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A more realistic measure of 'economy'
A more realistic measure of 'economy'
By FOS
1 Dec 2022 9:13 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
28 Dec 2022 2:55 am
If you don't vote, thenFOS » 02 Dec 2022, 6:50 am » wrote: ↑ I don't vote. I certainly would not vote dnc because I'm white and not stupid
is even more ridiculous.
28 Dec 2022 11:44 am
LowIQTrash » 28 Dec 2022, 2:13 am » wrote: ↑ Pricing people out of basic living expenses is another one of (((their))) not-so-guilty pleasures. I can already imagine this scenario in my head:
A Jewish financier/banker, who obviously DESERVES his ill-gotten gains because he is a member of (((God's Chosen))) is sitting in his mansion/on some yacht, laughing at all the stupid g0yim who believed their lies disseminated through the (((Mainstream Media))) and through government propaganda factories for the kids (AKA PUBLIC SCHOOLS):
"Take out $80K in student loans just so you can be a wage slave and rent some **** 1 BR/studio apartment in the middle of the city so you don't commute 90+ minutes each day since traffic is so terrible once you get 15+ miles from the city center because the Auto/O&G lobby dislikes public transport"
LOL
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The only thing I find incredible about your post is the lack of health insurance options available to you...lol...I don't even see how that's possible.
well I am in an odd category because I retired young.
For most of my life I had health insurance which cost about $50/month.
That shot up to $1000/month shortly after the 'affordable care act'..so I just decided to dump it and take my chances.
and yeah a couple years ago I decided to check and see if the situation had improved. Nope..there literally is nothing for me
28 Dec 2022 11:58 am
FOS » 01 Dec 2022, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑ Sorry.. but the way most of you people talk about the economy is complete rubbish. I am quite tired of all debates over whether we are in a 'recession' and nonsense like that. All your numbers and charts and graphs are irrelevant and fake and stupid.
Here's the bottom line; Humans are life forms. In order for us to 'break even' ...everyone needs to have an average of slightly more than one child (slightly more to account for untimely death)...or slightly more than 2 per couple
and they need to have a decent quality of life.
That means
1) a single income household (somebody has to raise, cook,clean, change diapers, etc)
2) their own house
3) a decent education
4) a decently safe neighborhood...being able to actually play in the backyard without getting abducted raped and killed
5) the ability to retire and survive as some point (70 or so)
And you know...whatever else is a basic necessity.
That needs to be the AVERAGE. Maybe there is wealth inequality. Say 50% of the people cannot afford this. Then the other 50% need to be able to have 4 children...and they also would need to actually do it...since a bunch of rich infertile people will still cause population decline.
Such a 50/50 division would be cause for serious concern, however...since the survivors would be increasingly inbred and the people who failed to reproduce may have been poor for reasons other than being useless, and their heritable traits are being lost to the gene pool.
Now since we survive, it is clear that EVERY European society in history was able to manage this. You might think the English of the 12th century were desperately poor, but they could manage the above stipulations...and even better...since their population grew
what about the usa? What % of our housholds can afford 2 children with a decent quality of life?
I'm sorry...but just my personal experience of the cost of raising children decently and living in a decent area...I can't help but feel like less than 10% of thr people can even afford it. Me and my gf are bothe technically in the 1%, and we would struggle to afford such a thing. I can't get health insurance...and she only just recently paid off student loans.
'Marriage' ... used to be about 'Sex for Support'.
Now, Women are Liberated and don't need 'Support'.
AND, since the invention of the Vibrator, they don't need men.
Liberated Women ... would rather have fun (like men) than have children)
28 Dec 2022 12:03 pm
It isn't about preferences. It is literally about whether it is materially possible.ZiggyX » 28 Dec 2022, 12:58 pm » wrote: ↑ 'Marriage' ... used to be about 'Sex for Support'.
Now, Women are Liberated and don't need 'Support'.
AND, since the invention of the Vibrator, they don't need men.
Liberated Women ... would rather have fun (like men) than have children)
28 Dec 2022 12:07 pm
Do you notice wealthy types aren't opting for children?FOS » 28 Dec 2022, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑ It isn't about preferences. It is literally about whether it is materially possible.
Young women are 'hooking up' with guys and going on Adventures.
They want fun, travel, experiences.
28 Dec 2022 12:17 pm
Notice a lot of Families showing up at the Border?FOS » 28 Dec 2022, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑ It isn't about preferences. It is literally about whether it is materially possible.
I doubt they are part of the '1%'.
28 Dec 2022 12:24 pm
ZiggyX » 28 Dec 2022, 1:17 pm » wrote: ↑ Notice a lot of Families showing up at the Border?
I doubt they are part of the '1%'.
they recieve aid from the government, taken from white peoplenwho can't afford to have a family
28 Dec 2022 12:25 pm
ZiggyX » 28 Dec 2022, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑ Do you notice wealthy types aren't opting for children?
Young women are 'hooking up' with guys and going on Adventures.
They want fun, travel, experiences.
even if that were true it is irrelevant. Most people aren't wealthy.
28 Dec 2022 12:27 pm
FOS » 01 Dec 2022, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑ Sorry.. but the way most of you people talk about the economy is complete rubbish. I am quite tired of all debates over whether we are in a 'recession' and nonsense like that. All your numbers and charts and graphs are irrelevant and fake and stupid.
Here's the bottom line; Humans are life forms. In order for us to 'break even' ...everyone needs to have an average of slightly more than one child (slightly more to account for untimely death)...or slightly more than 2 per couple
and they need to have a decent quality of life.
That means
1) a single income household (somebody has to raise, cook,clean, change diapers, etc)
2) their own house
3) a decent education
4) a decently safe neighborhood...being able to actually play in the backyard without getting abducted raped and killed
5) the ability to retire and survive as some point (70 or so)
And you know...whatever else is a basic necessity.
That needs to be the AVERAGE. Maybe there is wealth inequality. Say 50% of the people cannot afford this. Then the other 50% need to be able to have 4 children...and they also would need to actually do it...since a bunch of rich infertile people will still cause population decline.
Such a 50/50 division would be cause for serious concern, however...since the survivors would be increasingly inbred and the people who failed to reproduce may have been poor for reasons other than being useless, and their heritable traits are being lost to the gene pool.
Now since we survive, it is clear that EVERY European society in history was able to manage this. You might think the English of the 12th century were desperately poor, but they could manage the above stipulations...and even better...since their population grew
what about the usa? What % of our housholds can afford 2 children with a decent quality of life?
I'm sorry...but just my personal experience of the cost of raising children decently and living in a decent area...I can't help but feel like less than 10% of thr people can even afford it. Me and my gf are bothe technically in the 1%, and we would struggle to afford such a thing. I can't get health insurance...and she only just recently paid off student loans.
bring on the next meteor. Humanity needs to go the way of the dinosaur
28 Dec 2022 12:30 pm
SJConspirator » 28 Dec 2022, 1:27 pm » wrote: ↑ bring on the next meteor. Humanity needs to go the way of the dinosaur
Not all. Some humans are truly great and humanity has created some truly beautiful things.
But I do think that anything which destabilizes the current evil system would be good in the long run.
28 Dec 2022 1:30 pm
So. The Latin Americans showing up at the Border are "recieve aid from the government, taken from white peoplenwho can't afford to have a family".FOS » 28 Dec 2022, 1:24 pm » wrote: ↑ they recieve aid from the government, taken from white peoplenwho can't afford to have a family
Really?
28 Dec 2022 1:32 pm
Most people --->in his country<--- are pretty well off.FOS » 28 Dec 2022, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑ even if that were true it is irrelevant. Most people aren't wealthy.
They have other things to do besides being 'BabyMachines'.
28 Dec 2022 2:01 pm
ZiggyX » 28 Dec 2022, 2:30 pm » wrote: ↑ So. The Latin Americans showing up at the Border are "recieve aid from the government, taken from white peoplenwho can't afford to have a family".
Really?
yeah. Really.
28 Dec 2022 2:02 pm
Most people in this country don't even have a living wage dude. Where the f do you live? Monaco?ZiggyX » 28 Dec 2022, 2:32 pm » wrote: ↑ Most people --->in his country<--- are pretty well off.
They have other things to do besides being 'BabyMachines'.
28 Dec 2022 2:13 pm
America has had to OutSource it's Industrial Base because these over-fed and lazy Americans don't want to work for $8/hr..FOS » 28 Dec 2022, 3:02 pm » wrote: ↑ Most people in this country don't even have a living wage dude. Where the f do you live? Monaco?
Asia has provided millions of Worker Drones, that are motivated and hard-working, to fill the gap.
Praise Jesus and Thank God, America is now importing millions of Worker Drones from around the World that will 'Work for Less'.
We need to 'Bring the Industrial Base Back Home'.
28 Dec 2022 2:35 pm
Lol...your vision for the future is obviously so unsustainable and bad. Crazy.ZiggyX » 28 Dec 2022, 3:13 pm » wrote: ↑ America has had to OutSource it's Industrial Base because these over-fed and lazy Americans don't want to work for $8/hr..
Asia has provided millions of Worker Drones, that are motivated and hard-working, to fill the gap.
Praise Jesus and Thank God, America is now importing millions of Worker Drones from around the World that will 'Work for Less'.
We need to 'Bring the Industrial Base Back Home'.
Anyway I still do not see any relevance whatsoever. My point is that our economy already sucks. You aren't saying anything which contradicts that
28 Dec 2022 3:10 pm
First, you can get health insurance. You may not like your choices, but you can get it.FOS » 01 Dec 2022, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑ Sorry.. but the way most of you people talk about the economy is complete rubbish. I am quite tired of all debates over whether we are in a 'recession' and nonsense like that. All your numbers and charts and graphs are irrelevant and fake and stupid.
Here's the bottom line; Humans are life forms. In order for us to 'break even' ...everyone needs to have an average of slightly more than one child (slightly more to account for untimely death)...or slightly more than 2 per couple
and they need to have a decent quality of life.
That means
1) a single income household (somebody has to raise, cook,clean, change diapers, etc)
2) their own house
3) a decent education
4) a decently safe neighborhood...being able to actually play in the backyard without getting abducted raped and killed
5) the ability to retire and survive as some point (70 or so)
And you know...whatever else is a basic necessity.
That needs to be the AVERAGE. Maybe there is wealth inequality. Say 50% of the people cannot afford this. Then the other 50% need to be able to have 4 children...and they also would need to actually do it...since a bunch of rich infertile people will still cause population decline.
Such a 50/50 division would be cause for serious concern, however...since the survivors would be increasingly inbred and the people who failed to reproduce may have been poor for reasons other than being useless, and their heritable traits are being lost to the gene pool.
Now since we survive, it is clear that EVERY European society in history was able to manage this. You might think the English of the 12th century were desperately poor, but they could manage the above stipulations...and even better...since their population grew
what about the usa? What % of our housholds can afford 2 children with a decent quality of life?
I'm sorry...but just my personal experience of the cost of raising children decently and living in a decent area...I can't help but feel like less than 10% of thr people can even afford it. Me and my gf are bothe technically in the 1%, and we would struggle to afford such a thing. I can't get health insurance...and she only just recently paid off student loans.
Second, if your GF was in the top 1%, financially, she would not have student loans.
As for your commentary on declining population - I acknowledge that is a factor in determining the health of a nation's economy.
Low income and unemployed people game the system to have the State pay for their children's needs. So, they can have as many kids as they would like without adding to their financial burden.
28 Dec 2022 4:16 pm
Most of America owns the Stock Market. They live off the Distributions. They don't even need to roll out of bed to make Money.FOS » 28 Dec 2022, 3:35 pm » wrote: ↑ Lol...your vision for the future is obviously so unsustainable and bad. Crazy.
Anyway I still do not see any relevance whatsoever. My point is that our economy already sucks. You aren't saying anything which contradicts that
The Repubs and Dems have adopted the 'Saudi Plan'. Import Foreign Workers to do the Work. Then kick them out after the Job is done.
I don't understand your complaint?
28 Dec 2022 4:35 pm
To a large extent, you are right. The most prosperous time in the US was when labor was strong and we were still producing goods in factories. Post WWII we were the top dogs in the Industrial Age.FOS » 01 Dec 2022, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑ So sorry guys...but using a more tangible and real way to measure the economy. The modern usa seems like the poorest country in the history ofbthe world.
Seriously.
All of your graphs and money printing and whatever other crap you wanna do or talk about simply isn't working. We are a dying population, BECAUSE we are poor. Because we are far more poor than any African country with an exploding population.
This seemed to occur along with the loss of manufacturing in this country.
Things went downhill after 1970, and the Powell memorandum came out putting BIG BUSINESS in the driver's seat. Google: Powell memorandum
29 Dec 2022 1:09 am
lol...$1000/month...back in my early 20s, I remember ACA quoting me for ~$200 and I thought that was highway robbery.FOS » 28 Dec 2022, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑ well I am in an odd category because I retired young.
For most of my life I had health insurance which cost about $50/month.
That shot up to $1000/month shortly after the 'affordable care act'..so I just decided to dump it and take my chances.
and yeah a couple years ago I decided to check and see if the situation had improved. Nope..there literally is nothing for me
Have you tried a non-ACA marketplace like ehealthinsurance.com? Those should provide a massive discount compared to ACA.
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