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I enjoy thought experiments. Some are quite intriguing. I found this one recently, though it dates back to antiquity. I find it relevant because logic should play a huge part of our decisions, especially when it comes to debating politics. My theory to this thought experiment is below in bold. 

@omh  , I know that you are going to go nuts with this, but try to scale it back some. @Blackvegetable  , you are too stupid. Don't even try it. And **** your questions/demands. 

Imagine a donkey placed precisely between two identical bales of hay. The donkey has no free will, and always acts in the most rational manner. However, as both bales are equidistant from the donkey and offer the same nourishment, neither choice is better than the other.

Question: How can it choose? Does it choose at all, or does it stand still until it starves?

My thought is that its' biological impulses will trump rational actions. Mother nature designs us to survive first. Therefore, eventually the donkey will eat the bale of hay that its biological impulses drive it to. 
 
 
 

Vegas » 11 Oct 2022, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 11:01 am

I enjoy thought experiments. Some are quite intriguing. I found this one recently, though it dates back to antiquity. I find it relevant because logic should play a huge part of our decisions, especially when it comes to debating politics. My theory to this thought experiment is below in bold. 

@omh  , I know that you are going to go nuts with this, but try to scale it back some. @Blackvegetable  , you are too stupid. Don't even try it. And **** your questions/demands. 

My thought is that its' biological impulses will trump rational actions. Mother nature designs us to survive first. Therefore, eventually the donkey will eat the bale of hay that its biological impulses drive it to. 

I wonder how many Aegean Goat **** starved to death pondering the question.

But why don't you make the example more immediate?

Picture yourself positioned exactly at the midpoint between two equally malodorous goats, each holding equally rank, warm, examples of whatever you Aegean Goat **** confuse with beer.....and you have only one French Tickler.

What do you do, after having your plea to the gods for another French Tickler fall on indifferent ears?





 

Blackvegetable » 11 Oct 2022, 11:46 am » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 11:46 am

I wonder how many Aegean Goat **** starved to death pondering the question.

But why don't you make the example more immediate?

Picture yourself positioned exactly at the midpoint between two equally malodorous goats, each holding equally rank, warm, examples of whatever you Aegean Goat **** confuse with beer.....and you have only one French Tickler.

What do you do, after having your plea to the gods for another French Tickler fall on indifferent ears?

Like I predicted, you are too stupid to even attempt this. 

And of course, you hide behind questions, as usual. 

100% accuracy.

Vegas » 11 Oct 2022, 11:49 am » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 11:49 am

Like I predicted, you are too stupid to even attempt this. 

And of course, you hide behind questions, as usual. 

100% accuracy.

What did you do?

Vegas » 11 Oct 2022, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 11:01 am

I enjoy thought experiments. Some are quite intriguing. I found this one recently, though it dates back to antiquity. I find it relevant because logic should play a huge part of our decisions, especially when it comes to debating politics. My theory to this thought experiment is below in bold. 

@omh  , I know that you are going to go nuts with this, but try to scale it back some. @Blackvegetable  , you are too stupid. Don't even try it. And **** your questions/demands. 

My thought is that its' biological impulses will trump rational actions. Mother nature designs us to survive first. Therefore, eventually the donkey will eat the bale of hay that its biological impulses drive it to. 

well. I agree. It takes me back to an animal video i posted in the Water cooler.. Woman adopts a sick wild beaver- nurses him to health.
 She takes him into her home. It was as cute as hell.. as he gets better.. He goes all around her house. Chewing the woodwork.. he grabs anything he can find. And starts building dams of junk in her house.  dragging things from all over. natural.
Dogs are like that. some just swim.. like a fish. Like a lab.

People are the same.. BUT no one will admit it. I'm not sure about the politics.. but so many men that worked construction.. have told me.. Injuns are the best to work up high... Sure footed. not scared of heights.. Oh boy.  

Blackvegetable » 11 Oct 2022, 11:50 am » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 11:50 am

What did you do?

Jesus. I literally **** posted my answer in the OP...in bold! More evidence that you don't read anything before posting. 

@Huey  , have you ever met anyone this **** stupid? 

Vegas » 11 Oct 2022, 11:53 am » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 11:53 am

Jesus. I literally **** posted my answer in the OP...in bold! More evidence that you don't read anything before posting. 

@Huey  , have you ever met anyone this **** stupid?

Go blind stroking yourself to the vision of a menage a chèvres

 

Blackvegetable » 11 Oct 2022, 11:56 am » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 11:56 am

Go blind stroking yourself to the vision of a menage a chèvres

Yeah, I would be embarrassed too if I had made a blatantly stupid comment like yours. 

Did you happen to read the part where I predicted that you were too stupid to get the OP? 

LOL. Of course not. It was longer than 5 words. 

Vegas » 11 Oct 2022, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 11:01 am

I enjoy thought experiments. Some are quite intriguing. I found this one recently, though it dates back to antiquity. I find it relevant because logic should play a huge part of our decisions, especially when it comes to debating politics. My theory to this thought experiment is below in bold. 

@omh  , I know that you are going to go nuts with this, but try to scale it back some. @Blackvegetable  , you are too stupid. Don't even try it. And **** your questions/demands. 

My thought is that its' biological impulses will trump rational actions. Mother nature designs us to survive first. Therefore, eventually the donkey will eat the bale of hay that its biological impulses drive it to. 

All animals are born with a dominant side, reflecting dominant sides of the brain

Blackvegetable » 11 Oct 2022, 11:46 am » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 11:46 am

I wonder how many Aegean Goat **** starved to death pondering the question.

But why don't you make the example more immediate?

Picture yourself positioned exactly at the midpoint between two equally malodorous goats, each holding equally rank, warm, examples of whatever you Aegean Goat **** confuse with beer.....and you have only one French Tickler.

What do you do, after having your plea to the gods for another French Tickler fall on indifferent ears?

If the modern Greek has genetic corruption, then we can thank you goat ****. 

Allow me to quote a verse you will notbunderstand one bit, because i am even more learned and esotaric than you:

'Long has the orontes flowed into the tiber"
 
 

Vegas » 11 Oct 2022, 11:59 am » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 11:59 am

Yeah, I would be embarrassed too if I had made a blatantly stupid comment like yours. 

Did you happen to read the part where I predicted that you were too stupid to get the OP? 

LOL. Of course not. It was longer than 5 words.

The OP is a **** mess.

The *** has no Free Will, but is Rational. Your solution relies on Instinct.

Not much unlike your Abortion Conundrum.
 

FOS » 11 Oct 2022, 12:04 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 12:04 pm

If the modern Greek has genetic corruption, then we can thank you goat ****. 

Allow me to quote a verse you will notbunderstand one bit, because i am even more learned and esotaric than you:

'Long has the orontes flowed into the tiber"

learned and esotaric

CC stumbling into the hizzy...

Blackvegetable » 11 Oct 2022, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 12:06 pm

The OP is a **** mess.

The *** has no Free Will, but is Rational. Your solution relies on Instinct.

Not much unlike your Abortion Conundrum.

No, it's not a mess. Only to idiots like you who are too stupid to get it. 

Yes, rational. Meaning that he cannot "choose" to be irrational or do whatever he wants you stupid mother ****. God man. 

Ivy league, my ***. 


and **** your questions. Nobody here expects you to get any of this. **** your God damn questions/demands. All of them.

Vegas » 11 Oct 2022, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 11:01 am

I enjoy thought experiments. Some are quite intriguing. I found this one recently, though it dates back to antiquity. I find it relevant because logic should play a huge part of our decisions, especially when it comes to debating politics. My theory to this thought experiment is below in bold. 

@omh  , I know that you are going to go nuts with this, but try to scale it back some. @Blackvegetable  , you are too stupid. Don't even try it. And **** your questions/demands. 

My thought is that its' biological impulses will trump rational actions. Mother nature designs us to survive first. Therefore, eventually the donkey will eat the bale of hay that its biological impulses drive it to. 

Right. The donkey won't realize he is making choice. He will simply pick the one he happens to be looking at, or happens to look at first, when the impulse compels him
to eat.

Blackvegetable » 11 Oct 2022, 12:07 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 12:07 pm

CC stumbling into the hizzy...

What do you think of my quote? Pretty good, isn't it? Lol.

Yeah you hate the Greeks cause let's be honest...you see too much of yourself in them

Vegas » 11 Oct 2022, 12:10 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 12:10 pm

No, it's not a mess. Only to idiots like you who are too stupid to get it. 

Yes, rational. Meaning that he cannot "choose" to be irrational or do whatever he wants you stupid mother ****. God man. 

Ivy league, my ***. 

and **** your questions. Nobody here expects you to get any of this. **** your God damn questions/demands. All of them.

Rational suggests the ability to reason to a pragmatic conclusion.

As I suspected,  you pooched it. The "antiquity" example is a bit different. Therein, at least, the issue is which of 2 equal needs should be satisfied - assuming they are mutually exclusive.

With two identical items as the choice, it assumes indifference is paralyzing to Reason.

I suggest indifference is the absence of consequence or remorse. Given two equal choices, there is no such risk.
 

Blackvegetable » 11 Oct 2022, 12:17 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 12:17 pm

Rational suggests the ability to reason to a pragmatic conclusion.

As I suspected,  you pooched it. The "antiquity" example is a bit different. Therein, at least, the issue is which of 2 equal needs should be satisfied - assuming they are mutually exclusive.

With two identical items as the choice, it assumes indifference is paralyzing to Reason.

I suggest indifference is the absence of consequence or remorse. Given two equal choices, there is no such risk.

Yes, a pragmatic conclusion...thus, no free will, just logical decisions. 

That's the whole **** point!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You stupid asshole. Stupid! Stupid! Stupid!

You're pretending that you are an intellectual, and its fakeness is blatantly obvious. 

Blackvegetable » 11 Oct 2022, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 12:06 pm

The OP is a **** mess.

The *** has no Free Will, but is Rational. Your solution relies on Instinct.

Not much unlike your Abortion Conundrum.

perhaps the point is that there is a rational aspect to irrational instinct?

Would it be rational for the *** to starve because it cannot .are a choice?

I mean...perhaps so...because perhaps there is no rational reason to prefer survival over death...that too is merely instinct.

If anything I would suggest this thought experiment is meant to invite a person to stop thinking of life as a purely mathematical abstraction

Tulum » 11 Oct 2022, 12:23 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 12:23 pm

IKEA BOY,
You done yapping?

He's a jew who is trying to be a swede.

Tulum » 11 Oct 2022, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 12:25 pm

IKEA BOY is dumber than a 

I could get more intelligent information from rocks, than I could from him.