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ScottMon » 05 Sep 2022, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 1:07 pm

Pretty sure Hitler brought all that **** on himself.  He and his cohorts had easy pickins when he played on the sympathy of the downtrodden Germans.

you have departed entirely from rational thought. You said you should not blame others for your problems. Well jews therefore should not blame the nazis for the holocaust.

Pastafarian » 05 Sep 2022, 8:47 am » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 8:47 am

Of course, this is a Hitler thread so it’s all about scapegoating race.

You live in misery.

DeezerShoove » 05 Sep 2022, 1:37 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 1:37 pm

You live in misery.

^^^drama queen. 
 

Pastafarian » 05 Sep 2022, 1:46 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 1:46 pm

^^^drama queen.

     
America so mean to me...

FOS » 05 Sep 2022, 10:40 am » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 10:40 am

dude this is just the steven speilberg version of history. Im pretty sure you think this only because you were told to. Have you actually read any of his speeches? he made some very good points and was an insightful and original thinker. Probably one of the most intelligent leaders in world history. The allied leaders, in contrast, would just speak a lot of stupid platitudes

Political leaders do not gain control of minds because they make good speeches or are original thinkers. Hitler was extraordinarily charismatic. It is lost in ancient news reels. Much better is a photograph I've seen of Hitler from well before the war. He's sitting at a table, evidently speaking to ten or so college age looking kids at the table with him. Every eye is on him and the expression on every face is one of transported awe. Don't think what moved them to that degree were his "very good points".
 

jack » 05 Sep 2022, 1:57 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 1:57 pm

Political leaders do not gain control of minds because they make good speeches or are original thinkers. Hitler was extraordinarily charismatic. It is lost in ancient news reels. Much better is a photograph I've seen of Hitler from well before the war. He's sitting at a table, evidently speaking to ten or so college age looking kids at the table with him. Every eye is on him and the expression on every face is one of transported awe. Don't think what moved them to that degree were his "very good points".

how many hitler speeches have you read?

FOS » 05 Sep 2022, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 1:11 pm

you have departed entirely from rational thought. You said you should not blame others for your problems. Well jews therefore should not blame the nazis for the holocaust.

Let me rephrase, Hitler and his ilk were directly responsible for the mass executions of Jews and others in Germany, Poland, France and many other countries.  They will be blamed because their actions were deliberate and had consequences.  

 Otherwise, I am not going to blame a shadowy non-existent cabal for the fact that there's nothing on Tv I want to watch.
 

ScottMon » 05 Sep 2022, 2:13 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 2:13 pm

Let me rephrase, Hitler and his ilk were directly responsible for the mass executions of Jews and others in Germany, Poland, France and many other countries.  They will be blamed because their actions were deliberate and had consequences.  

 Otherwise, I am not going to blame a shadowy non-existent cabal for the fact that there's nothing on Tv I want to watch.

you dont believe that cabals can possibly exist?

FOS » 05 Sep 2022, 2:18 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 2:18 pm

you dont believe that cabals can possibly exist?

Because everyone is too **** greedy to let anyone else stay in power for long. 
 

ScottMon » 05 Sep 2022, 2:21 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 2:21 pm

Because everyone is too **** greedy to let anyone else stay in power for long. 

is that a joke? You don't think humanity has ever had a long lasting dynasty?

FOS » 05 Sep 2022, 2:51 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 2:51 pm

is that a joke? You don't think humanity has ever had a long lasting dynasty?

Secret cabals have a very short lifespan.  There's always a deep throat.  
 

SJConspirator » 04 Sep 2022, 12:28 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2022, 12:28 am

The globalist nature (and absurdity) of Marxism is revealed at the end of the Communist Manifesto, in the phrase “workers of the world unite”.  The benefits of socialism weaken as its scale of operations grows, hence Globalism is inherently anti-socialism.
Marxism was a globalist ideology from the start, globalism requires international finance.. I.e. Jews

Are you actually claiming that there are no multinational finance sources but those controlled by JEWS?
If so, you are simply ignorant.

Xavier_Onassis » 05 Sep 2022, 2:54 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 2:54 pm

Are you actually claiming that there are no multinational finance sources but those controlled by JEWS?
Are you claiming that labor unions require funding by financial institutions, rather than membership dues?
If so, you are simply ignorant.
 

 

Hitler is dead and gone, and good riddance to bad rubbish. His actions destroyed most of Europe and resulted in the death of many millions of Germans and the shrinking, partition and division of Germany for 45 years.
 

ScottMon » 05 Sep 2022, 2:52 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Sep 2022, 2:52 pm

Secret cabals have a very short lifespan.  There's always a deep throat.

Right...that's why the freemasons didn't last more than 5 years or so...

LibDave » 03 Sep 2022, 11:48 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2022, 11:48 pm

1 Capitalism - You earn according to the value of your input towards production. Equal opportunity not equal outcomes.  Free enterprise and freedom to enter into private contracts.
 

You have a worthless definition right there. It lumps Bob's Barbecue Joint in with Microsoft and Apple: all "capitalism." You might as well be lumping lions with lambs, on the argument that herbivores and carnivores are all "vores."

You lack a common sense distinction between two ENTIRELY discrete types of commercial ventures operating in entirely discrete markets. One relies on monies generated and regulated by a government licensed trading board, and the other got their start on a home loan and three different credit cards.

One is managed by employees from the mail room to the board room and the office of CEO. The other is owner-operated. In one, the employees can get big bonuses in years when the company lost money - on the argument that it lost far less than it would have, if not for the geniuses being bonused. In the other? Not so **** much. 

One has the government enforcing it - the other has the government systematically suppressing, over-taxing, and bullying it. 

Bobs Barbecue SERVES the market to dominate the competition. Microsoft CORNERS the market to dominate the customer. 

When you lump such discrete ventures under a single umbrella, you are the very last person who should be putting himself forward to define terms - think about that. 

I define the state sponsored, state licensed, state regulated and state enforced market model that happens on wall street as capitalism, and I define the organic business practices undertaken on main street as FREE ENTERPRISE.

Your failure to make such distinctions leaves you with a taxonomy so clunky that a nail salon and Amazon show up in it as peers. Now, tell us: HOW IS THAT USEFUL?
 

LibDave » 03 Sep 2022, 11:48 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Sep 2022, 11:48 pm

2 Socialism - 100% taxation (essentially confiscation of production) to be distributed evenly or according to the perceived needs by the government. Everyone receive an equal share of the produce regardless of who contributed to the production of those goods and services.
 

Where does that leave us with Singapore? The government owns 25% of the entire market. Socialism?

Your problem is that 100% thing. Life is more nuanced.

 

LibDave » 04 Sep 2022, 12:04 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2022, 12:04 am

Distinction of scale.  But when referring to economic systems of entire nations its a good basis.  Distinguishing by scale and demographic merely confuses the issues more.

FAILING to do so cofusum issues - ignorum issues.

LibDave » 04 Sep 2022, 12:04 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2022, 12:04 am

Remember, most have not devoted as much time as you and I towards and understanding of this topic.

That is the problem. No fixum by putting up withum.

FOS » 04 Sep 2022, 12:18 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2022, 12:18 am

i mean you can sit there and make assertions, but your own world view is full of internal contradictions while mine are not.

For starters, a taxonomy which puts Millie's Mobile Poodle Parlor and UPS into one enormous category is pretty **** useless. 

 
 

LibDave » 04 Sep 2022, 12:20 am » wrote: ↑

04 Sep 2022, 12:20 am

I of course then paid her the 20$.  But they never forgot what socialism is and why it doesn't work.  I explained to her, you think socialism is bad when you're dealing with just the size of your family?  Imagine how little you would have gotten if I split it just among the 200 people in the neighborhood.  Any attempt to increase your earnings would have netted you 10 cents.  And what about at the municipal or national level.  Under socialism there is no hope.  Nothing but despair.  No amount of effort on your part to improve your lot in life results in more than a 1000th of a penny's worth of reward.  It definitely does fail with scale very quickly.

Germany dominated most of europe and northern africa and kept the world at bay for four years under socialism. Under socialism, hitler brought people from too-broke-to-buy-shoes to being able to purchase cars and trucks, AND built new, state of the art highways to drive them on - all while fighting a multi-front war. 

It sounds like your lesson was over-simplistic.