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Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 8:29 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:29 pm

Vax bullying. 

This scam did not happen overnight. For starters, it was planned for the obama years, using ebola - which all of the dumb asses on this board were more than happy to politicize. 

Vax bullying is a classic example of a rigged system where massive government power was brought to bear for corporate profits.

Now you add a new requirement. Okay. Let's not jack each of other off. How many **** years? Let's get a number. 

Is 109 sufficient? Google "Jekyll Island." @peepee  - can I get a witness with this $tooooopid republicrat monetary ignoramu$?

109 is fine, sure. 

Your example is solid. It explains how they got filthy rich off of us. What about Wallstreet, big banks, and big companies that most Americans invest in through their 401Ks for 50 years? How do they arrange the system that keeps us poor? Also, I would like to know the 'real reason' why 95% of start-up businesses fail. Yeah, sure, of course there are some who are just completely incompetent, thus they fail. However, there are plenty that have solid business plans with competent people. Yet, they fail. There has got to be a greater force at work that largely influences that. 

Blackvegetable » 20 Nov 2022, 8:35 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:35 pm

I just posted 2000 additional ones.

You mean your 2000 links.   

 
 

Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 8:31 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:31 pm

 

This answered my last question. I just read it. Thank you. This makes sense...though I can't seem to quote your quote, but you know what I mean. 

The tax code.

It punishes investors who manage their own retirement by forcing them to use after tax dollars, and it rewards investors who invest in wall street by letting them use before tax dollars.

Vegas » 20 Nov 2022, 8:39 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:39 pm

This answered my last question. I just read it. Thank you. This makes sense...though I can't seem to quote your quote, but you know what I mean.

Yup. Its because it is a quote within a quote - two levels deep. You can set your profile to allow that, but then you're stuck with it on every post. 
 

Vegas » 20 Nov 2022, 8:36 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:36 pm

109 is fine, sure. 

Your example is solid. It explains how they got filthy rich off of us. What about Wallstreet, big banks, and big companies that most Americans invest in through their 401Ks for 50 years? How do they arrange the system that keeps us poor? Also, I would like to know the 'real reason' why 95% of start-up businesses fail. Yeah, sure, of course there are some who are just completely incompetent, thus they fail. However, there are plenty that have solid business plans with competent people. Yet, they fail. There has got to be a greater force at work that largely influences that.

I don't know that 95% of startups fail. That sounds wrong. 

Vegas » 20 Nov 2022, 8:36 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:36 pm

109 is fine, sure. 

Your example is solid. It explains how they got filthy rich off of us. What about Wallstreet, big banks, and big companies that most Americans invest in through their 401Ks for 50 years? How do they arrange the system that keeps us poor? Also, I would like to know the 'real reason' why 95% of start-up businesses fail. Yeah, sure, of course there are some who are just completely incompetent, thus they fail. However, there are plenty that have solid business plans with competent people. Yet, they fail. There has got to be a greater force at work that largely influences that.

The federal reserve bank is 109 years old. It is a private, for profit corporation whose product - created from thin air - the government forces us to use.


That seems like a pretty good example of a rigged system. Economists keep their mouths shut or pay a price - there's a bit of rigging, too. 

Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 8:44 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:44 pm

Yup. Its because it is a quote within a quote - two levels deep. You can set your profile to allow that, but then you're stuck with it on every post.

I don't see how it's possible to get back to a 'real' free enterprise. Maybe it is, but with the amount of power that 'riggers' have, I don't see how to escape that. There would have to be a crash of the current system, then start over. That would cause chaos around the world. 

Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 8:47 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:47 pm

The federal reserve bank is 109 years old. It is a private, for profit corporation whose product - created from thin air - the government forces us to use.

Is that why crypto currency came about, to avoid the government force? 

Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 8:46 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:46 pm

I don't know that 95% of startups fail. That sounds wrong.

Well, 90%. My bad. Still grim. 

About 90% of startups fail. 10% of startups fail within the first year. Across all industries, startup failure rates seem to be close to the same. Failure is most common for startups during years two through five, with 70% falling into this category.

https://www.embroker.com/blog/startup-s ... 20category.

Vegas » 20 Nov 2022, 8:47 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:47 pm

I don't see how it's possible to get back to a 'real' free enterprise. Maybe it is, but with the amount of power that 'riggers' have, I don't see how to escape that. There would have to be a crash of the current system, then start over. That would cause chaos around the world.

We already HAVE "chaos around the world." We are arguing over settled science - like the definition of woman. We are attacking russia because they refuse to play along with wokeness. 

We have men in dresses commanding our military and representing us to foreign governments. The european union is coming apart at the seams in front of our eyes. The people of Taiwan are preparing for chinee rule, and the jappos are putting together a military to manage their own affairs when we fold like a man in a dress. The petro dollar is packing up to spend more time with family, SOMEONE blew up the nordstream pipeline, the brits have to pay more than their average annual salary to keep the heat on this winter - meaning right now, - and the Italians just hired musselini's grand daughter to straighten **** out. 

The french have no-go neighborhoods run by militant muslims, the germans are making even crazier porn than ever, and the **** RUSSIANS are standing post as the guardians of Christendom. The RUSSIANS, for the love of St. Petersburg!

​​​​​​Africa's still a **** hole - but most everything else is upside-down. 

Vegas » 20 Nov 2022, 8:50 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:50 pm

Well, 90%. My bad. Still grim. 

https://www.embroker.com/blog/startup-s ... 20category.

I don't mean this in a bad way, but I don't credit that link. There are a lot of definitions that go into a claim like that - a LOT. Like, define start up - then define failure. Shenanigans a-plenty could be creating a false picture.

It strikes me as bumper sticker BS.

Vegas » 20 Nov 2022, 8:48 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:48 pm

Is that why crypto currency came about, to avoid the government force?

I've always just assumed that all crypto is klepto. 
 

Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 8:59 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:59 pm

We already HAVE "chaos around the world." We are arguing over settled science - like the definition of woman. We are attacking russia because they refuse to play along with wokeness. 

We have men in dresses commanding our military and representing us to foreign governments. The european union is coming apart at the seams in front of our eyes. The people of Taiwan are preparing for chinee rule, and the jappos are putting together a military to manage their own affairs when we fold like a man in a dress. The petro dollar is packing up to spend more time with family, SOMEONE blew up the nordstream pipeline, the brits have to pay more than their average annual salary to keep the heat on this winter - meaning right now, - and the Italians just hired musselini's grand daughter to straighten **** out. 

The french have no-go neighborhoods run by militant muslims, the germans are making even crazier porn than ever, and the **** RUSSIANS are standing post as the guardians of Christendom. The RUSSIANS, for the love of St. Petersburg!

​​​​​​Africa's still a **** hole - but most everything else is upside-down.

Well...if you put it that way, then I guess so. Lol.

Ok, so let's take a hypothetical. Let's assume the American people successfully take down the 'riggers' and crash the economy. Just completely levels it to nothing more than dust. This means there is no monetary system in place to exchange goods. What monetary resource would be used that would have mutual value that isn't created from thin air or forced by government? 

Cannonpointer » 20 Nov 2022, 9:02 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 9:02 pm

I don't mean this in a bad way, but I don't credit that link. There are a lot of definitions that go into a claim like that - a LOT. Like, define start up - then define failure. Shenanigans a-plenty could be creating a false picture.

It strikes me as bumper sticker BS.

When I look at fail, I see that as ceasing their business altogether. They start it, but it can't maintain a profitable revenue, so it permanently closes.

Vegas » 20 Nov 2022, 9:04 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 9:04 pm

Well...if you put it that way, then I guess so. Lol.

Ok, so let's take a hypothetical. Let's assume the American people successfully take down the 'riggers' and crash the economy. Just completely levels it to nothing more than dust. This means there is no monetary system in place to exchange goods. What monetary resource would be used that would have mutual value that isn't created from thin air or forced by government?

Silver and gold are the obvious ones - everything else would be barter.

Vegas » 20 Nov 2022, 9:06 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 9:06 pm

When I look at fail, I see that as ceasing their business altogether. They start it, but it can't maintain a profitable revenue, so it permanently closes.

Yeah - that's fine as far as it goes. But then there are the shenanigans. 

Wall Street needs a widget. They fund a start up, pump the shares, collect the dough, build the widget, crash the corporation, it goes bankrupt, the company that put the shenanigan together takes everything (including the widget) into receivership, the shareholders eat it (but they're all institutional and spread across the board, so it's really just a tax, not the whole farm), and that success goes down as a "failure."

Not saying that happens - or maybe it's a regular occurrence. What do I know? I'm just not buying that 9 in 10 startups go bust. 
 
 
 

Vegas » 20 Nov 2022, 7:35 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 7:35 pm

I have heard from many people including economists, millionaires (never any billionaires, ironically), political scientists, business owners, wall street buffs, prolific entrepreneurs, academia, and from Cedar's wife while she was serving me breakfast in bed, that the economic system in America is rigged. That it is designed to favor the wealthy and keep the 95% to be dependent on the wealthy. To keep us poor at all costs. Though "poor" is very subjective, the point is that the system is allegedly rigged such that the 95% cannot move past what they already have. 

This very well could be, and I am not refuting any of it. However, it's a vague claim. When I listen to the aforementioned people, I don't hear specific examples of how it is rigged. What specific logistics, examples, policies, or systems substantiate this claim? 

Thoughts? 

@peepee  I know that you are going to go **** on this thread, so go ahead and say your usual shot about the value of money and where it comes from.

Man this is a huge question with a lot of different aspects.
 

Vegas » 20 Nov 2022, 8:37 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 8:37 pm

You mean your 2000 links. 

All I have to do is post the title.

Blackvegetable » 20 Nov 2022, 10:13 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Nov 2022, 10:13 pm

All I have to do is post the title.

Well, all you do is post links in your OPs, so...I don't know what you are bitching about.