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Blackvegetable » 20 Nov 2022, 11:41 am » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 11:41 am

So I have work to do?

**** that.

Click a link that you have already clicked on.  You are one spoiled lil bitch, aren’t you?  Need everything spoon fed to ya. 

Huey » 20 Nov 2022, 11:43 am » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 11:43 am

Click a link that you have already clicked on.  You are one spoiled lil bitch, aren’t you?  Need everything spoon fed to ya.

Keystroke Too Far, please...

Blackvegetable » 20 Nov 2022, 11:48 am » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 11:48 am

Keystroke Too Far, please...

You have already clicked the link.  I’ll give it to you again.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/12/origin ... z7l6YYs2YH

Huey » 20 Nov 2022, 11:50 am » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 11:50 am

You have already clicked the link.  I’ll give it to you again.

https://www.ammoland.com/2021/12/origin ... z7l6YYs2YH

So much for terminology.

Original ATF AR-15 Classification Refutes Claim that Rifle ‘Not Meant’ for Civilians

You've heard me say this before (though it was obvious before I even read it)

You can't read, **** imbecile...

He and Savage also cleared up a point of potential confusion on why the classification letter refers to the AR-15 as an “automatic rifle.”

“It is because (my thoughts) that they sent two rifles,” Stamboulieh offered. “One was an automatic rifle, and the other was the modified rifle made to be not a machinegun (a semi-automatic version). So the ATF said, yes, this modified ‘automatic rifle’ is not a firearm under the NFA (therefore, not a machinegun and in other words, a semi-auto).”


Again, ATF has NOTHING to do with design.

 
 

Blackvegetable » 20 Nov 2022, 11:58 am » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 11:58 am

So much for terminology.

Original ATF AR-15 Classification Refutes Claim that Rifle ‘Not Meant’ for Civilians

You've heard me say this before (though it was obvious before I even read it)

You can't read, **** imbecile...

He and Savage also cleared up a point of potential confusion on why the classification letter refers to the AR-15 as an “automatic rifle.”

“It is because (my thoughts) that they sent two rifles,” Stamboulieh offered. “One was an automatic rifle, and the other was the modified rifle made to be not a machinegun (a semi-automatic version). So the ATF said, yes, this modified ‘automatic rifle’ is not a firearm under the NFA (therefore, not a machinegun and in other words, a semi-auto).”

Again, ATF has NOTHING to do with design.

Didnyou read the letter?  That is not from the letter.

Keep trying.

Of course what was the ATF in 1963 had a say in design.  It was their job to make sure the weapon was not a NFA weapon.  

You would know this if you read the letter.

Plus what you posted refutes your ONE DESIGN ****.
 

Huey » 20 Nov 2022, 12:02 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:02 pm

Didnyou read the letter?  That is not from the letter.

Keep trying.

Of course what was the ATF in 1963 had a say in design.  It was their job to make sure the weapon was not a NFA weapon.  

You would know this if you read the letter.

Plus what you posted refutes your ONE DESIGN ****.

No.....I read your citation..

Are they lying about that?
 

Huey » 20 Nov 2022, 12:02 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:02 pm

Didnyou read the letter?  That is not from the letter.

Keep trying.

Of course what was the ATF in 1963 had a say in design.  It was their job to make sure the weapon was not a NFA weapon.  

You would know this if you read the letter.

Plus what you posted refutes your ONE DESIGN ****.

Plus what you posted refutes your ONE DESIGN ****.

You can't read.



“One was an automatic rifle, and the other was the modified rifle made to be not a machinegun (a semi-automatic version).

Blackvegetable » 20 Nov 2022, 12:06 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:06 pm

No.....I read your citation..

Are they lying about that?

read the letter.  

Then figure out what the NFA of 1934 classified as a machine gun.  And pay attention to this:

”have changed the weapon in basic design…” 

Blackvegetable » 20 Nov 2022, 12:09 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:09 pm

You can't read.

“One was an automatic rifle, and the other was the modified rifle made to be not a machinegun (a semi-automatic version).

”have changed the weapon in basic design…” 

If it was ONE DESIGN they would have been both machine guns.  

Huey » 20 Nov 2022, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:11 pm

”have changed the weapon in basic design…” 

If it was ONE DESIGN they would have been both machine guns.

No...

The AR-15 wasn't developed to be a machine gun, as defined by the military.

It was the product of the SCHV program intended to develop an Assault Rifle.


This is why your mixing and matching of terms is entirely ****.
 

Huey » 20 Nov 2022, 12:10 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:10 pm

read the letter.  

Then figure out what the NFA of 1934 classified as a machine gun.  And pay attention to this:

”have changed the weapon in basic design…”

ARE THEY LYING?


If they aren't I don't need to.

Blackvegetable » 20 Nov 2022, 12:15 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:15 pm

Huey » 20 Nov 2022, 12:11 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:11 pm

”have changed the weapon in basic design…” 

If it was ONE DESIGN they would have been both machine guns.

No...

The AR-15 wasn't developed to be a machine gun, as defined by the military.

It was the product of the SCHV program intended to develop an Assault Rifle.


This is why your mixing and matching of terms is entirely ****.
 

 

We aren't talking about the Armalite Rifle 15 which later became the M 16.  We are talking about the COLT AR 15 Sporter which was designed for the civilian market and the ATF Certification Letter.

The term used in the NFA of 1934 is "machine gun" for any rifle that fires continuously with one trigger pull.  That is why the term "machine gun" is used in the part of the citation you read and in the letter you won't read.  


 

Blackvegetable » 20 Nov 2022, 12:16 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:16 pm

ARE THEY LYING?

If they aren't I don't need to.

Nope.

You don't understand the terminology.

The term used in the NFA of 1934 is "machine gun" for any rifle that fires continuously with one trigger pull.  That is why the term "machine gun" is used in the part of the citation you read and in the letter you won't read.  

Huey » 20 Nov 2022, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:20 pm

We aren't talking about the Armalite Rifle 15 which later became the M 16.  We are talking about the COLT AR 15 Sporter which was designed for the civilian market and the ATF Certification Letter.

The term used in the NFA of 1934 is "machine gun" for any rifle that fires continuously with one trigger pull.  That is why the term "machine gun" is used in the part of the citation you read and in the letter you won't read.

To what "automatic rifle" does your citation refer?

 

Huey » 20 Nov 2022, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:21 pm

Nope.

You don't understand the terminology.

The term used in the NFA of 1934 is "machine gun" for any rifle that fires continuously with one trigger pull.  That is why the term "machine gun" is used in the part of the citation you read and in the letter you won't read.

Then I don't need to do any more work.

Blackvegetable » 20 Nov 2022, 12:23 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:23 pm

Huey » 20 Nov 2022, 12:21 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:21 pm

Nope.

You don't understand the terminology.

The term used in the NFA of 1934 is "machine gun" for any rifle that fires continuously with one trigger pull.  That is why the term "machine gun" is used in the part of the citation you read and in the letter you won't read.

Then I don't need to do any more work.

 

I accept your surrender.  Multiple designs.

The term used in the NFA of 1934 is "machine gun" for any rifle that fires continuously with one trigger pull.  That is why the term "machine gun" is used in the part of the citation you read and in the letter you won't read.  

Huey » 20 Nov 2022, 12:25 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:25 pm

I accept your surrender.  Multiple designs.

The term used in the NFA of 1934 is "machine gun" for any rifle that fires continuously with one trigger pull.  That is why the term "machine gun" is used in the part of the citation you read and in the letter you won't read.

still no evidence..

Yet another of your citations directly and unambiguously contradicts you.
 

Blackvegetable » 20 Nov 2022, 12:28 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 12:28 pm

still no evidence..

Yet another of your citations directly and unambiguously contradicts you.

The citation says otherwise.  One was designed to be an automatic, classified as a machine gun by the NFA of 1934.  The other was designed to be a semi automatic, designed not to be a machine as defined by the NFA of 1934.

”have changed the weapon in basic design…” 

 

Just to educate you on what we are talking about:

26 U.S. Code § 5845 - Definitions
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5845

That contains terminology used by the FED Gov to classify weapons and parts as NFA weapons.  You will not find a definition for automatic or assault rifle. Because they classified as machine guns.

b)MachinegunThe term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.
 
 

@Blackvegetable    I forgot to tag you in on this:

Just to educate you on what we are talking about:

26 U.S. Code § 5845 - Definitions
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/5845

That contains terminology used by the FED Gov to classify weapons and parts as NFA weapons.  You will not find a definition for automatic or assault rifle. Because they are classified as machine guns.

b)MachinegunThe term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person.