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ConsRule » 09 Aug 2022, 11:34 am » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2022, 11:34 am

There was still R&D cost...you said there was no development cost.  Then you said the R&D had already been covered.  One of your statements was a lie.  Be an adult and admit it.

A hundred years 
 

B.See » 08 Aug 2022, 9:55 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2022, 9:55 pm

more details re the topic:

GOP strips insulin out-of-pocket cap from bill: ‘Republicans have just gone on the record in favor of expensive insulin’

Republicans successfully stripped a proposed $35 per month cap on out-of-pocket spending on insulin for patients enrolled in private insurance from the tax and climate bill.

The Senate parliamentarian had ruled that the provision, sponsored by Georgia Democratic Senator Raphael Warnock, is not primarily related to the federal budget. That gave the GOP a chance to raise a procedural objection.

Waiving the rules required 60 votes to succeed. Seven Republicans sided with Democrats to keep the insulin cap in the bill, but that was not enough. Democrats plan to use the GOP move to strip the insulin cap in the fall midterm campaigns.

Many in the GOP supported an amendment from Louisiana Senator John Kennedy to instead provide government funding to subsidize insulin purchases for low income individuals.

Democrats immediately attacked Senators Ron Johnson of Wisconsin and Marco Rubio of Florida, who are up for re-election, over their votes to strip a $35 insulin cap from the tax bill.

“Republicans have just gone on the record in favor of expensive insulin,” Oregon Senator Ron Wyden said.

“After years of tough talk about taking on insulin makers, Republicans have once against wilted in the face of heat from Big Pharma.”

Voting with Democrats to keep the provision were Senators Bill Cassidy, Susan Collins, Josh Hawley, Cindy Hyde-Smith, John Kennedy, Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan.

The 57-43 vote was shy of the 60 needed.

Are you on GOVERNMENT [TAXPAYER] ASSISTANCE for any self inflicted diseases...?

ScottMon » 09 Aug 2022, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2022, 4:37 pm

A hundred years

You still lied

 

ScottMon » 09 Aug 2022, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2022, 4:37 pm

A hundred years

I would love to know how many of  those who are screaming loudest about insulin costs spend $500 / month or more on cookies, candy, ice cream, potato chips,doughnuts soft drinks, breakfast cereals, pizza, pre package highly processed foods..etc.

 

 

ConsRule » 09 Aug 2022, 4:32 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2022, 4:32 pm

I never said I was an expert (your words, not mine)...and any product should be priced at what the market will bear.

so insulin should not be regulated?  That’s what FREE MARKET means.   Any other drugs you think should be available in the free market?  I didn’t realize you were for legalizing all drugs.
 

SJConspirator » 09 Aug 2022, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2022, 3:44 pm

you seem like an expert.  How much should insulin Cost?  Are diabetics getting it too Cheaply?  Maybe the pharmaceutical companies are getting ripped off.

I'm not an expert of cost issues but I can add some insight into the making of insulin. Insulin is a product of the pancreas that regulates blood sugar. There are extreme deficiencies in the creation of insulin in diabetes. There are two types of diabetes. Juvenile diabetes which means that you are born without a effective pancreas to make insulin. You can also have adult diabetes which means that you had a functioning pancreas at birth but lost your ability to make insulin as an adult. This can occur for several reasons but usually occurs from an over consumption of sugar which overloads the pancreas and you lose your ability to make insulin (this is one reason you should watch your weight in order not to become obese).
Insulin to replace natural insulin can also come in two forms. The earliest creations of insulin were harvested from cows or pigs (pigs were more common). While it was cutting edge when I was at Purdue, now most insulin is created using DNA. You have DNA that codes for insulin since its a protein. Bacteria are small single celled organisms that have DNA since they are organisms and all organisms have DNA. You simply take a bacteria's DNA, slice it and add the insulin creating DNA. Then you insert that DNA "plasmid" or circle of DNA into a bacteria. The bacteria make insulin with the added DNA and you extract the insulin as the bacteria produce it when they divide and grow in numbers during the natural biological process. The final product is "artificial" insulin that is created in a lab. Now there is no need to take it from animals as was the common practice for decades. I hope that makes sense.
 

ScottMon » 08 Aug 2022, 10:49 am » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2022, 10:49 am

It literally costs $6 a bottle to make.  Capping it at $35 is still netting $29 or 82% a bottle.  Setting aside the Democrat/Republican **** for minute, I have to ask why 6 Senators didn't vote for it.  Is it lobbying by pharmaceutical companies?  Is Partisian showboating?  The official reason given was that it wasn't part of the federal budget.  Whats the unofficial reason?  There are way too many people having to pay hundreds of dollars for a bottle that only cost $6 to make.  Countless parents are trying to assist their Type I diabetic children.  

And before someone posts a link to GoodRx, Keep in mind that they offer a one time deal on it.

@FOS  answered this. The government does not care about you, I, or anyone in this country. Period. That is the single most reason. That's literally the only reason. How do you think politicians make so much money once they leave office? Have you noticed that they are far wealthier after they leave office than they were before? Their salaries, from taxpayers, aren't that much.

SJConspirator » 09 Aug 2022, 5:17 pm » wrote: ↑

09 Aug 2022, 5:17 pm

so insulin should not be regulated?  That’s what FREE MARKET means.   Any other drugs you think should be available in the free market?  I didn’t realize you were for legalizing all drugs.

Again...where did I say those things?

Why do you have so much trouble reading post?  It's really simple, just read the words actually posted...nothing else.
 

ConsRule » 10 Aug 2022, 7:26 am » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2022, 7:26 am

Again...where did I say those things?

Why do you have so much trouble reading post?  It's really simple, just read the words actually posted...nothing else.

you said drug prices should be whatever the market will bear, as if drugs aren’t regulated by several federal agencies.  You really think that drug prices are going to behave the same way as bubble gum or widgets?

in economics, supply and demand will affect the prices of commodities, but those forces will be entirely subject to regulations enforced by DEA, FDA, FBI etc.. your statement was ignorant

ScottMon » 08 Aug 2022, 10:49 am » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2022, 10:49 am

It literally costs $6 a bottle to make. 
 

Joe Biden is YOUR president.  It is clear that Biden just wants Diabetics to DIE AND DIE QUICKLY!

SJConspirator » 10 Aug 2022, 7:42 am » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2022, 7:42 am

you said drug prices should be whatever the market will bear, as if drugs aren’t regulated by several federal agencies.  You really think that drug prices are going to behave the same way as bubble gum or widgets?

in economics, supply and demand will affect the prices of commodities, but those forces will be entirely subject to regulations enforced by DEA, FDA, FBI etc.. your statement was ignorant

But the question that I answered was how they "should be" priced...how they are and how they should be priced are different.  It all goes back to you reading what is actually posted.

Zymarikaphobia » 08 Aug 2022, 1:15 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Aug 2022, 1:15 pm

No it is not cheap to make! Have you seen the prices of pork?
Insulin comes from pigs and AOC wants no more pigs!
Blame AOC ASSHOLE!

AOC has not advocated making pork illegal. Insulin is a byproduct of the pork processing industry, and its cost is a tiny fraction of what people in other countries pay for manufactured insulin.
Drug companies in the US are charging vastly more for insulin than the cost of manufacture justifies, and everyone knows it.

Zymarikaphobia » 10 Aug 2022, 9:27 am » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2022, 9:27 am

What is your problem with "profit"?

He's a dyed-in-the-wool Communist.  Isn't that obvious?

Zymarikaphobia » 10 Aug 2022, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2022, 10:15 am

It is.

Zymarikaphobia » 10 Aug 2022, 9:27 am » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2022, 9:27 am

What is your problem with "profit"?

The problem is not with profit. In other countries, drug companies produce insulin and sell it at a profit for vastly less than in the US.
What is happening here is that the drug companies are GOUGING people will must have insulin or they will DIE, and making hundreds of times the profit on this drug that they make in other countries.

If someone were to raise your rent to $10,000 a month or triple your mortgage payments, how would it make sense to ask "what is your problem with quote profit unquote.

You are just another idiot right wing nut job.

Joe Biden says "Screw you Diabetics and your cheap insulin - I told you to stop drinking super-sized sodas and it's all your fault - NOW DIE (unless you're black, then you get free drugs)."
 

Skans » 10 Aug 2022, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2022, 10:19 am

Joe McCarthy was an alcoholic liar and a **** phony.
 

Xavier_Onassis » 10 Aug 2022, 7:58 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Aug 2022, 7:58 pm

Joe McCarthy was an alcoholic liar and a **** phony, but damn he was right about the Communists.

FIFY!