think some are trying to read too much into it.
The Dobbs Decision, regarding abortion, says it is up to the States to decided (not the Federal Government)
Yesterday the State of Kansas made a decision, and only the State of Kansas.
The Dobbs Decision, regarding abortion, says it is up to the States to decided (not the Federal Government)
Yesterday the State of Kansas made a decision, and only the State of Kansas.
3 Aug 2022 10:40 am
NEILCAR » 03 Aug 2022, 10:24 am » wrote: ↑ I think some are trying to read too much into it.
The Dobbs Decision, regarding abortion, says it is up to the States to decided (not the Federal Government)
Yesterday the State of Kansas made a decision, and only the State of Kansas.
I'm just surprised it was so resounding especially in a state like Kansas. Perhaps I'm cheering for my team but I think that is a good sign for Democrats in November.
Nothing is easier than defending the status quo.
3 Aug 2022 10:40 am
The issue is that the only person to decide whether a particular abortion is right or wrong is the woman contemplating having it.
3 Aug 2022 10:41 am
According to the Supreme Court. Try to catch up.
3 Aug 2022 10:42 am
OKXavier_Onassis » 03 Aug 2022, 10:06 am » wrote: ↑ I say that it is perfectly OK for any state to guarantee the right of any woman to have an abortion that wants one.
3 Aug 2022 10:44 am
Xavier_Onassis » 03 Aug 2022, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑ The issue is that the only person to decide whether a particular abortion is right or wrong is the woman contemplating having it.
NOT a bunch of old men who were elected based on whether to fourlane the bypass around Sharon Springs or deliver relief to the farmers affected by wheat rust in Pottawattomie County.
3 Aug 2022 10:45 am
Correct. And that decision was whether or not to enshrine a lack of a right in the constitution.NEILCAR » 03 Aug 2022, 10:24 am » wrote: ↑ I think some are trying to read too much into it.
The Dobbs Decision, regarding abortion, says it is up to the States to decided (not the Federal Government)
Yesterday the State of Kansas made a decision, and only the State of Kansas.
I would assume many pro-lifers voted against that on principle. I know I would.
Hence my point. Not the big win people think it is. Make assumptions at your own peril.
3 Aug 2022 10:46 am
I would expect an attempt to enshrine it as a right in the constitution to also fail.Xavier_Onassis » 03 Aug 2022, 10:06 am » wrote: ↑ I say that it is perfectly OK for any state to guarantee the right of any woman to have an abortion that wants one.
3 Aug 2022 10:53 am
Please don't.NEILCAR » 03 Aug 2022, 10:24 am » wrote: ↑ I think some are trying to read too much into it.
The Dobbs Decision, regarding abortion, says it is up to the States to decided (not the Federal Government)
Yesterday the State of Kansas made a decision, and only the State of Kansas.
3 Aug 2022 11:07 am
It is a BIG win for some poor women in the future that do not wish to have a child they do not want.Independent » 03 Aug 2022, 10:45 am » wrote: ↑ Correct. And that decision was whether or not to enshrine a lack of a right in the constitution.
I would assume many pro-lifers voted against that on principle. I know I would.
Hence my point. Not the big win people think it is. Make assumptions at your own peril.
It is also an indication that even in conservative states, not all of the Trumpest policies are overwhelmingly popular.
Why can't you accept that a woman's decisions be taken from her by the Kansas Legislature?
Should they also be allowed to prevent you from buying Viagra or condoms?
3 Aug 2022 11:08 am
Xavier_Onassis » 03 Aug 2022, 11:07 am » wrote: ↑ It is a BIG win for some poor women in the future that do not wish to have a child they do not want.
It is also an indication that even in conservative states, not all of the Trumpest policies are overwhelmingly popular.
Why can't you accept that a woman's decisions be taken from her by the Kansas Legislature?
Should they also be allowed to prevent you from buying Viagra or condoms as a matter of "principle"?
Why would YOUR "principles" be more valid than those of a poor young woman? Tell us.
Why can't that woman be INDEPENDENT just like you?
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