Trifling debate
By LibDave
7 Sep 2022 1:19 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
8 Sep 2022 4:37 pm
Money paid into the system is paid out to those who are retired or otherwise eligible to be paid by the system. The whole scheme was devised and put into service in Germany by Otto Von Bismarck. I assume that Von Bismark had accountants and actuarials on his staff.LibDave » 07 Sep 2022, 3:08 pm » wrote: ↑ If you collect SS from age 67 to age 85 you will receive back what you paid in but less than the rate of inflation. In other words, you receive NOTHING as a return on what you paid in. You're purchasing power will be less than what you paid in almost without exception. You would have to live to 110 just to break even with inflation. Not what I would call an "investment".
It is inexcusable for the fund to be deficient when you consider half don't even survive long enough to collect and get nothing. The ones who do survive the government doesn't even pay enough to beat inflation? Ridiculous! Of course the government doesn't invest the money at all. They use the profits (and they are large) to help offset what they tell the public is the deficit.
I doubt that one needs to live to 110 years old to get back all they paid in. I do not doubt that someone told you this, and you believed them. My father, who was an accountant and an auditor, retired at age 65 and told me that he got back all the money that he paid in before he turned 69. But that was a long time ago.
8 Sep 2022 4:44 pm
I tell you what, you give me 15% of your pay for 40 years. I will give every penny of it back to you from the time you turn 67 until you turn 85. No interest on the loan, just what you gave me. Deal?Xavier_Onassis » 08 Sep 2022, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑ Money paid into the system is paid out to those who are retired or otherwise eligible to be paid by the system. The whole scheme was devised and put into service in Germany by Otto Von Bismarck. I assume that Von Bismark had accountants and actuarials on his staff.
I doubt that one needs to live to 110 years old to get back all they paid in. I do not doubt that someone told you this, and you believed them. My father, who was an accountant and an auditor, retired at age 65 and told me that he got back all the money that he paid in before he turned 69. But that was a long time ago.
Is it any wonder they have to force people to participate. And you don't have to be an actuarial to figure out it's a bad deal.
And if you die before 67 it is mine to keep.
Okay Okay Okay!!!!! You drive a hard bargain. I'll give you 2% interest to make up for 1/2 to 1/3 of the inflation I cause.
8 Sep 2022 5:59 pm
Every industrialized country has some sort of taxpayer funded safety net.LibDave » 08 Sep 2022, 4:44 pm » wrote: ↑ I tell you what, you give me 15% of your pay for 40 years. I will give every penny of it back to you from the time you turn 67 until you turn 85. No interest on the loan, just what you gave me. Deal?
Is it any wonder they have to force people to participate. And you don't have to be an actuarial to figure out it's a bad deal.
And if you die before 67 it is mine to keep.
Okay Okay Okay!!!!! You drive a hard bargain. I'll give you 2% interest to make up for 1/2 to 1/3 of the inflation I cause.
You don't like It? Go to Somalia.
Of all the stupid things to complain about.. when corporate welfare spending is way higher. Keep walking over dollars looking for a dime
8 Sep 2022 6:44 pm
The federal gubment ain't suppose to be in the Healthcare, education, housing and welfare business.
States are responsible for those needs of their citizens, not the feds.
States are responsible for those needs of their citizens, not the feds.
8 Sep 2022 7:00 pm
THE "K MART" OF LOW LOAD MUTUAL FUND SUPERMARKETS THAT ANY SLACK JAWED POS LIBTARD HAS ALWAYS BEEN WELCOME TO BUY INTOBlackvegetable » 07 Sep 2022, 4:07 pm » wrote: ↑
Your long term returns average over 10%?
What are you in?
"Vanguard founder Jack Bogle said outperforming the market by even one percentage point per year is a huge feat, and we’ve beaten it by better than two percentage points per year using Vanguard funds. [Over the past 20 years, Wiener’s growth portfolio returned 12.1% annualized, compared with 9.7% for Vanguard 500 Index (VFINX).]
MY MAINSTAY HAS BEEN CAPITAL APPRECIATION..JUST BECAUSE THE NAME HAS A NICE RING TO IT.."
8 Sep 2022 7:04 pm
No questions, dick sucker.Blackvegetable » 07 Sep 2022, 5:13 pm » wrote: ↑ You wanna break it down by long term returns on the asset classes you mentioned?
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When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
8 Sep 2022 7:06 pm
Actually, there are quite a number of excellent books about third reich plumbing advancements. Hitler was greatly admired for those advancements.LibDave » 07 Sep 2022, 6:23 pm » wrote: ↑ I'm going to have to start blocking you if you have nothing more to contribute other than, "Jew This, Jew That, Fascism This, Fascism That, Hitler was a nice guy" crap!
No matter the subject he always sees it as related to how wonderful a guy Hitler was. The subject could be plumbing and he would say, "Well you know Hitler had the most cost effective means of dealing with leaky pipes through the use of Fascism".
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
8 Sep 2022 7:08 pm
Or just let the post office charge enough for a stamp to pay the bills.
That might work. I mean, we got stuck with socialist ben franklin's crazy idea - let's make the best of it.
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
8 Sep 2022 7:12 pm
No questions, dick sucker.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/be/10/d3 ... fb8c8a.gif
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
8 Sep 2022 7:13 pm
It's just semitics.Xavier_Onassis » 08 Sep 2022, 12:26 pm » wrote: ↑ You contributed money to the fund, with the expectation that you would not be penniless when retired.
Therefore you are ENTITLED to receive SS when you retire or are disabled, according to the rules.
How is that NOT an Entitlement?
When you complain, ur friends roll their eyes and ur enemies rejoice
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
8 Sep 2022 8:04 pm
You're not entitled to others' money.SJConspirator » 07 Sep 2022, 6:48 pm » wrote: ↑ If you are not entitled to life and liberty, then kill yourself.
feel more entitled now?
9 Sep 2022 8:41 am
LibDave » 07 Sep 2022, 1:19 pm » wrote: ↑ Subjects and debate on here are far too trifling. It digresses to continuous response streams of little more than name calling.
How about a substantive thread. For example expenditures.
What are your priorities for government spending and cuts? Do we need more or less government?
Defense
Entitlements (SS, Welfare, Food Stamps, etc.)
Roads
Education
IRS
NASA
etc. List your favorite and least favorite.
...nearly everything that comes from the hole
of a monetary ignoramus [and puppet trump cacksucker] such as yourself will be thoroughly 'trifling', lame, naive, etc..... word... 
9 Sep 2022 8:48 am
...pro-rata issuance of newly-created money ends the need for your 'taxpayer funded safety net' f@ckery...SJConspirator » 08 Sep 2022, 5:59 pm » wrote: ↑ Every industrialized country has some sort of taxpayer funded safety net.
You don't like It? Go to Somalia.
Of all the stupid things to complain about.. when corporate welfare spending is way higher. Keep walking over dollars looking for a dime
...authoritardians..... ugh....
9 Sep 2022 8:54 am
...nazi dumb@ss, you're not getting out of thi$ me$$ until the root$ are first publicly examined and then made sane, just, etc...FOS » 07 Sep 2022, 5:39 pm » wrote: ↑ none of this crap matters until jewish power is defeated so that we can construct a real country
[leaf-flailing dummies, these authoritardian monetary ignoramuses (and closet puppet trump cacksuckers)]
9 Sep 2022 10:08 am
"Lib Dave" is actually a conservative posing as a lib, trying to make them look bad!SJConspirator » 08 Sep 2022, 5:59 pm » wrote: ↑ Every industrialized country has some sort of taxpayer funded safety net.
You don't like It? Go to Somalia.
Of all the stupid things to complain about.. when corporate welfare spending is way higher. Keep walking over dollars looking for a dime
EXPOSED!!!
9 Sep 2022 11:13 am
...he claims the 'lib' is 'libertarian'...[as if puppet trump and his cacksuckers are somehow 'libertarian']nuckinfutz » 09 Sep 2022, 10:08 am » wrote: ↑ "Lib Dave" is actually a conservative posing as a lib, trying to make them look bad!
EXPOSED!!!
...i sense he's just a republican who smokes dope...he does appear to have some knowledge about bitcoin...
9 Sep 2022 11:21 am
The Lib in LibDave does indeed stand for Libertarian. I am not liberal. I am conservative. Not Republican although I do align Republican on economic issues. Something I've studied for many years. The Democrats just have no understanding of economics and do far too much damage and inflict far too much hardship on the poor.peepee » 09 Sep 2022, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑ ...he claims the 'lib' is 'libertarian'...[as if puppet trump and his cacksuckers are somehow 'libertarian']
9 Sep 2022 11:25 am
LibDave » 09 Sep 2022, 11:21 am » wrote: ↑ The Democrats just have no understanding of economics and do far to much damage and inflict far too much hardship on the poor.
...you'd do well to stfu about your republican-radio-level economic
theories until you understand monetary reality.... word...
9 Sep 2022 11:45 am
A fair review of your posts indicates as far as an understanding of economics and monetary policy you have been found wanting. And, BTW, you're about damn near illiterate. As a fascist, is your first language German? English doesn't appear to be your first language when viewing your writing.peepee » 09 Sep 2022, 11:25 am » wrote: ↑
...you'd do well to stfu about your republican-radio-level economic
Oh, and did your monkey shrink? The other night your girl thought it might be due to your hormone injections.
9 Sep 2022 11:52 am
LibDave » 09 Sep 2022, 11:45 am » wrote: ↑ A fair review of your posts indicates as far as an understanding of economics and monetary policy you have been found wanting. And, BTW, your about damn near illiterate. As a fascist is your first language German? English doesn't appear to be your first language when viewing your writing.
Oh, and did your monkey shrink? The other night your girl thought it might be due to your hormone injections.
...please merely copy and paste something of mine you disagree with and critique it, you puppet trump cacksucking monetary ignoramus...
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