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Skans » 12 Feb 2023, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

12 Feb 2023, 9:42 am

Below was what I was referring to - a traditional manual safety:

Now, why can't Glock make a couple of versions with a factory version of this thing installed?  Not everyone has "safety-phobia".  In fact, if they did this, the they could get rid of the stupid trigger dingus.
 

Skans » 11 Feb 2023, 12:16 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 12:16 pm

Yes, I'm with you on that!  I sometimes feel like I'm the only one who would like the Glock better if it had an external safety.  Someone did make an external safety that can be added, but not easily.  Some modification would need to be done to the frame. 

I prefer DAO or DA/SA for a carry gun, as I keep one in the pipe.

I don't keep one in the pipe.
I figure I'm no quick draw artist anyway and whatever I'm doing I will interrupt.
Then I can use both hands and maybe that is the pause that calms me down. Like counting to ten but way shorter.
 

PlumHollow » 14 Feb 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 9:45 am

I don't keep one in the pipe.
I figure I'm no quick draw artist anyway and whatever I'm doing I will interrupt.
Then I can use both hands and maybe that is the pause that calms me down. Like counting to ten but way shorter.

I think that's called "Israeli Carry".

I'm a simple guy. None of my guns have anything but iron sights. Red dot and holographic sights seemed about the same to me so I looked up an article or two. What do you guys think about the authors assessment of the differences? Looks like my pistol will get a red dot if I do this. Long guns don't seem worth it for me.
One more thing to case and bump into things. Is this guy telling me good info?

https://shootingmystery.com/red-dot-vs-holographic/
 

Skans » 14 Feb 2023, 9:57 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 9:57 am

That's called "Israeli Carry".  Not a good idea, but to each his own.  If you ever really NEED your gun in a defensive situation, it is very likely you won't have time to chamber a round. Most of that time will be taken up getting your gun out of concealment.  Really, you would be better off carrying a revolver.

Bad Guys sneak up on you quickly, when they think you aren't expecting it. You will be lucky to get one good shot off.  2 or 3 is a bonus.

With that in mind and thinking about situations like that, I start wondering if I'm packing for a gun fight or a gut shot.
What you say makes me think a Bond .45 derringer would be the right piece.

PlumHollow » 14 Feb 2023, 10:13 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 10:13 am

With that in mind and thinking about situations like that, I start wondering if I'm packing for a gun fight or a gut shot.
What you say makes me think a Bond .45 derringer would be the right piece.

You still have to cock the derringer.  Why not just get a small kimber 357?



If someone is coming for you in your own home, I get it, I'd have something a with more capacity and more powerful to greet them with.  But, remember when you are carrying, there is no "castle doctrine".  You're not going to be taking shots any farther than 15 feet.I

I personally carry one of 3 guns:  Diamondback db9 - small, relatively inexpensive 9mm which I can pocket-carry.  STI LS40 which I can pocket carry.  And, a Boberg XR9 which I can pocket carry.  While I really like the Boberg, they have gotten kind of collectible, so I don't carry it much.  Same with the STI LS40.  As for the db9 - it's a knock-around gun.  Holds up pretty well too, but I don't shoot it that much.  Just enough to make sure it works with my choice of ammo, which is staggered:  Hollow point in the pipe, followed by 2 solids and the rest hollow points.  Need to do it that way to make it reliable.
 
 

Skans » 14 Feb 2023, 10:18 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 10:18 am

You still have to cock the derringer.  Why not just get a small kimber 357?



If someone is coming for you in your own home, I get it, I'd have something a with more capacity and more powerful to greet them with.  But, remember when you are carrying, there is no "castle doctrine".  You're not going to be taking shots any farther than 15 feet.I

I personally carry one of 3 guns:  Diamondback db9 - small, relatively inexpensive 9mm which I can pocket-carry.  STI LS40 which I can pocket carry.  And, a Boberg XR9 which I can pocket carry.  While I really like the Boberg, they have gotten kind of collectible, so I don't carry it much.  Same with the STI LS40.  As for the db9 - it's a knock-around gun.  Holds up pretty well too, but I don't shoot it that much.  Just enough to make sure it works with my choice of ammo, which is staggered:  Hollow point in the pipe, followed by 2 solids and the rest hollow points.  Need to do it that way to make it reliable.

A Sig 365 is pretty small too. Not as finicky about ammo.
Plus the slide pull weight is significantly less.

That little Kimber looks interesting.
.357 must be a real slammer in that small a gun.

DeezerShoove » 15 Feb 2023, 2:46 pm » wrote: ↑

15 Feb 2023, 2:46 pm

A Sig 365 is pretty small too. Not as finicky about ammo.
Plus the slide pull weight is significantly less.

That little Kimber looks interesting.
.357 must be a real slammer in that small a gun.

I don't own one, but considered getting one.  It is nice sized for concealed carry.  I'm sure it's got a good kick to it.  But, it's not a range gun, its for self defense.
 

Skans » 14 Feb 2023, 10:18 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 10:18 am

You still have to cock the derringer.  Why not just get a small kimber 357?



If someone is coming for you in your own home, I get it, I'd have something a with more capacity and more powerful to greet them with.  But, remember when you are carrying, there is no "castle doctrine".  You're not going to be taking shots any farther than 15 feet.I

I personally carry one of 3 guns:  Diamondback db9 - small, relatively inexpensive 9mm which I can pocket-carry.  STI LS40 which I can pocket carry.  And, a Boberg XR9 which I can pocket carry.  While I really like the Boberg, they have gotten kind of collectible, so I don't carry it much.  Same with the STI LS40.  As for the db9 - it's a knock-around gun.  Holds up pretty well too, but I don't shoot it that much.  Just enough to make sure it works with my choice of ammo, which is staggered:  Hollow point in the pipe, followed by 2 solids and the rest hollow points.  Need to do it that way to make it reliable.

It's kind of heavy for edc.
Your db9 is lighter and cheaper.
You do get what you pay for in the gun world.

PlumHollow » 16 Feb 2023, 9:22 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 9:22 am

It's kind of heavy for edc.
Your db9 is lighter and cheaper.
You do get what you pay for in the gun world.

The db9 is lighter, cheaper and more finicky when it comes to ammo. Yes, you do get what you pay for in the gun world.  If someone made a better version of the db9, I'd snap it up.  And, if someone made a good quality da/sa version of the db9 - I'd pay a big premium to get one. So far, it's the smallest, slimmest micro-9 available.  
 

Skans » 16 Feb 2023, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 9:48 am

The db9 is lighter, cheaper and more finicky when it comes to ammo. Yes, you do get what you pay for in the gun world.  If someone made a better version of the db9, I'd snap it up.  And, if someone made a good quality da/sa version of the db9 - I'd pay a big premium to get one. So far, it's the smallest, slimmest micro-9 available.

I talked to a gun dealer about tuning up a Taurus.
At the time I think we were talking about The Judge.

His attitude was: Why throw away money on a crappy gun? Spend it on a good one in the first place.

I see his point IF there's a quality gun of the size, caliber, style in question.
Like the DB9 you appreciate for its attributes. Seems like you cannot find that in a "quality gun".
So, a tuned DB9 is a good route. IMO.

If, or course, it is tunable in the first place.
Upscaled parts probably don't exist so you're left with smoothing surfaces and maybe a spring change.
 

PlumHollow » 14 Feb 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 9:45 am

I don't keep one in the pipe.
I figure I'm no quick draw artist anyway and whatever I'm doing I will interrupt.
Then I can use both hands and maybe that is the pause that calms me down. Like counting to ten but way shorter.

Bad idea, especially if some piece of **** criminal has hold of one of your arms.

DeezerShoove » 17 Feb 2023, 12:37 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 12:37 pm

I talked to a gun dealer about tuning up a Taurus.
At the time I think we were talking about The Judge.

His attitude was: Why throw away money on a crappy gun? Spend it on a good one in the first place.

I see his point IF there's a quality gun of the size, caliber, style in question.
Like the DB9 you appreciate for its attributes. Seems like you cannot find that in a "quality gun".
So, a tuned DB9 is a good route. IMO.

If, or course, it is tunable in the first place.
Upscaled parts probably don't exist so you're left with smoothing surfaces and maybe a spring change.

That's right, about all you can do is a minor fluff-'n-buff and make sure you have good magazines.
 

murdock » 17 Feb 2023, 1:25 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 1:25 pm

Bad idea, especially if some piece of **** criminal has hold of one of your arms.

I agree.

PlumHollow » 03 Jan 2023, 5:54 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Jan 2023, 5:54 pm

I got a Ruger 57 a little while ago.
It's a cool little shooter but I was wondering if anyone had experience with it's companion piece.

LC Carbine

That really is a nice looking piece by Ruger.  How is the ammo cost?
 

DeezerShoove » 10 Feb 2023, 2:24 pm » wrote: ↑

10 Feb 2023, 2:24 pm

There was a guy selling a "reamer" of some kind that would take a .223 caliber spec up to 5.56mm spec.
The pressures can exceed the max spec in a .223 weapon using 5.56 ammo.
People think they are interchangeable but technically not.
5.56 specs a tad bit larger. Maybe head space tolerances come into play as well.

If you have a .223 rifle at the low end of tolerance, the 5.56 ammo will fit, fire, cycle but the pressures can be high.
Even though it's only a few ten thousandths, damage (and or injury) can result. 
It is a small diameter after all.

So this guy (in Michigan I believe) was selling this clean-out tool for way too much money.
A little grinder in the shape and size of a NATO 5.56 round. 
Anybody heard of this tool out there?

About the only rifle I have that I would ever need to even think about this is an old Remington 788 .223.  Still, because it's a Remington 788, I know that I can shoot 5.56 in it all day long and not worry about it.  Hardly anyone has old .223 bolt action rifles anymore.  I just happen to have one that was given to me.  It was a rusty, ugly old rifle and I refinished it - rather nice to look at now.
 

Skans » 17 Feb 2023, 4:19 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 4:19 pm

I agree.  If you are going to carry, or even keep a gun around the home for protection, you've gotta keep one in the pipe.  There's no reason you can't start with that premise, and then pick the gun with the safety features that works best for you.  This is why I don't carry a Glock.

I carry one of three, a desert eagle 1911, s&w ez 9mm or a Ruger sp-101 357.

Skans » 17 Feb 2023, 2:13 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 2:13 pm

That's right, about all you can do is a minor fluff-'n-buff and make sure you have good magazines. Also, you can use varying ammo to ensure reliability.  So, here's the deal with the db9 - The one in the pipe should be hollow-point.  Then, the #1 and #2 in the magazine are high-quality round-nose jacketed ammo.  Then, back to hollow-points.  That works consistently in my db9. 

If they made a better version of the db9, I'd buy it.  I am always looking for a better micro 9.  But, it must be DAO with a good trigger or DA/SA, and absolutely no larger than my db9.  That is very hard to find.  A Rohrbaugh 9mm is one of two that come close.  However, it is even more finicky than the db9, not made anymore and a lot more expensive.  The  Boberg/Bond Arms XR9s is an excellent gun and, with the right ammo, works flawlessly.  And, I do carry my Boberg every now and then - but I don't have to be careful with the db9 - bang it around all I want.

There's something to be said about cheap and nasty.
If it works, all's well.
I had a car like that. People would move out of my way or not park by it.
A "nuthin' to lose" car. Got me where I wanted to go.

A $900 Kimber needs TLC. I'm not a TLC kind of person.

DeezerShoove » 17 Feb 2023, 6:50 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 6:50 pm

There's something to be said about cheap and nasty.
If it works, all's well.
I had a car like that. People would move out of my way or not park by it.
A "nuthin' to lose" car. Got me where I wanted to go.

A $900 Kimber needs TLC. I'm not a TLC kind of person.

Those sure are beautiful guns.
 

Skans » 18 Feb 2023, 10:53 am » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 10:53 am

I love beautiful guns.  I even sometimes love carrying a really nice gun.  But, I also like practical guns.  Who says you can't have both?

I have both, too.
You can find beauty in just about anything.

Well, maybe not a concrete block . . . but you know what I mean.