Liberal Forum

Bob » 17 Jan 2023, 7:11 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 7:11 am

 Serious brainwash programing, the liberals were originally people who tended to be more interested in individual freedom than a monarchy form of government. 

True.  But, that was a long, long time ago.  Things have changed.

Monarchy gals and guys tend to be republican or democrat and the jivers always categorize people into groups. The serfs continue to pay large corporation lords huge subsidies with republican or democrat leadership even after the well subsidized lords are openly removing and replacing the serf population.

Sorry if that was too long, you can banish me, that's how monarchy works.

We do not live in a monarchy - never have in this country, and there are no serfs.  No slaves either, for that matter - not for 160 years.

FOS » 17 Jan 2023, 7:14 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 7:14 am

well when i use the word liberal, i actually refer to actual liberalism: THe political philosophy that arose around the 18th century
 

I understand that, and if this were the 1700's, I might agree with you.  Things change, the meaning of words change.  Liberal now means someone who wants open borders, no enforcement of laws, recreational drugs for free (or cheep), and to liberally have sex with anyone or anything they want and have others acknowledge it as "normal".

I would probably be considered a liberal by 18th century definitions.
 

DeezerShoove » 17 Jan 2023, 7:48 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 7:48 am

People that haven't had to view the real world.
This is evidenced by the fallback response in an argument:
"Gee, it just doesn't have to be this way."

Whether or not that creates or maintains a progressive mindset is irrelevant.

You made an interesting point.  It is interesting because that one trait likely serves to distinguish leftists from liberals.  Liberals live in a bubble, and elitist fantasy land.  They have more than they think they need and they feel irrationally guilty about it.

Leftists just want what you have and will use politics, the law and criminal activity to get it - they live in the streets, gutters, brothels, bum camps and crack dens.
 
 

Skans » 16 Jan 2023, 4:40 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023, 4:40 pm

What really makes up a Liberal?  Well, I'll start this off:

• A man with weak morals
• A man with a weak disposition toward punishment of wrong-doers
• A loose woman - one who thinks she can have sex with no consequences physical or psychological consequence
• Women who range from seeing Abortion as "their constitutional right which they plan on embracing" to those who see it as a "necessary evil"
• Place no importance on the white-man's document called the "Constitution"
• Believe inappropriate speech should be severely punished, and punished by government if they can get away with it.
• Liberals believe in the Hypocritic Oath - "Do what I tell you to do, not what I do.......because the rules and laws do not apply to me"
• A man or woman with a mental disorder which causes them to seek sex with those who are the same sex as themselves, and forces others to celebrate this as "normal".
• Men and women who often work against their own interests, because they are ashamed or insecure and want to prove to others how "woke" they are.
• Men and women who get offended easily
• Men and women who do not know what a man or woman really is, rather they accept the contrived, contorted and twisted views of a select few over what common sense, nature and science dictate.
• People who like to spend other people's money
• Children who fail to grow up and take on genuine responsibility
• People who "live for the moment", over planning and working toward one's own future.
• Those who rely on others to do for them that which they are too lazy to do.

Any other comments or definitions are welcome.  As I said, this is a debate, not a thread for piss-in-the-wind, silly essays.

Sounds like a conservative actually. 

well except the punishment thing-y’all fetishized that ****. 

There are consequence in everything you do in life. Just bcuz a woman becomes pregnant does not mean she consents to the pregnancy. 

Besides-babies are not innocent, original sin is something you believe in. You know, it’s sort of like reparations but in reverse. 

 

Pastafarian » 17 Jan 2023, 8:02 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 8:02 am

There are consequence in everything you do in life. Just bcuz a woman becomes pregnant does not mean she consents to the pregnancy. 


 

Unless she's retarded or has been raped, it does mean that she has consented to the consequences of having sex with a man.  Even if she chooses to kill her fetus/baby, she still got pregnant as a direct consequence of having sex with a man. Therefore, she did in fact consent to the pregnancy. 

Besides-babies are not innocent, original sin is something you believe in. You know, it’s sort of like reparations but in reverse.

Original sin represents the flaws all humans have in comparison to our perfect Lord. God could have made man and women perfect, in his image, but he decided to let our species try and learn from our mistakes and evolve to be more like Him over time, if we can.  That is why He gave us free will. Innocence in terms of babies is nonsensical.  Babies are new Humans - purely instinctual beings without any knowledge of rules, laws, right, wrong, etc.  Innocence and guilt pertain to a fully developed human's ability or inability to live within the confines of man's laws.
 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 7:59 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 7:59 am

I understand that, and if this were the 1700's, I might agree with you.  Things change, the meaning of words change.  Liberal now means someone who wants open borders, no enforcement of laws, recreational drugs for free (or cheep), and to liberally have sex with anyone or anything they want and have others acknowledge it as "normal".

I would probably be considered a liberal by 18th century definitions.

Well I just can't bring myself to use the new meaning of liberal cause I still read a lot of old books

No one is stopping anyone from reading old books.
Mein Kampf is. nonetheless a book for enemies of humanity.

Skans » 16 Jan 2023, 4:40 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Jan 2023, 4:40 pm

What really makes up a Liberal?  Well, I'll start this off:

• A man with weak morals
• A man with a weak disposition toward punishment of wrong-doers
• A loose woman - one who thinks she can have sex with no consequences physical or psychological consequence
• Women who range from seeing Abortion as "their constitutional right which they plan on embracing" to those who see it as a "necessary evil"
• Place no importance on the white-man's document called the "Constitution"
• Believe inappropriate speech should be severely punished, and punished by government if they can get away with it.
• Liberals believe in the Hypocritic Oath - "Do what I tell you to do, not what I do.......because the rules and laws do not apply to me"
• A man or woman with a mental disorder which causes them to seek sex with those who are the same sex as themselves, and forces others to celebrate this as "normal".
• Men and women who often work against their own interests, because they are ashamed or insecure and want to prove to others how "woke" they are.
• Men and women who get offended easily
• Men and women who do not know what a man or woman really is, rather they accept the contrived, contorted and twisted views of a select few over what common sense, nature and science dictate.
• People who like to spend other people's money
• Children who fail to grow up and take on genuine responsibility
• People who "live for the moment", over planning and working toward one's own future.
• Those who rely on others to do for them that which they are too lazy to do.

Any other comments or definitions are welcome.  As I said, this is a debate, not a thread for piss-in-the-wind, silly essays.

Debating talking points, single word of vocabulary, doesn't resolve issues creating natural conflicts of interpretation between lifetimes never same results twice evolving individually forward here now.

Liberal is as much an adjective as it is a noun defining a type of behavior assumed after birth simply born a replacement for a specific ancestral lineage forward living currently here within the living 5 gaps present.

Every generation gap has liberals in both male and female displacement by race, creed, color, national origin, and the rest of vocabulary misrepresenting life evolving forward in plain sight.

Nostradamus'omh » 17 Jan 2023, 8:27 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 8:27 am

Liberal is as much an adjective as it is a noun...
 

Welcome to English 101 - so are many words.   
 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 8:30 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 8:30 am

Welcome to English 101 - so are many words.   
 

Oh gee! another deflection from kinetic life using reasonable doubt semantics.

Nostradamus'omh » 17 Jan 2023, 8:32 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 8:32 am

Oh gee! another deflection from kinetic life using reasonable doubt semantics.

Just the truth.  Just the verifiable, undeniable, delectable and impeccable truth.
 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 8:33 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 8:33 am

Just the truth.  Just the verifiable, undeniable, delectable and impeccable truth.
 

Genetics works living reproductions to mutually evolving since conceived to replace their previous 4 generation gaps added since inception of this species into this atmosphere.

Simple compounding DNA results timed apart by the moment here regardless which timezone one is ancestrally occupying space adapting to the moment here.

Everyone believing anything else is possible reciting relative time logistics is typecast into their own interpretaiton life exceeds evolving here now as spontaneously never the same details twice forward as total sum present and "accounted" for their one time genetic displacement never same form added a fertilized cell.

Common since every reproduction ever lived or living never exceeds being alive now. Universal constant past, current event, next generation should there be one "tomorrow".

Tomorrow is a metaphor for next generation added. that son or daughter is also a grandchild, great grandchild, great great grandchild in the same time living that could evolve into 1 of 2 parents or not, might become 1 of 4 grandparents or not, etc. Life only evolves in series parallel displacement here.

always has, but no reality admits it historically or currently. here you are defending character, not ancestral time displaced equally balancing in same space same moment your body is never same total sum again as mine always evolving forward here.

ssdd. In reality honesty and good deeds never go unpunished by those managing reasonable doubt inception to extinction.

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 7:56 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 7:56 am

True.  But, that was a long, long time ago.  Things have changed.

We do not live in a monarchy - never have in this country, and there are no serfs.  No slaves either, for that matter - not for 160 years.

USA was absolute monarchy rule from 1500 to 1776, governments have always tended to be monarchy-dictatorship.

The best slave is the slave who has no clue that they are a salve and works voluntarily to recruit others (hey, this slave stuff is great).

 In 1783 the owner of the people inhabiting what was to become the fully recognized country, the United States of America were released from subject status, >>>>chattel property, of former owner King George<<<<<<<. The 1783 Treaty of Peace recognized the People as Sovereigns in our own right on the land. The Kings former governments as the Kings property transferred to the Peoples ownership as did the Kings ownership over the land.

 You get experimental medical injections and no religion too or ya get banished, whats that?

 7th-century Anglo Saxon "Oath of Fealty" similarity to 21st century corporation contract, twitter, etc..

    By the corporation commune (lord) before whom this sanctuary is holy, I will to corporation commune (lord) be true and faithful, and love all which he loves and shun all which he shuns, according to the laws of anti all creation (God) and the order of the world. Nor will I ever with will or action, through word or deed, do anything which is unpleasing to the corporation commune (him), on condition that the corporation commune (he) will hold to me as I shall deserve it (bust a deal face the wheel), and that the corporation commune (he) will perform everything as it was in our agreement when I submitted myself to corporation commune (him) and chose the corporation communes (his) will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puJt66y0TBw









 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 7:53 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 7:53 am

No.  Not a Chinese hoax.  An American socialist hoax.

I REST MY CASE!

Bob » 17 Jan 2023, 8:47 am » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 8:47 am

USA was absolute monarchy rule from 1500 to 1776, governments have always tended to be monarchy-dictatorship.

The best slave is the slave who has no clue that they are a salve and works voluntarily to recruit others (hey, this slave stuff is great).

 In 1783 the owner of the people inhabiting what was to become the fully recognized country, the United States of America were released from subject status, >>>>chattel property, of former owner King George<<<<<<<. The 1783 Treaty of Peace recognized the People as Sovereigns in our own right on the land. The Kings former governments as the Kings property transferred to the Peoples ownership as did the Kings ownership over the land.

 You get experimental medical injections and no religion too or ya get banished, whats that?

 7th-century Anglo Saxon "Oath of Fealty" similarity to 21st century corporation contract, twitter, etc..

    By the corporation commune (lord) before whom this sanctuary is holy, I will to corporation commune (lord) be true and faithful, and love all which he loves and shun all which he shuns, according to the laws of anti all creation (God) and the order of the world. Nor will I ever with will or action, through word or deed, do anything which is unpleasing to the corporation commune (him), on condition that the corporation commune (he) will hold to me as I shall deserve it (bust a deal face the wheel), and that the corporation commune (he) will perform everything as it was in our agreement when I submitted myself to corporation commune (him) and chose the corporation communes (his) will.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=puJt66y0TBw

At least with 'America Inc.' you get a turn over at the top.
Putin, Kim Jong Un, Mohammad bin Salman, or King George, not so much.

Generally, the dividing line is if someone wants equality of outcome or not. Liberals do and Conservatives do not.

impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 2:05 pm

Generally, the dividing line is if someone wants equality of outcome or not. Liberals do and Conservatives do not.

What a great misdirection, genetics doesn't deliver equal incoming ancestors so why does humanity come off demanding equal outcome socially? Living isn't fair, just balancing between extreme forms of denying genetics eternally separates current populaiton.

impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 2:05 pm

Generally, the dividing line is if someone wants equality of outcome or not. Liberals do and Conservatives do not.

This is true in most cases. 

Ive noticed when i used to work for a living you always have that one white dude that nicpicks everything the black dude does. 

Talks behind his back and trys to get him fired. 

I had a few jobs like that. 


 

impartialobserver » 17 Jan 2023, 2:05 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 2:05 pm

Generally, the dividing line is if someone wants equality of outcome or not. Liberals do and Conservatives do not.

Equality of the application of laws and rules to every individual is all anyone should ever expect.
 

Skans » 17 Jan 2023, 2:35 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Jan 2023, 2:35 pm

Equality of the application of laws and rules to every individual is all anyone should ever expect.

The crucial flaw in your logic comes down to one word, "should". Perception gets in the way of such a lofty goal. Besides, politicians care deeply about being viewed as the hero and savior.. I know, I have heard it straight from the horse's mouth. That demands that we cater to certain groups.