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Some MIM parts might fail more than forged/milled parts.  That's what I heard anyway.

Bruce » 11 Sep 2023, 2:32 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Sep 2023, 2:32 pm

Caused Republicans to stockpile ammo.

Since 2008 the majors can forget about quality control and run the machines as fast as they can.

Before Obama they had to worry if there were more than one misfire per brick.

You're a goddamned liar. I ain't never had quality ammo misfire.
 

murdock » 27 Sep 2023, 2:34 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2023, 2:34 pm

You're a goddamned liar. I ain't never had quality ammo misfire.

Misfires are pretty rare in my experience.
In these days of semi-auto's being king, that'd be a big damper on the trend.
Revolvers have been considered nearly obsolete by some folks for a while now.
That is how reliable ammo has become.

Even old Russian and ChiCom crap in steel and aluminum with mercury primers isn't so prone to misfire.
So, I don't know what the Bruce guy is posting about. Must be just a stupid troll.

murdock » 27 Sep 2023, 2:34 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2023, 2:34 pm

 I ain't never had quality ammo misfire
 

I once had so-called quality ammo misfire - Fiocci I think.   H
 

DeezerShoove » 27 Sep 2023, 4:10 pm » wrote: ↑

27 Sep 2023, 4:10 pm

Misfires are pretty rare in my experience.
In these days of semi-auto's being king, that'd be a big damper on the trend.
Revolvers have been considered nearly obsolete by some folks for a while now.
That is how reliable ammo has become.

Even old Russian and ChiCom crap in steel and aluminum with mercury primers isn't so prone to misfire.
So, I don't know what the Bruce guy is posting about. Must be just a stupid troll.

Bad ammo can be dirty and make your hands sooty after firing some.
 

Bruce » 05 Aug 2023, 2:01 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Aug 2023, 2:01 pm

Their New Model Vaquero is very near an exact replica.


 
My 44 Special Flattops are improved, special run New Vaqueros.

Improvements

Zero aluminum

All chrome moly steel even shroud and plunger 

44 Special chambering 

Unique index system 

Unique base pin (Keith load proof)

Flat top frame 

Micro all steel sights

Plus, only the most experienced hands at Ruger touched them.  The first run was 2000.

It likely was the most accurate production big bore revolver in history.

It was a production version of Elmer Keith’s legendary 1928 custom Colt  Number 5, the Colt he shot a running wounded mule deer at 600 yards.

 Read all about Number 5 here

https://fieldethos.com/a-field-ethos-no ... 20century.

LOL, the Ruger Vasquero is not a copy of the Colt Single Action Army:

• Colt didn't make the SAA out of stainless steel
• Parts don't interchange
• Internal action is different
• Ruger uses a cast frame and cast parts; Colt used forged frames and forged parts
• Colt uses a fixed-pin hammer with no firing block; Ruger has a frame-mounted firing pin, where the hammer strikes a firing pin with a pin safety.
• The Ruger frames are a bit beefier than the SAA

That being said, there's nothing wrong wit the Ruger Vasquero, and, as I understand it, it can be slicked up to perform pretty nicely.

 

Skans » 29 Sep 2023, 8:18 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 8:18 am

The old ChiCom AK ammo, i.e. the corrosive stuff that you can't find anymore, was perfectly good ammo. You can store it for a long time and it will work perfectly. Only problem was its dirty as all get-out to shoot.  After I would put a couple magazines through my AK of that stuff, my hands were sooty and the rifle was filthy.

I used to fire some decent stuff after using that crap. Made me feel like I was blowing out the carbon.
Maybe it helped a little.  

DeezerShoove » 29 Sep 2023, 8:30 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 8:30 am

I used to fire some decent stuff after using that crap. Made me feel like I was blowing out the carbon.
Maybe it helped a little.

I loved shooting the corrosive stuff.  Especially at an indoor range, LOL .  In a good AK variant, one with a chrome lined barrel and chamber,  the stuff was great.  People would bitch about cleaning the gun afterword, but the truth is that all you need is soap and water.  No need for petrol-based solvents.  Of course, you would have to make sure you dried you gun well.  Also, you do need to clean it - not like you can put it up in the safe for a year and expect it not to rust.  Oh, and one other thing - NEVER NEVER NEVER SHOOT THAT **** AND HAVE YOUR OTHER GUNS SITTING RIGHT NEAR YOUR AK!!!
 

Skans » 29 Sep 2023, 8:35 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 8:35 am

I loved shooting the corrosive stuff.  Especially at an indoor range, LOL .  In a good AK variant, one with a chrome lined barrel and chamber,  the stuff was great.  People would bitch about cleaning the gun afterword, but the truth is that all you need is soap and water.  No need for petrol-based solvents.  Of course, you would have to make sure you dried you gun well.  Also, you do need to clean it - not like you can put it up in the safe for a year and expect it not to rust.  Oh, and one other thing - NEVER NEVER NEVER SHOOT THAT **** AND HAVE YOUR OTHER GUNS SITTING RIGHT NEAR YOUR AK!!!

I am abusive and have more money than brains. Not much of either.

Everything I own is disposable. No heirlooms.

I bought an antique camel back couch once. Brought it home and instantly called the dogs to jump up.
My friends were appalled.
I said, "Drools and Balls are going to do it anyway. Might as well see the inauguration."

I had the couch for over ten years. Sold it. Life is good.   

DeezerShoove » 29 Sep 2023, 8:45 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 8:45 am

I am abusive and have more money than brains. Not much of either.

Everything I own is disposable. No heirlooms.

I bought an antique camel back couch once. Brought it home and instantly called the dogs to jump up.
My friends were appalled.
I said, "Drools and Balls are going to do it anyway. Might as well see the inauguration."

I had the couch for over ten years. Sold it. Life is good. 

Oh, I admit, I have my safe queens, heirlooms, etc.  Got my shooters and my queens; love 'em all the same.
 

Skans » 29 Sep 2023, 8:49 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 8:49 am

Oh, I admit, I have my safe queens, heirlooms, etc.  Got my shooters and my queens; love 'em all the same.

I had one I sold about 6 months ago.
Ruger Red Label O/U. Never been fired. Very pretty gun.
Somebody's happy.  

I figure I would have eventually scratched it or dented the stock. Something dumb.
Since I'm no heirloom collector, why deny this really rare thing from someone who will probably appreciate more than me?
I have a 1935 Remington bolt action .22 that has some real history.
Some of if I inflicted on it myself.   
My grandad's originally. It has been involved with drunks and skunks, city dump rat shoots, dropped, forgotten, sanded then oiled, screwdriver marks, cleaned with coathangers and 3inOne, feral cat killing sprees, plinking, etc.
Still shoots straight. It is a queen in its own right.

DeezerShoove » 29 Sep 2023, 9:03 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 9:03 am

I had one I sold about 6 months ago.
Ruger Red Label O/U. Never been fired. Very pretty gun.
Somebody's happy.  


 

How dare you treat a gun that way!!!  
 

Skans » 29 Sep 2023, 9:09 am » wrote: ↑

29 Sep 2023, 9:09 am

How dare you treat a gun that way!!!    I should give you another "how dare you" for selling that Ruger Red Label. Those were good guns.  I was considering buying one, but then I had someone offer me a nice Beretta Gold Pigeon for a good price.  So, I bought the Beretta.  Sweet O/U.  But, I admit, I don't want to get it scratched up.  And, the gun was too good for me.  In other words, my clay shooting skills wasn't worthy of sporting that particular Beretta.  I kept the Beretta but bought a cheap Russian Baikal O/U.  I shoot the crap out of that one.  Even so, some semi-auto clay shooter comment on it thinking its a fancy O/U.  LOL - far from it.  Its a bit heavy, but balanced, and it shoots ok.  So, the Beretta mostly sits in my safe and the O/U I paid $350 for gets shot.

I get confused by nice things.
Some people cover their furniture to save it.
Paper book covers also seem like a waste.
Buying gold coins. In plastic holders. Huh?

Sure I could have held onto the Red Label. Didn't need the money.
But what for? Never gonna shoot it. Just risking the finish by taking it out once in a while.
A pretty that can't be displayed.

Gold coins in plastic really does seem kinda **** up. Am I missing something?
It's just weight in coin form. A step up from mere bullion. Not a rare collectable.

DeezerShoove » 01 Oct 2023, 3:15 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2023, 3:15 pm

I get confused by nice things.
Some people cover their furniture to save it.
Paper book covers also seem like a waste.
Buying gold coins. In plastic holders. Huh?

Sure I could have held onto the Red Label. Didn't need the money.
But what for? Never gonna shoot it. Just risking the finish by taking it out once in a while.
A pretty that can't be displayed.

Gold coins in plastic really does seem kinda **** up. Am I missing something?
It's just weight in coin form. A step up from mere bullion. Not a rare collectable.

Should I purchase precious metals?
 
 

Skans » 01 Oct 2023, 8:44 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2023, 8:44 pm

When I purchase precious metals, I only buy the bars in serial-numbered, plastic sealed packages. That way I know what I'm getting.  Too may fake gold-plated brass coins and bars out there from China....

So when is ****-hits-the-fan time?
What would make you sell?

I have some gold too. But I got some small gold coins in the mix.
Don't want to pay for bread in ounce coin increments.
But I have a nagging feeling that this is not doomsday barter.

Doomsday people won't much care about gold.
Bread and water, medicine, shelter, protection. Where does gold fit in?

So, this is only for a "continuing" civilization. It's a token effort against inflation.
When the gold becomes $4000 an ounce (or more) who will buy it?
Will the car dealership take gold? Mortgage? Etc.

I just can't fix on when the Hard Asset will play a crucial role...
 

DeezerShoove » 01 Oct 2023, 10:44 pm » wrote: ↑

01 Oct 2023, 10:44 pm

So when is ****-hits-the-fan time?
 

Gold or Platinum?
 
 

Skans » 02 Oct 2023, 9:43 am » wrote: ↑

02 Oct 2023, 9:43 am

Gold (Platinum and Palladium) is NOT doomsday barter.  It is Financial Meltdown re-start funds.  Junk Silver (old, worn silver coins - i.e. mercury dimes, etc.) is doomsday barter.

If Gold ever went to $10,000/ounce or more in short order, that would mean stocks, bonds, and cash took a huge Obama-sized dump.  So, if you have a stock portfolio worth 100K, and Gold worth 10K (in today's dollars), then when your stock portfolio goes to 30K and your gold goes to 100K, your wealth is basically preserved.  Sell 90% of your gold, buy stocks cheap, and re-balance.

You basically just agreed with me.

It is "continuing civilization" barter. Not doomsday prepper ****.
It is mere financial planning. IOW Trying to do better than other people.

Maybe I'm simplifying it. But ultimately that all it is.
You are timing the market (should it still exist).
If you have 100 one ounce coins, do you have them in your possession or "being held securely" for you?
What I don't quite get is when the gold pops to 10,000/ounce, can you find someone to buy it?
Gold stores will close for that week.  
 

DeezerShoove » 02 Oct 2023, 7:31 pm » wrote: ↑

02 Oct 2023, 7:31 pm

You basically just agreed with me.

Yes.

Skans » 03 Oct 2023, 7:51 am » wrote: ↑

03 Oct 2023, 7:51 am

Yes.

It is financial planning.  But, it is not trying to do better than other people.  It is trying to preserve what you have. I never cared much about other people's finances - - just like I've never cared about how 2 people have sex in private.

I think "hedging" might be a better term.  I don't time the market.  I leave my investments alone for the most part and only make changes if a company falls out of favor for a particular reason, or if there's a really good deal to be had.

If I had them, I would only have them in my possession.  I would never trust anyone or any institution to hold them for me.

If the market rate is $10K/ounce, then by definition there are people lining up to buy it at that price. Some folks might see it going all the way to $20K/ounce.

There's always:

• Kitco
• APMEX
• JM Bullion

A few of these are quite dependent on things being "normal".

Also, financial planning is very dependent on doing better than others.
As you alluded to, it is preserving what you have perhaps better than others relatively speaking.
You will, after all, spend that money in a market based on what everyone else does and has.
(It has nothing to do with 2 weirdos having sex with fetishes...    Analogy not accepted.)

Also2, "Some folks might see it going..."   Heavy on the Hope-Factor-Meter.
It leaves a lot of room for doubt about the value/access/utility of a stack of metal buried in the backyard.
I remain unsure.   

I just watched a video of the 2024 lineup.