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jack » 08 Sep 2022, 9:30 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 9:30 am

Did the UK, USSR and USA make that accusation in anything other than war propaganda at the time? And who are these national spokespersons you reference?
Seems to me you're manufacturing an argument in order to win it.

are you **** serious?

Skans » 08 Sep 2022, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 9:20 am

Nazi Germany wanted to forcefully conquer most of Europe.  Are you really denying that?

yes

Xavier_Onassis » 08 Sep 2022, 8:33 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 8:33 am

In 1939, Poland was not doing anything that would justify Germany invading it.
Hitler was a **** warmonger.
His model for the Reich was to create a German version of the British Empire.
He spoke about Germany getting back its colonies in Togo, Cameroon, Southwest Africa (now Namibia) and Tanganyika (now Tanzania).

You are not only a neo Nazi but a very poorly informed one.
Hitler's Reich was a **** disater for the people of Europe, Germany in particular.

you have no idea what you are talking about. poland did not even exist until after ww1

jack » 08 Sep 2022, 9:30 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 9:30 am

Did the UK, USSR and USA make that accusation in anything other than war propaganda at the time? And who are these national spokespersons you reference?
Seems to me you're manufacturing an argument in order to win it.

Hitler was not at all shy about his goals. His plan was to create a German version of the British Empire.
Hitler was a copycat.
He saw Ford and the Model T as a game changer.
He decided to do the same, and enlisted Porsche to create the VW  Originally the "Kraft durch Freude". =strength through joy.
Hitler heard about the Pennsylvania Turnpike, and built the Autobahns.
He realized that  the US had become strong due to slave labor, so he enslaved Poles, Russians and others to work in German-owned factories.
He wanted Germany to be the next World Empire, and his model was the British Empire.
He actually SAID ALL OF THIS.

Xavier_Onassis » 08 Sep 2022, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 9:47 am

Hitler was not at all shy about his goals. His plan was to create a German version of the British Empire.
Hitler was a copycat.
He saw Ford and the Model T as a game changer.
He decided to do the same, and enlisted Porsche to create the VW  Originally the "Kraft durch Freude". =strength through joy.
Hitler heard about the Pennsylvania Turnpike, and built the Autobahns.
He realized that  the US had become strong due to slave labor, so he enslaved Poles, Russians and others to work in German-owned factories.
He wanted Germany to be the next World Empire, and his model was the British Empire.
He actually SAID ALL OF THIS.

he actually said none of that

Xavier_Onassis » 08 Sep 2022, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 9:47 am

Hitler was not at all shy about his goals. His plan was to create a German version of the British Empire.
Hitler was a copycat.
He saw Ford and the Model T as a game changer.
He decided to do the same, and enlisted Porsche to create the VW  Originally the "Kraft durch Freude". =strength through joy.
Hitler heard about the Pennsylvania Turnpike, and built the Autobahns.
He realized that  the US had become strong due to slave labor, so he enslaved Poles, Russians and others to work in German-owned factories.
He wanted Germany to be the next World Empire, and his model was the British Empire.
He actually SAID ALL OF THIS.

you are totally talking out of your ***. cite anything from hitler even remotely supporting any of your crap. go ahead. or admit you are making this up

FOS » 08 Sep 2022, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 9:45 am

yes

I think it is quite clear from Hitler's actions that he wanted to conquer most of Europe.  But, you are free to argue otherwise.
 

Skans » 08 Sep 2022, 10:05 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:05 am

I think it is quite clear from Hitler's actions that he wanted to conquer most of Europe.  But, you are free to argue otherwise.

what actions?

FOS » 08 Sep 2022, 10:03 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:03 am

you are totally talking out of your ***. cite anything from hitler even remotely supporting any of your crap. go ahead. or admit you are making this up

I speak the truth, you vile Nazi idiot.
You are clueless and know nothing,

Xavier_Onassis » 08 Sep 2022, 10:08 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:08 am

I speak the truth, you vile Nazi idiot.
You are clueless and know nothing,

so you cant cite anything. didnt think so

FOS » 08 Sep 2022, 10:08 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:08 am

what actions?

Hitler invaded and took Poland.
Hitler's occupation of Norway
Hitler's occupation of Denmark
Hitler's occupation of Holland
Hitler's occupation of Belgium
Hitler's treaty with Italy and Mussolini's (and Hitler's) invasion of Greece
Hitler's invasion of North Africa
Hitler's invasion of the Balkans.
Hitler's invasion of Yugoslavia.
Hitler's invasion of Russia
Hitler's invasion and occupation of France.
Hitler's attempted invasion of England - Operation Sealion

I'm sure I left a few out of the list, but that's more than enough to support what I said.




 

Skans » 08 Sep 2022, 10:23 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:23 am

Hitler invaded and took Poland.
Hitler's occupation of Norway
Hitler's occupation of Denmark
Hitler's occupation of Holland
Hitler's occupation of Belgium
Hitler's treaty with Italy and Mussolini's (and Hitler's) invasion of Greece
Hitler's invasion of North Africa
Hitler's invasion of the Balkans.
Hitler's invasion of Yugoslavia.
Hitler's invasion of Russia
Hitler's invasion and occupation of France.
Hitler's attempted invasion of England - Operation Sealion

I'm sure I left a few out of the list, but that's more than enough to support what I said.

hitler demanded danzig, a german city, from poland. poland refused. hitler halted invasion twice when poland pretended it was willing to negotiate...but they ultimately would not negotiate.

hitler therefore invaded poland, and the uk and france declared war on him. 

the rest was obviously necessary to survive war with the uk and france.

FOS » 08 Sep 2022, 10:25 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:25 am

hitler demanded danzig, a german city, from poland. poland refused.
 

Hitler had not right to make such a demand. If those Germans wanted to be a part of Hitler's Germany, they could have left Poland and relocated in Germany.

hitler halted invasion twice when poland pretended it was willing to negotiate

And so?  This does not negate a thing I said.
 

the rest was obviously necessary to survive

False.

Skans » 08 Sep 2022, 10:27 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:27 am

Hitler had not right to make such a demand. If those Germans wanted to be a part of Hitler's Germany, they could have left Poland and relocated in Germany.

And so?  This does not negate a thing I said.

False.

i dont really care if you think hitler had a 'right' to take danzig. clearly he wanted to unite all ethnic germans under his banner. THat is not most of europe.

of the rest...what invasion was not necessary? explain this...pick one...

Xavier_Onassis » 08 Sep 2022, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 9:47 am

Hitler was not at all shy about his goals. His plan was to create a German version of the British Empire.
Hitler was a copycat.
He saw Ford and the Model T as a game changer.
He decided to do the same, and enlisted Porsche to create the VW  Originally the "Kraft durch Freude". =strength through joy.
Hitler heard about the Pennsylvania Turnpike, and built the Autobahns.
He realized that  the US had become strong due to slave labor, so he enslaved Poles, Russians and others to work in German-owned factories.
He wanted Germany to be the next World Empire, and his model was the British Empire.
He actually SAID ALL OF THIS.

A little different from conquering the world. Even at its height the British Empire existed with other powers, won sometimes, lost sometimes, minded its own business sometimes. We owe them giving up after Yorktown to their problems across the ocean with France.

FOS » 08 Sep 2022, 10:30 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:30 am

i dont really care if you think hitler had a 'right' to take danzig. clearly he wanted to unite all ethnic germans under his banner. THat is not most of europe.
 

False.  He wanted Poland and intended to take it by force.  Whatever bogus pretext he used didn't matter.   If he simply wanted to unite ethnic Germans, he could have used far less resources to voluntarily relocate all of those living in Poland who wanted to be part of Germany. 
 

Skans » 08 Sep 2022, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:32 am

False.  He wanted Poland and intended to take it by force.  Whatever bogus pretext he used didn't matter.   If he simply wanted to unite ethnic Germans, he could have used far less resources to voluntarily relocate all of those living in Poland who wanted to be part of Germany.

no...he wanted danzig. he would not want to have a lot of polish citizens in germany.

jack » 08 Sep 2022, 10:31 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:31 am

A little different from conquering the world. Even at its height the British Empire existed with other powers, won sometimes, lost sometimes, minded its own business sometimes. We owe them giving up after Yorktown to their problems across the ocean with France.

wrong. the british empire NEVER minded its own business

FOS » 08 Sep 2022, 10:34 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:34 am

no...he wanted danzig. he would not want to have a lot of polish citizens in germany.

He wanted all of Poland and took it.  You are just repeating yourself.  Hitler did not need to take most of Europe by force to help Germans living in Danzig. That is complete nonsense.  Like I said, he could have simply relocated those who wanted those who wanted to go to Germany.  No.  Hitler wanted most of Europe.  He felt entitled to it, and campaigned on this to his own people based upon the defeat Germany suffered after WWI.
 

Skans » 08 Sep 2022, 10:39 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 10:39 am

He wanted all of Poland and took it.  You are just repeating yourself.  Hitler did not need to take most of Europe by force to help Germans living in Danzig. That is complete nonsense.  Like I said, he could have simply relocated those who wanted those who wanted to go to Germany.  No.  Hitler wanted most of Europe.  He felt entitled to it, and campaigned on this to his own people based upon the defeat Germany suffered after WWI.

he did not want all of poland. that contradicts national socialism. his political model requires ethnic homogeneity...having a bunch of poles around would ruin germany. what conquests the nazis did was out of necessity because they were at war. poland wanted war, the nazis had to force capitulation. The ussr also invaded poland at the same time...and hitler obviously had to maintain control over territory that divided the ussr from germany. its quite simple.