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why did hitler hate the jews?
why did hitler hate the jews?
By FOS
3 Sep 2022 10:54 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
4 Sep 2022 12:39 am
Perhaps. But wise people cater to their audience who aren't always wise to one's unique definition, whether it be wise or not.FOS » 04 Sep 2022, 12:34 am » wrote: ↑ it is not merely preference. wise people construct wise definitions.
And when discussing economics it is wise to keep it grounded in economics and not social aspects. A consistent basis grounded in production and distribution of wealth.
4 Sep 2022 12:41 am
LibDave » 04 Sep 2022, 12:39 am » wrote: ↑ Perhaps. But wise people cater to their audience who aren't always wise to one's unique definition, whether it be wise or not.
im an intellectual, not a politician. i suppose i could lie and be more persuasive, and goebbles was great at that. but i have a different role. That is what humanity is all about...we have different roles. that is why socialism is superior.
4 Sep 2022 12:45 am
LibDave » 04 Sep 2022, 12:39 am » wrote: ↑ Perhaps. But wise people cater to their audience who aren't always wise to one's unique definition, whether it be wise or not.
And when discussing economics it is wise to keep it grounded in economics and not social aspects. A consistent basis grounded in production and distribution of wealth.
how to distribute money is no different from how to distribute power. ill give money to my friends and take money from my enemies. the very idea that economics can possibly be separated from culture or power is a stupid meme generated by jews who were uncomfortable about being noticed.
4 Sep 2022 12:46 am
LibDave » 04 Sep 2022, 12:39 am » wrote: ↑
And when discussing economics it is wise to keep it grounded in economics and not social aspects. A consistent basis grounded in production and distribution of wealth.
the problem is that economic systems are a direct manifestation of the society that constructs them, a racially homogenous society can create just and prosperous economies, but as diversity creeps in, the functionality of economics declines commensurately.
4 Sep 2022 12:47 am
SJConspirator » 04 Sep 2022, 12:46 am » wrote: ↑ the problem is that economic systems are a direct manifestation of the society that constructs them, a racially homogenous society can create just and prosperous economies, but as diversity creeps in, the functionality of economics declines commensurately.
economics cannot be separated from power nor from culture. to pretend otherwise is akin to pretending that a dove could fly more quickly in a vacuum
4 Sep 2022 12:49 am
Economics do not exist in a stasis or a vacuum. The problem of economies a century ago (scarcity) no longer even exists . To speak as if economics can be the same now as they were a thousand years ago is just ignorance.
4 Sep 2022 12:54 am
Those I consider the most influential economists from the 18, 19th and 20th centuries, like Adams, Marx, Malthus etc.. they did not seem to predict the incredible impact of automation and techno abundance. The only one who did is Henry George, which is why his books are the only ones from that time that still matter.FOS » 04 Sep 2022, 12:47 am » wrote: ↑ economics cannot be separated from power nor from culture. to pretend otherwise is akin to pretending that a dove could fly more quickly in a vacuum
4 Sep 2022 12:57 am
SJConspirator » 04 Sep 2022, 12:54 am » wrote: ↑ Those I consider the most influential economists from the 18, 19th and 20th centuries, like Adams, Marx, Malthus etc.. they did not seem to predict the incredible impact of automation and techno abundance. The only one who did is Henry George, which is why his books are the only ones that still matter from that time.
we have had this argument before. I think henry george failed to account for the shortening of distance thanks to technological advances in transportation. But we can agree to disagree on that.
fundamentally i think human natural instincts would be good enough for politics, except that technology changes things. Old instincts become obsolete. on that more general premise, we can agree.
4 Sep 2022 1:02 am
FOS » 04 Sep 2022, 12:57 am » wrote: ↑ we have had this argument before. I think henry george failed to account for the shortening of distance thanks to technological advances in transportation. But we can agree to disagree on that.
fundamentally i think human natural instincts would be good enough for politics, except that technology changes things. Old instincts become obsolete. on that more general premise, we can agree.
I emphasize this point because it seems so often overlooked. I will use shoes to make a point, but you could use literally any consumer good, service or commodity that exists and the point holds true.
when Adam Smith wrote wealth of nations, there was probably one shoe that existed for every 100 human feet on earth. When the Communist manifesto was written, there was maybe 5.
Now there is 10,000 shoes for every foot. That transition from scarcity to abundance is either hard for people to grasp, or they just want to remain comfortably ignorant, but it renders nearly all the old works on economics useless.
4 Sep 2022 1:08 am
marx himself did make very good points about how the bourgeois will naturally resist technological improvement. there were people who did at least touch on this subject.SJConspirator » 04 Sep 2022, 1:02 am » wrote: ↑ I emphasize this point because it seems so often overlooked. I will use shoes to make a point, but you could use literally any consumer good, service or commodity that exists and the point holds true.
when Adam Smith wrote wealth of nations, there was probably one shoe that existed for every 100 human feet on earth. When the Communist manifesto was written, there was maybe 5.
Now there is 10,000 shoes for every foot. That transition from scarcity to abundance is either hard for people to grasp, or they just want to remain comfortably ignorant, but it renders nearly all the old works on economics useless.
but you can say x number of people exist today and forget that it may be totally different from the number of people who will exist in 5 years. populations change.
automation is a very difficult subject. if automation turns people into morlocks, as hg wells predicted in the time machine, then i must say i find it spiritually unacceptable.
but wow...thats a big subject. need a whole new thread to tackle that. And i have a lot of conflicting feelings about it with a lot of nuance and i am not confident of any prediction about it.
4 Sep 2022 1:22 am
FOS » 04 Sep 2022, 1:08 am » wrote: ↑ marx himself did make very good points about how the bourgeois will naturally resist technological improvement. there were people who did at least touch on this subject.
but you can say x number of people exist today and forget that it may be totally different from the number of people who will exist in 5 years. populations change.
automation is a very difficult subject. if automation turns people into morlocks, as hg wells predicted in the time machine, then i must say i find it spiritually unacceptable.
but wow...thats a big subject. need a whole new thread to tackle that. And i have a lot of conflicting feelings about it with a lot of nuance and i am not confident of any prediction about it.
Automation displaces workers (bank tellers, cashiers, factory workers, assembly lines etc.) while simultaneously increasing production tenfold. This results in massive surplus of every commodity, while decreasing the number of wage earners who can afford to buy them.
That is the paradox of abundance, the “crisis of capitalism” and it all but guarantees there will be some sort of UBI eventually
https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index. ... -headache/
4 Sep 2022 1:25 am
SJConspirator » 04 Sep 2022, 1:22 am » wrote: ↑ Automation displaces workers (bank tellers, cashiers, factory workers, assembly lines etc.) while simultaneously increasing production tenfold. This results in massive surplus of every commodity, while decreasing the number of wage earners who can afford to buy them.
That is the paradox of abundance, the “crisis of capitalism” and it all but guarantees there will be some sort of UBI eventually
https://www.colombotelegraph.com/index. ... -headache/
something has to be done about it eventually, but i am not merely afraid of economic consequences. i am afraid of cultural consequences. we must not become all lazy deadbeats.
4 Sep 2022 1:30 am
this is a big reason why i have a special love of the amish. as weak and frankly absurd i consider their religion to be, they could save us from this sort of technological possession that has very evil consequences.
no morlocks.
no morlocks.
4 Sep 2022 1:33 am
FOS » 04 Sep 2022, 1:30 am » wrote: ↑ this is a big reason why i have a special love of the amish. as weak and frankly absurd i consider their religion to be, they could save us from this sort of technological possession that has very evil consequences.
no morlocks.
same. I also like the unabomber manifesto
4 Sep 2022 1:41 am
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOfZLb33uCg
5 Sep 2022 7:49 am
The modern version of American socialism is bailouts, first the wealthy then the poor receive the scraps.SJConspirator » 04 Sep 2022, 12:00 am » wrote: ↑ socialism, at its most basic, is simply sharing. A family unit is socialist, unless you make the kids pay rent to the parents when they are toddlers.
Families are socialist within their own households. They share a roof, they share expenses. Extended families can be extremely socialist as well, as shown by communities like Mennonite and Amish villages. This is where race comes into the equation.
All members of a race can be thought of as distant relatives, but cross racially, not so much. Naziism, (National socialism) means extending socialist policies toward an entire state, and keeping that state racially pure, so that citizens can be unified in efforts and achieve great things.
The modern version of U.S. socialism, where socialist programs are applied across all sorts of racial and cultural barriers, is dysfunctional. Individualism is incompatible with socialism, Hence our inability to build anything anymore, or have any kind of cooperation (collectivism).
In nations where there is racial homogeneity, socialism works fine. That is why Japan has universal health care and we don’t.
When you throw a blanket on all socialism and say it all sucks, you are actually saying that any and all cooperation among humans is terrible. By your logic, we should have never built the interstate highway system or put a man on the moon.
Republicans are so concerned that the poor will receive money and become reliant but they never see how the rich greedily take waaaay more from the till.
We are a greedy people that’s why socialism will not work here. But my generation will change that.
5 Sep 2022 8:23 am
Very interesting thread, folks.
Until #36 that is...
Thanks for the wonderful display of opinion.
I'm better for it.
Until #36 that is...
Thanks for the wonderful display of opinion.
I'm better for it.
Please seat yourself.
I like the very things you hate.
I like the very things you hate.
5 Sep 2022 8:33 am
Several fine comments in this thread. The above isn't one. People agreed with Hitler because they were intoxicated, and could overlook the ridiculous thing under his nose. Hitler was like a magnified Trump, or Trump a weak imitation of Hitler and a fake in every other way, but a pied paper nevertheless to almost half his country.FOS » 04 Sep 2022, 12:29 am » wrote: ↑ hitler was a great man whose words spoke for themselves. People agreed with him because he was correct...not because he had a handsome mustache.
Hitler's words struck their chords less because they "spoke for themselves" than because it was Hitler who said them.
5 Sep 2022 8:47 am
Of course, this is a Hitler thread so it’s all about scapegoating race.DeezerShoove » 05 Sep 2022, 8:23 am » wrote: ↑ Very interesting thread, folks.
Until #36 that is...
Thanks for the wonderful display of opinion.
I'm better for it.
5 Sep 2022 9:34 am
The Great Depression caused an almost permanent crisis in Germany. The Country was ruled under emergency powers (by decree). Germany was deeply divided between the Left and the Right. The German people were mentally depressed after losing WWI.
Any of this sounding familiar???
Among other things Hitler used the Jews as an escape goat to bring the German people together.
biden is trying the same trick, by saying MAGA is a threat to democracy and anyone who votes for Trump is a "while supremist"
... but like all things brandon touches ... it turns to **** ...
Any of this sounding familiar???
Among other things Hitler used the Jews as an escape goat to bring the German people together.
biden is trying the same trick, by saying MAGA is a threat to democracy and anyone who votes for Trump is a "while supremist"
... but like all things brandon touches ... it turns to **** ...
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