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Blackvegetable » 07 Sep 2022, 2:56 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 2:56 pm

Huey » 07 Sep 2022, 2:20 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 2:20 pm

 

 

Cont....

When you buy an AR-15 or an AR-15 variant, you are buying a weapon DESIGNED for combat, and a particular tactical function.

The weapon your citations apply to is the Armalite Rifle 15.  The, AR 15 was to become the M 16.  Most people can not by that weapon.  If you are buying that weapon you certainly are correct.  I also would say that there are not many AR 15s from 1957 in circulation.  Plus, only Colt can manufacture a weapon using the AR 15 name.  

The fact that it is semi auto doesn't change that, because that capability is specified...for obvious reasons.

Um, the weapon referred to in your citations is the Armalite RIfle 15.  That weapon is select fire.  You don't walk into your average Gun Store and buy it.  For obvious reasons.

You aren't buying a varmint gun, a "sporting rifle", or potato masher.

If you are buying the weapon in your citations, no, you are not.  Good luck finding one. 

If you are buying a DD AR style firearm, you are not buying a weapon from that line.  Nor was it designed for combat.  It was specifically designed for civilians following the NFA of 86. 

As far as your hangup on three times the speed of a .22, the comment is so what?  It was 1957 and rifles with 3290 were available.  The FPS is not that relevant.  Additionally, 3300 is not in the top 10 of FPS in the modern world. 

As I have consistently maintained....and EVERY citation confirms.

Yes, every citation you posted about the 1957 Armalite Rifle 15 confirms the purpose of the weapon.  Unfortunately your citations are not referencing modern day semiautomatic rifles made by a variety of manufacturers going by the BFA of 86.
 
 My job is complete.
 

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 9:11 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 9:11 am

Cont....

The weapon your citations apply to is the Armalite Rifle 15.  The, AR 15 was to become the M 16.  Most people can not by that weapon.  If you are buying that weapon you certainly are correct.  I also would say that there are not many AR 15s from 1957 in circulation.  Plus, only Colt can manufacture a weapon using the AR 15 name.  

Um, the weapon referred to in your citations is the Armalite RIfle 15.  That weapon is select fire.  You don't walk into your average Gun Store and buy it.  For obvious reasons.

If you are buying the weapon in your citations, no, you are not.  Good luck finding one. 

If you are buying a DD AR style firearm, you are not buying a weapon from that line.  Nor was it designed for combat.  It was specifically designed for civilians following the NFA of 86. 

As far as your hangup on three times the speed of a .22, the comment is so what?  It was 1957 and rifles with 3290 were available.  The FPS is not that relevant.  Additionally, 3300 is not in the top 10 of FPS in the modern world. 

Yes, every citation you posted about the 1957 Armalite Rifle 15 confirms the purpose of the weapon.  Unfortunately your citations are not referencing modern day semiautomatic rifles made by a variety of manufacturers going by the BFA of 86.
 
 My job is complete.

You may stop now.

My argument is supported by mutually agreed upon facts.

Your twaddle only repukes unrelated yip yap. You have no case.

 

Blackvegetable » 08 Sep 2022, 9:25 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 9:25 am

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 9:11 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 9:11 am

Cont....

The weapon your citations apply to is the Armalite Rifle 15.  The, AR 15 was to become the M 16.  Most people can not by that weapon.  If you are buying that weapon you certainly are correct.  I also would say that there are not many AR 15s from 1957 in circulation.  Plus, only Colt can manufacture a weapon using the AR 15 name.  

Um, the weapon referred to in your citations is the Armalite RIfle 15.  That weapon is select fire.  You don't walk into your average Gun Store and buy it.  For obvious reasons.

If you are buying the weapon in your citations, no, you are not.  Good luck finding one. 

If you are buying a DD AR style firearm, you are not buying a weapon from that line.  Nor was it designed for combat.  It was specifically designed for civilians following the NFA of 86. 

As far as your hangup on three times the speed of a .22, the comment is so what?  It was 1957 and rifles with 3290 were available.  The FPS is not that relevant.  Additionally, 3300 is not in the top 10 of FPS in the modern world. 

Yes, every citation you posted about the 1957 Armalite Rifle 15 confirms the purpose of the weapon.  Unfortunately your citations are not referencing modern day semiautomatic rifles made by a variety of manufacturers going by the BFA of 86.
 
 My job is complete.

You may stop now.

My argument is supported by mutually agreed upon facts.

Your twaddle only repukes unrelated yip yap. You have no case.

 

 

If you actually read it you will see that as far as what you wrote is concerned I agree that most of what you wrote is true concerning the Armalite Rifle 15 Rifle tested in 1957 is supported by your citation.  I posted what I comments of yours are inaccurate. 

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 9:49 am

If you actually read it you will see that as far as what you wrote is concerned I agree that most of what you wrote is true concerning the Armalite Rifle 15 Rifle tested in 1957 is supported by your citation.  I posted what I comments of yours are inaccurate.

There is nothing to contradict.

You stipulated to every fact.

Your "distinction" is invalid.

 

Blackvegetable » 08 Sep 2022, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:19 am

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 9:49 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 9:49 am

If you actually read it you will see that as far as what you wrote is concerned I agree that most of what you wrote is true concerning the Armalite Rifle 15 Rifle tested in 1957 is supported by your citation.  I posted what I comments of yours are inaccurate.

There is nothing to contradict.

You stipulated to every fact.

Your "distinction" is invalid.

 

 

What part of this do  you not understand?  

What you wrote about the ARMALITE RIFLE 15 is supported by your citations.  Unfortunately the ARMALITE RIFLE 15 is not sold to the general population.  

Nod.  

PS.  You should thank me for providing those citations to you over the years. 

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 10:47 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:47 am

What part of this do  you not understand?  

What you wrote about the ARMALITE RIFLE 15 is supported by your citations.  Unfortunately the ARMALITE RIFLE 15 is not sold to the general population.  

Nod.  

PS.  You should thank me for providing those citations to you over the years.

Your distinction is invalid.

Your commentary is unnecessary....

We can read the citations.
 

Blackvegetable » 08 Sep 2022, 10:54 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:54 am

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 10:47 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:47 am

What part of this do  you not understand?  

What you wrote about the ARMALITE RIFLE 15 is supported by your citations.  Unfortunately the ARMALITE RIFLE 15 is not sold to the general population.  

Nod.  

PS.  You should thank me for providing those citations to you over the years.

Your distinction is invalid.

Your commentary is unnecessary....

We can read the citations.
 

 

My distinction is spot on.  Your citations refer to a 1957 designed weapon and round that is not a .22.  YOUR citations do not discuss semi automatics manufactured and specifically designed in accordance with the NFA so cvilians can buy them.  They are not variants of any weapon manufactured by Armalite or Colt.

So again, You narrative matches up with the citations you posted.  

As far as  your hardon for velocity that too is irrelevant because 3300 isn't even in the top ten FPS.  It was fast in 57 but not so much now. 

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 10:58 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:58 am

My distinction is spot on.  Your citations refer to a 1957 designed weapon and round that is not a .22.  YOUR citations do not discuss semi automatics manufactured and specifically designed in accordance with the NFA so cvilians can buy them.  They are not variants of any weapon manufactured by Armalite or Colt.

So again, You narrative matches up with the citations you posted.  

As far as  your hardon for velocity that too is irrelevant because 3300 isn't even in the top ten FPS.  It was fast in 57 but not so much now.

Tiny,

There is no "1957 designed weapon"..

There is an AR-15, the product of the SCHV program.

One design, one family.


 

Blackvegetable » 08 Sep 2022, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 11:03 am

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 10:58 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:58 am

My distinction is spot on.  Your citations refer to a 1957 designed weapon and round that is not a .22.  YOUR citations do not discuss semi automatics manufactured and specifically designed in accordance with the NFA so cvilians can buy them.  They are not variants of any weapon manufactured by Armalite or Colt.

So again, You narrative matches up with the citations you posted.  

As far as  your hardon for velocity that too is irrelevant because 3300 isn't even in the top ten FPS.  It was fast in 57 but not so much now.

Tiny,

There is no "1957 designed weapon"..

There is an AR-15, the product of the SCHV program.

One design, one family.


 

 

Yes, an Armalite Rifle 15 designed in the 50s that fired a 223 and was later designated the M16 after further changes.  Your citations (it is one article) tells us that.  Your welcome for providing to that you in the past.  As far as that weapon is concerned your citations are factual.  

It does not apply, say, to a DDMV series which was designed I/A/W the NFAs for sale to civilians.  

I am not sure what you are arguing now.

PS.  What was the difference in the lowers?  LMAO!

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 11:10 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 11:10 am

Yes, an Armalite Rifle 15 designed in the 50s that fired a 223 and was later designated the M16 after further changes.  Your citations (it is one article) tells us that.  Your welcome for providing to that you in the past.  As far as that weapon is concerned your citations are factual.  

It does not apply, say, to a DDMV series which was designed I/A/W the NFAs for sale to civilians.  

I am not sure what you are arguing now.

PS.  What was the difference in the lowers?  LMAO!

Why is it all **** and no citations?

PS.  What was the difference in the lowers?  LMAO!

Is the SP1 a distinct design?

Blackvegetable » 08 Sep 2022, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 11:12 am

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 11:10 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 11:10 am

Yes, an Armalite Rifle 15 designed in the 50s that fired a 223 and was later designated the M16 after further changes.  Your citations (it is one article) tells us that.  Your welcome for providing to that you in the past.  As far as that weapon is concerned your citations are factual.  

It does not apply, say, to a DDMV series which was designed I/A/W the NFAs for sale to civilians.  

I am not sure what you are arguing now.

PS.  What was the difference in the lowers?  LMAO!

Why is it all **** and no citations?

PS.  What was the difference in the lowers?  LMAO!

Is the SP1 a distinct design?

In appearance?  Nope.  In function and mechanics?  Yup.  Look at the lowers to start with. And the barrel.  The 5.56 had too much pressure to safely shoot the 5.56.  You have been provided this before. 

Why is it all **** and no citations?

I don't need a citation to see that your citations talk only of the Armalite AR 15/M16 and the round used.  And neither do you.  

  
 

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 11:20 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 11:20 am

In appearance?  Nope.  In function and mechanics?  Yup.  Look at the lowers to start with. And the barrel.  The 5.56 had too much pressure to safely shoot the 5.56.  You have been provided this before. 

Why is it all **** and no citations?

I don't need a citation to see that your citations talk only of the Armalite AR 15/M16 and the round used.  And neither do you.

This article describes the many variations of the Colt AR-15 and M16 rifle family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design

Blackvegetable » 08 Sep 2022, 11:21 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 11:21 am

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 11:20 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 11:20 am

In appearance?  Nope.  In function and mechanics?  Yup.  Look at the lowers to start with. And the barrel.  The 5.56 had too much pressure to safely shoot the 5.56.  You have been provided this before. 

Why is it all **** and no citations?

I don't need a citation to see that your citations talk only of the Armalite AR 15/M16 and the round used.  And neither do you.

This article describes the many variations of the Colt AR-15 and M16 rifle family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design

 

Yes that is correct. That article is about that. 

Here is the most important part of that sentence:

family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design.

Weapons like the DDM4 series are not part of the family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company nor is patterned by the original ArmaLite AR 15 design.  

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 11:26 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 11:26 am

Yes that is correct. That article is about that. 

Here is the most important part of that sentence:

family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design.

Weapons like the DDM4 series are not part of the family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company nor is patterned by the original ArmaLite AR 15 design.

Too many of the things you assert are false.


 

Blackvegetable » 08 Sep 2022, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 11:43 am

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 11:26 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 11:26 am

Yes that is correct. That article is about that. 

Here is the most important part of that sentence:

family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design.

Weapons like the DDM4 series are not part of the family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company nor is patterned by the original ArmaLite AR 15 design.

Too many of the things you assert are false.


 

 

There is no assertion in the post.  The same goes for Ruger, S & W, American Tactical Imports, etc.  

Your article does not discuss any of those.  

 

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 11:57 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 11:57 am

There is no assertion in the post.  The same goes for Ruger, S & W, American Tactical Imports, etc.  

Your article does not discuss any of those.

You'll need to define "assertion"

Blackvegetable » 08 Sep 2022, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 12:25 pm

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 11:57 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 11:57 am

There is no assertion in the post.  The same goes for Ruger, S & W, American Tactical Imports, etc.  

Your article does not discuss any of those.

You'll need to define "assertion"

 

I don't.  It is your accusation.  Not mine.  Unless you are saying your article is not about this:

This article describes the many variations of the Colt AR-15 and M16 rifle family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design

ANd that is not the most important part of what you posted.

It is telling you what the article I gave you a long time ago is  about that.

If you wish to contradict yourself I won't stop you. 



 

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 1:08 pm

I don't.  It is your accusation.  Not mine.  Unless you are saying your article is not about this:

This article describes the many variations of the Colt AR-15 and M16 rifle family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design

ANd that is not the most important part of what you posted.

It is telling you what the article I gave you a long time ago is  about that.

If you wish to contradict yourself I won't stop you.

But that isn't the entirety of your post, Zerointegrity 
 

Blackvegetable » 08 Sep 2022, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 1:29 pm

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 1:08 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 1:08 pm

I don't.  It is your accusation.  Not mine.  Unless you are saying your article is not about this:

This article describes the many variations of the Colt AR-15 and M16 rifle family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design

ANd that is not the most important part of what you posted.

It is telling you what the article I gave you a long time ago is  about that.

If you wish to contradict yourself I won't stop you.

But that isn't the entirety of your post, Zerointegrity 
 

 

You do what you gotta do.  Either discuss it, post your definition, or shut up about it. 

And next don't be so general.  What causes the issues with you is your Drama playing lawyer AND the fact you refuse to be specific.  I can't debate if you are afraid to say what we are debating about.

As far as I am concerned there is nothing left to debate.  THere is nothing in your citations speaking about modern day semi auto sports rifles.  
 

Huey » 08 Sep 2022, 1:36 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 1:36 pm

You do what you gotta do.  Either discuss it, post your definition, or shut up about it. 

And next don't be so general.  What causes the issues with you is your Drama playing lawyer AND the fact you refuse to be specific.  I can't debate if you are afraid to say what we are debating about.

As far as I am concerned there is nothing left to debate.  THere is nothing in your citations speaking about modern day semi auto sports rifles.

Here is the most important part of that sentence:

Assertion.

Weapons like the DDM4 series are not part of the family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company nor is patterned by the original ArmaLite AR 15 design.  

Assertion.



**** idiot.