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ConsRule » 07 Sep 2022, 5:09 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 5:09 pm

Act like (and read like) an adult and you might get, what you consider, an adult response.

It was more adult than you deserved.

I meant for "Actual Dollars spent".

Just sayin'.


 

ConsRule » 07 Sep 2022, 5:11 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 5:11 pm

Government...compared to 7% in the private sector.

They must be counting non-government workers who work indirectly for the government.  For instance all government workers are union.  For instance if you work at NASA as a government employee you are unionized.  AFL/CIO I believe. NASA doesn't actually DO anything anymore.  They control the money and decide who gets what.  Lots of graft.  They fund private industries like lets say Orbital and Orbital does the actual work.  They count those people as working for the government.

They do this as a matter of rule now because during Reagan they discovered government employees were actually twice as expensive as private when you consider benefits and all.

And yes, 37% administrative overhead sounds about right for the government.
Not so during the Apollo missions, making their accomplishments all the more astounding.  Back then they did it for patriotic reasons and to beat the Russians to the moon as per Kennedy's dictate.

LibDave » 07 Sep 2022, 5:17 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 5:17 pm

They must be counting non-government workers who work indirectly for the government.  For instance all government workers are union.  For instance if you work at NASA as a government employee you are unionized.  AFL/CIO I believe. NASA doesn't actually DO anything anymore.  They control the money and decide who gets what.  Lots of graft.  They fund private industries like lets say Orbital and Orbital does the actual work.  They count those people as working for the government.

They do this as a matter of rule now because during Reagan they discovered government employees were actually twice as expensive as private when you consider benefits and all.

If you don't believe their numbers...take it up with them.

However, people on active duty in the military work for the federal government...and I don't think they are part of a union (at least none of the family member I have that are veterans were in a union).  So there goes your "every government employee is unionized" claim.
 

ConsRule » 07 Sep 2022, 5:22 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 5:22 pm

If you don't believe their numbers...take it up with them.

However, people on active duty in the military work for the federal government...and I don't think they are part of a union (at least none of the family member I have that are veterans were in a union).  So there goes your "every government employee is unionized" claim.

True dat.  Would also depend on how they are counted.  Not sure what data you have or how everyone was accounted for.  Just know the actual government guys I have worked with at NASA and Defense are all union.  And then they have a bunch of people contracted out to work with them.  The government guys are union and those they contract out to do the work are usually not.
 

LibDave » 07 Sep 2022, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 1:19 pm

Subjects and debate on here are far too trifling.  It digresses to continuous response streams of little more than name calling.

How about a substantive thread.  For example expenditures.

What are your priorities for government spending and cuts?  Do we need more or less government?

Defense
Entitlements (SS, Welfare, Food Stamps, etc.)
Roads
Education
IRS
NASA
etc.  List your favorite and least favorite.

none of this crap matters until jewish power is defeated so that we can construct a real country

Okay, I read through the data. The numbers listed are 37.6% of public sector jobs are union. By the description this includes indirect non-government employees who work for the government on government contracts. For instance if you are working at Space-Ex on a rocket paid for by NASA you are considered a public sector worker.  Or cleaning the bathrooms at NASA under contract for that matter.

It doesn't mention military anywhere.
 
I forgot how we got sidetracked on that even.  Anyway, remember years ago many of the government guys I worked with found out they were in a union after having worked for the government for more than a decade.  They were shocked.  Many were the most anti-union people you've ever met.  They were quite pissed about it.  Talk about a racket.  Getting paid to head up a union  your members don't even know you exist?

FOS » 07 Sep 2022, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 5:39 pm

none of this crap matters until jewish power is defeated so that we can construct a real country

I'm going to have to start blocking you if you have nothing more to contribute other than, "Jew This, Jew That, Fascism This, Fascism That, Hitler was a nice guy" crap!


No matter the subject he always sees it as related to how wonderful a guy Hitler was.  The subject could be plumbing and he would say, "Well you know Hitler had the most cost effective means of dealing with leaky pipes through the use of Fascism".

You better trust yourself !
The government is not here for the us, the people !

No matter what the agreement . . . the govvie is here for itself and will **** us one way or the other !
Call it inflation, deflation, stagnation . . . whatever !

There is a reason it's MANDATORY to pay into the SS system !

The hook and crook trick !

Politicians come, make some **** and disappear into oblivion !
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Only the occasional one who disrupts the SWAMP, may make a difference . . . and suffer the consequences !
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Even the French Revolution did not change **** !
Even though they decapitated quite a whole bunch of them elite SWAMP !
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Look at Macron . . . if he doesn't deserve to be Guillotined . . . I don't know who does !

JinnMartini » 07 Sep 2022, 6:24 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 6:24 pm

You better trust yourself !
The government is not here for the us, the people !

No matter what the agreement . . . the govvie is here for itself and will **** us one way or the other !
Call it inflation, deflation, stagnation . . . whatever !

There is a reason it's MANDATORY to pay into the SS system !

The hook and crook trick !

Politicians come, make some **** and disappear into oblivion !
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Only the occasional one who disrupts the SWAMP, may make a difference . . . and suffer the consequences !
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Even the French Revolution did not change **** !
Even though they decapitated quite a whole bunch of them elite SWAMP !
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Look at Macron . . . if he doesn't deserve to be Guillotined . . . I don't know who does !

Yes I see your point.  Looney!  How long is it going to take Canada to fix that?

Oh and the Postal office. Reduce that budget by 100%.

LibDave » 07 Sep 2022, 6:23 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 6:23 pm

I'm going to have to start blocking you if you have nothing more to contribute other than, "Jew This, Jew That, Fascism This, Fascism That, Hitler was a nice guy" crap!

No matter the subject he always sees it as related to how wonderful a guy Hitler was.  The subject could be plumbing and he would say, "Well you know Hitler had the most cost effective means of dealing with leaky pipes through the use of Fascism".

Well just like many people during the interwar period...including many highly intelligent people (and not all of them fascist)...I see Jewish control of finance and media (and now education) to be the main source of all of our current problems.

You can go ahead and try to argue that I am wrong...but you aren't even trying. If instead I am correct then it of course is a huge deal and should be brought up all the time. 

B.Seeisashill » 07 Sep 2022, 1:21 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 1:21 pm

It's funny how so many casually use the word "entitlements" without any shame.

If you are not entitled to life and liberty, then kill yourself.

feel more entitled now?

LibDave » 07 Sep 2022, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 1:19 pm

Subjects and debate on here are far too trifling.  It digresses to continuous response streams of little more than name calling.

How about a substantive thread.  For example expenditures.

What are your priorities for government spending and cuts?  Do we need more or less government?

Defense
Entitlements (SS, Welfare, Food Stamps, etc.)
Roads
Education
IRS
NASA
etc.  List your favorite and least favorite.

when your priors are to create and spread human misery, and mine are to create prosperity, we will of course have opposite ideas about all these issues
 

SJConspirator » 07 Sep 2022, 11:33 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 11:33 pm

when your priors are to create and spread human misery, and mine are to create prosperity, we will of course have opposite ideas about all these issues

when your priors are to create and spread human misery, and mine are to create prosperity,

Niggie, please...

Blackvegetable » 08 Sep 2022, 5:37 am » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 5:37 am

Niggie, please...

https://youtu.be/o1zWM7FgcGA

LibDave » 07 Sep 2022, 1:47 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 1:47 pm

Good list.  Best discussion on here to date.  Concrete examples.  I like that.  You have my vote.

I have recommended some very deep cuts in the Budget.  Why?  Because, not only is there a tremendous amount of waste, but lots of money is not being diverted into programs and pay-backs to political supporters which the American People would never authorize if we gave The People a line-item budget veto.

Our Government could run just fine with the massive cuts that I have suggested.  The one change is that a lot of unqualified people will immediately be terminated from their government jobs.  We would have massive unemployment.  Wages would need to be reduced to get these people employed in some capacity, and we would enter a deflationary period. 

If we had a President who really believed in bringing industry back to the US, these people could be repurposed into these industries. China still floods the US, and the World with tools, drugs, electronics and cheap machinery.  There is no reason we can't be producing these things in the US.
 

LibDave » 07 Sep 2022, 6:32 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 6:32 pm

Yes I see your point.  Looney!  How long is it going to take Canada to fix that?

Canada won't fix **** !

Not with this pedophile Trudeau at the rudder !
 

GHETTOBLASTER » 07 Sep 2022, 2:03 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 2:03 pm

I never took the time to figure out what my "break even" age is..but regardless of how well the fund is managed...this is not an "entitlement"

You contributed money to the fund, with the expectation that you would not be penniless when retired.
Therefore you are ENTITLED to receive SS when you retire or are disabled, according to the rules.

How is that NOT an Entitlement?

Xavier_Onassis » 08 Sep 2022, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑

08 Sep 2022, 12:26 pm

You contributed money to the fund, with the expectation that you would not be penniless when retired.
Therefore you are ENTITLED to receive SS when you retire or are disabled, according to the rules.

How is that NOT an Entitlement?

I am entitled to drive the car that sits in my driveway because I worked  to own it

but

My car is by no stretch of the imagination AN ENTITLEMENT

Whatever worthless Lib arts Degree it is you hold...I am surprised you were never introduced to VENN DIAGRAMS / TRUTH TABLES...[basics of computer logic]?
Well maybe you were..but you flunked it.....  
 

LibDave » 07 Sep 2022, 5:05 pm » wrote: ↑

07 Sep 2022, 5:05 pm

lol.  I did once too.   I was buying store brand and she was getting lobster tail, prime beef and salmon exclaiming, "I can't spend them all anyway".

And yes it is 50 cents on the dollar, but they get you on the price of the weed too.  lol.
 
I take in and care for homeless people, drug addicts, and abused women.  You wouldn't believe what all I have seen.  And the government makes it harder not easier to help them.

Dass cause de gubmint have a POLICY to manafackcha druck addicks. You messin wif dey game, suh.