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FOS » 11 Oct 2022, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 2:05 pm

Yeah I know that. I remember you saying that at some point. Jews have a very racial way of looking st the world. I do also.

If Veghead wasn't a Jew, he would still be just as stupid. He is envious of me because I speak 3 languages, while he can't put an intelligent thought together in English, unless he has a thesaurus next to him. 

Vegas » 11 Oct 2022, 1:46 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 1:46 pm

But it can be abstractly applied beyond a paradox. Think about it. If two different sides on the political aisle used sound logic, then there would be no partisan view.

No, you have committed a logical error. Two different sides on the political aisle represent other groups of people, often with different wants, needs and fears.  For example, the Right side represents groups who are fearful of government and want the means to protect themselves. The Left side represents those who are fearful of those who want to protect themselves, believing that a lone crazy guy is more dangerous than an evil government. Thus the argument about gun bans, gun freedom, etc. Different wants.  Different needs.  Different fears.  You could take any one issue and do the same thing. 

People naturally group with others who share their same needs, wants and fears.  Partisan views arise from this natural separation among large groups of people, which has nothing to do with the Buridan's *** paradox.


 
 

Skans » 11 Oct 2022, 2:11 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 2:11 pm

No, you have committed a logical error. Two different sides on the political aisle represent other groups of people, often with different wants, needs and fears.  For example, the Right side represents groups who are fearful of government and want the means to protect themselves. The Left side represents those who are fearful of those who want to protect themselves, believing that a lone crazy guy is more dangerous than an evil government. Thus the argument about gun bans, gun freedom, etc. Different wants.  Different needs.  Different fears.  You could take any one issue and do the same thing. 

People naturally group with others who share their same needs, wants and fears.  Partisan views arise from this natural separation among large groups of people, which has nothing to do with the Buridan's *** paradox.

I know that. But if both sides used reason and logic to steer them, then their personal opinions, views, and agendas would disappear, naturally. Subsequently, they would merge into the same path. 

 

Skans » 11 Oct 2022, 2:11 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 2:11 pm

No, you have committed a logical error. Two different sides on the political aisle represent other groups of people, often with different wants, needs and fears.  For example, the Right side represents groups who are fearful of government and want the means to protect themselves. The Left side represents those who are fearful of those who want to protect themselves, believing that a lone crazy guy is more dangerous than an evil government. Thus the argument about gun bans, gun freedom, etc. Different wants.  Different needs.  Different fears.  You could take any one issue and do the same thing. 

People naturally group with others who share their same needs, wants and fears.  Partisan views arise from this natural separation among large groups of people, which has nothing to do with the Buridan's *** paradox.

I personally see no difference between the two 'sides' of the 'aisle.

Major corporations in the usa all support democrats.(not all foreign corporations, by the way...glock from Austria does not support democrats)

who could oppose major corporations except the state?

So...how are Republicans going to manifest their will against major corporations?
 
 

Vegas » 11 Oct 2022, 2:29 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 2:29 pm

I know that. But if both sides used reason and logic to steer them, then their personal opinions, views, and agendas would disappear, naturally. Subsequently, they would merge into the same path.

How could they merge into the same path - their logic and absolute loyalty to those whom they represent would drive them even further apart.
 

FOS » 11 Oct 2022, 2:37 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 2:37 pm

I personally see no difference between the two 'sides' of the 'aisle.

Major corporations in the usa all support democrats.(not all foreign corporations, by the way...glock from Austria does not support democrats)

who could oppose major corporations except the state?

So...how are Republicans going to manifest their will against major corporations?

I like corporations so long as they do not infringe on an individual's rights.  So, I have no need for manifest any will against major corporations that do not violate people's rights.

I believe that companies like Facebook, Twitter, Google, and Paypal do infringe on individual rights and should be broken up under anti-trust laws. That's why we have these laws - not to just fine **** companies when they start acting like totalitarian governments.

Glocks are manufactured in Smyrna - I suppose they may still be an Austrian company, though.
 
 

Skans » 11 Oct 2022, 3:09 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 3:09 pm

How could they merge into the same path - their logic and absolute loyalty to those whom they represent would drive them even further apart.

There is no way the logic could drive them apart...if it is sound logic. It's their loyalty to their side that screws it all up. They are choosing allegiance over logic and truth. 

Vegas » 11 Oct 2022, 3:19 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 3:19 pm

There is no way the logic could drive them apart...if it is sound logic. It's their loyalty to their side that screws it all up. They are choosing allegiance over logic and truth.

You ignore the nature of politicians. By their very nature, they must be loyal to their base, to their constituents.  If they weren't politicians, but Star-Trek Vulcan scientists, then maybe you'd have a point.  But, that's sci-fi, and we can't ignore the reality of politicians and their constituent groups.
 

Skans » 11 Oct 2022, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 3:13 pm

I like corporations so long as they do not infringe on an individual's rights.  So, I have no need for manifest any will against major corporations that do not violate people's rights.

I believe that companies like Facebook, Twitter, Google, and Paypal do infringe on individual rights and should be broken up under anti-trust laws. That's why we have these laws - not to just fine **** companies when they start acting like totalitarian governments.

Glocks are manufactured in Smyrna - I suppose they may still be an Austrian company, though.

Excuse me...you aren't supposed to know that there is manufacturing in smyrna..Smyrna...

it's more assembly though. the important parts are still made in austria
 
 
 

FOS » 11 Oct 2022, 3:36 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 3:36 pm

Excuse me...you aren't supposed to know that there is manufacturing in smyrna..Smyrna...

it's more assembly though. the important parts are atill made in austria

For over a decade.  I think they now make most of the parts there as well - not just assembly.  I also think they had to go to a different type of rust proofing due to US regulations. Not the same Tenifer process used in Austria. But, they're still excellent guns.
 
 

Skans » 11 Oct 2022, 3:44 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 3:44 pm

For over a decade.  I think they now make most of the parts there as well - not just assembly.

Incorrect. Let's say I have insider knowledge here and you aren't even Supposed to know about assembly plants. But yeah I have heard that glock customers are wonderful detectives for sone reason. 

But yeah. The really important parts are made in austria. Some assembly with springs and stuff happen in some Georgia manufacturing workstations. 


the upper level execs at glock actually hate the usa and would sue anyone in the usa trying to duplicate their proprietary parts.

Vegas » 11 Oct 2022, 1:46 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 1:46 pm

But it can be abstractly applied beyond a paradox. Think about it. If two different sides on the political aisle used sound logic, then there would be no partisan view. Like the donkey, partisan politics would die because logic would prohibit either side to feed off agendas. If invert the paradox, within this thought experiment, it still works.

The only man on this forum the last day? Is DiddlinWithAnimals... Didlin with Donkeys?  aka Murdock?
after I get past THAT? we can talk  

FOS » 11 Oct 2022, 3:48 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 3:48 pm

Incorrect. Let's say I have insider knowledge here and you aren't even Supposed to know about assembly plants. But yeah I have heard that glock customers are wonderful detectives for sone reason. 

But yeah. The really important parts are made in austria. Some assembly with springs and stuff happen in some Georgia manufacturing workstations. 

the upper level execs at glock actually hate the usa and would sue anyone in the usa trying to duplicate their proprietary parts.
 

That's actually good to hear. I did hear the Tenifer process had changed, but it's not like I see any rusty Glocks out there, so probably nothing important.  I'm not sure which are the "proprietary parts"  - my guess would be the polymer frame and steel parts combined with the frame.  Heck, just about every striker-fired pistol made today is a Glock-a-like knock-off. Its amazing to me that Glock has continued to be as competitive as it has, given every major gun manufacturer now makes its version of a Glock.

Skans » 11 Oct 2022, 4:06 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 4:06 pm

That's actually good to hear. I did hear the Tenifer process had changed, but it's not like I see any rusty Glocks out there, so probably nothing important.  I'm not sure which are the "proprietary parts"  - my guess would be the polymer frame and steel parts combined with the frame.  Heck, just about every striker-fired pistol made today is a Glock-a-like knock-off. Its amazing to me that Glock has continued to be as competitive as it has, given every major gun manufacturer now makes its version of a Glock.

I'd love to tell you trade secrets cause I have a big mouth but alas I cannot.

Skans » 11 Oct 2022, 4:06 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 4:06 pm

That's actually good to hear. I did hear the Tenifer process had changed, but it's not like I see any rusty Glocks out there, so probably nothing important.  I'm not sure which are the "proprietary parts"  - my guess would be the polymer frame and steel parts combined with the frame.  Heck, just about every striker-fired pistol made today is a Glock-a-like knock-off. Its amazing to me that Glock has continued to be as competitive as it has, given every major gun manufacturer now makes its version of a Glock.

glock is known for its reliability. a glock should never misfire. ever. much of this is due to technology that only glock has, which is not shared with their US team. thats all im gonna say, lol

FOS » 11 Oct 2022, 4:49 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 4:49 pm

glock is known for its reliability. a glock should never misfire. ever. much of this is due to technology that only glock has, which is not shared with their US team. thats all im gonna say, lol

And, from my experience, they never have a failure to feed or misfire unless the ammunition is bad. I still  have my Glock 17 (2-pin, 2nd Gen)  Rugged, durable and reliable.  I was never very accurate with it, though.  Some people are great with Glocks - it's a personal thing.  I have several guns which are much more accurate than my Glock, but I wouldn't use them out in the field. Sig X-Five happens to be my favorite. Whole different thing, and 5x the price, I know.
 

Skans » 11 Oct 2022, 5:03 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 5:03 pm

And, from my experience, they never have a failure to feed or misfire unless the ammunition is bad. I still  have my Glock 17 (2-pin, 2nd Gen)  Rugged, durable and reliable.  I was never very accurate with it, though.  Some people are great with Glocks - it's a personal thing.  I have several guns which are much more accurate than my Glock, but I wouldn't use them out in the field. Sig X-Five happens to be my favorite. Whole different thing, and 5x the price, I know.

the glock 17 is very old school. its kinda obsolete today. you should look into the glock 36...that is a real masterpiece

Skans » 11 Oct 2022, 5:03 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 5:03 pm

And, from my experience, they never have a failure to feed or misfire unless the ammunition is bad. I still  have my Glock 17 (2-pin, 2nd Gen)  Rugged, durable and reliable.  I was never very accurate with it, though.  Some people are great with Glocks - it's a personal thing.  I have several guns which are much more accurate than my Glock, but I wouldn't use them out in the field. Sig X-Five happens to be my favorite. Whole different thing, and 5x the price, I know.

imho glock is simply a superior company to sig sauer. sig is whatever. more expensive sure.i think their hype is mainly a construct of being used by special forces in the usa who FYI have switched to glock...lol...no coincidence. 

now my personal sidearm is not a glock. I like esoteric stuff. finicky, not user friendly esoteric stuff. but Glock is what any normal person should go with.

jack » 11 Oct 2022, 12:14 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 12:14 pm

Right. The donkey won't realize he is making choice. He will simply pick the one he happens to be looking at, or happens to look at first, when the impulse compels him
to eat.

I'll take a nice sushi anytime over a bale of hay !
 

Blackvegetable » 11 Oct 2022, 12:49 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Oct 2022, 12:49 pm

I don't see there's anything "anti" about it...

These people are objectively objectionable.