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freeman » 20 Jan 2023, 9:11 am » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2023, 9:11 am

Sorry jack, I'm afraid I wasn't very clear. What I meant was that specific, singular, outcome, as if it were the only bad outcome. So by "bad outcome" I meant more broadly any one of hundreds to thousands of potential bad outcomes.
Pfizer trials - 1,291 different "adverse events of special interest"
mRNA vaxx - functional reprogramming of innate immune responses- favoring cancer
COVID Vaccines Linked to Shingles Reactivation

Up until Big Pharma's most recent criminal acts, it was the drug maker's responsibility to prove that their new product was not the cause - not the responsibility of the injured or the family of the dead to prove that the clot shot is the cause. But the evidence is becoming overwhelming.

So jack, what do you suppose caused a 4 times what would be expected from a once in 200 year event increase in mortality, in working age people, beginning in the year of clot shot rollout?
Life insurance CEO says deaths are up 40% among people ages 18-64

Even though heart related mortality was higher in Pfizer's own trials, it took them and their U.S. government bi*ch to admit that the vaccine is responsible for myocarditis. It took overwhelming evidence to do so. And as one cardiologist put it: "Suggesting myocarditis to be mild is like saying someone can be partially pregnant." It always results in permanent damage. 
Myocarditis numbers before COVID were 4 per million, post jab 25,000 per million

Vaccine-Induced Myocarditis in Children May Have 50% Fatality Rate in Five Years

Perhaps the only reason you still believe that is you fell Big Pharma's bi*ch the CDC labeling vaccine deaths as unvaxxed COVID deaths (deaths within 2 weeks after second jab as of "unvaxxed").
The Vaccine Death Report
NSW: 798 COVID deaths in the last 8 weeks, all but 2 were vaccinated

Your sources are Right wing political organizations, not medical organizations, definitely not science.

So given what you believe,  don't speculate on what I believe - it's not "Big Pharma". It is science. Your beliefs, on the other hand, such as half the nation's children dying in five years, are from a fountain of conspiracies and paranoia.  You don't even express yourself rationally, e.g. "...the year of the clot", "their U. S. government bi'ch"; engaging in the Right wing practice of trying to make up with noise the certainty it lacks in knowledge.

In short. you and your sources are making medical science based claims absent the medical science.

jack » 20 Jan 2023, 1:27 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2023, 1:27 pm

Your sources are Right wing political organizations

Like Indiana Life Insurance Company?A
Attacking messengers is always a sign of desperation, jack.

, not medical organizations,

Referring to Big Pharma's government bureaucrats that broke your mind and sacrificed 1.1 million Americans on the alter of Big Pharma's and their bi*ches profit?

definitely not science.

So given what you believe,  don't speculate on what I believe - it's not "Big Pharma". It is science.

Save me speculating then! Let's revisit this little grade school math problem I presented previously regarding THE SCIENCE of COVID-19 treatment:

MyFreeDoctor.com has treated 150,000 COVID patients and only lost 4. So jack, theoretically, if all Americans could have received that level of care from the beginning of the "pandemic", what would the total U.S. casualties from the pandemic have been instead of 1.1 million?
 
 

Selaphobia » 18 Jan 2023, 6:29 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jan 2023, 6:29 pm

can you **** read?

 

No., she can't. She is like Veghead and VG, she only skims 5 words. Nothing more.

freeman » 20 Jan 2023, 2:57 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2023, 2:57 pm

Like Indiana Life Insurance Company?A
Attacking messengers is always a sign of desperation, jack.

Referring to Big Pharma's government bureaucrats that broke your mind and sacrificed 1.1 million Americans on the alter of Big Pharma's and their bi*ches profit?

Save me speculating then! Let's revisit this little grade school math problem I presented previously regarding THE SCIENCE of COVID-19 treatment:

MyFreeDoctor.com has treated 150,000 COVID patients and only lost 4. So jack, theoretically, if all Americans could have received that level of care from the beginning of the "pandemic", what would the total U.S. casualties from the pandemic have been instead of 1.1 million?

I didn't attack your sources - that is a regular Righty device; I said what they are. None are medical science sources. The rest of that reply is an attempt to change the subject. Can't blame you.

jack » 20 Jan 2023, 3:10 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2023, 3:10 pm

I didn't attack your sources - that is a regular Righty device; I said what they are. None are medical science sources. The rest of that reply is an attempt to change the subject. Can't blame you.

Unlike yourself I will reply to all of your post in detail as I have in the past, but wanted you to stop ignoring the question I asked twice regarding the science of evidenced based COVID treatment.
Or are you going to confirm that you are clueless regarding that science or even as to what science is?

Perhaps the grade school math was the problem, so let me offer a couple of even simpler problems.

On March 23rd of 2020 Dr. Zev Zelenko reported curing 500 elderly and high-risk patients with 0 deaths, 0 hospitalizations and 0 intubations.

If from the beginning of the pandemic, if everyone who got COVID had been treated with that level of care, what would the theoretical total of COVID deaths in the U.S. have been instead of 1.1 million?

That would be the same answer as for Dr. Brian Tyson who in mid-2020 reported having cured 1900 patients with 0 deaths and 1 hospitalization of 4 days.
 
 

freeman » 20 Jan 2023, 3:28 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2023, 3:28 pm

Unlike yourself I will reply to all of your post in detail as I have in the past, but wanted you to stop ignoring the question I asked twice regarding the science of evidenced based COVID treatment.
Or are you going to confirm that you are clueless regarding that science or even as to what science is?

Perhaps the grade school math was the problem, so let me offer a couple of even simpler problems.

On March 23rd of 2020 Dr. Zev Zelenko reported curing 500 elderly and high-risk patients with 0 deaths, 0 hospitalizations and 0 intubations.

If from the beginning of the pandemic, if everyone who got COVID had been treated with that level of care, what would the theoretical total of COVID deaths in the U.S. have been instead of 1.1 million?

That would be the same answer as for Dr. Brian Tyson who in mid-2020 reported having cured 1900 patients with 0 deaths and 1 hospitalization of 4 days.

What individual doctors "report" regarding treatment they performed doesn't constitute a scientific finding of any kind on the efficacy of Covid vaccinations. It does constitute a typical political argument on a question of medical science, however, so you are on good Right wing ground.

Take care.

 

jack » 20 Jan 2023, 3:45 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2023, 3:45 pm

What individual doctors "report" regarding treatment they performed doesn't constitute a scientific finding of any kind on the efficacy of Covid vaccinations. It does constitute a typical political argument on a question of medical science, however, so you are on good Right wing ground.

Take care.

You were too blind to see that what it did was demonstrate the abject ignorance, of anyone believing there was a need a vaccine, for a disease that had been proven to be so easily treatable ever since March of 2020!

But it isn't ignorance, but the pure abject evil and greed of those in Pharma, government, MSM and digital media, medical journals and all the rest of the filth, that censored and quashed early treatment news with $20 generic drug/nutraceutical protocols the whole way along.

So you just confirmed (what we both knew anyway) that you are clueless regarding even what science is, through your abject ignorance to it.
Tens of thousands of doctors around the world have enjoyed the same results for, going on 3 years now. Tyson and his colleague Dr. George Fareed have treated over 12,000 now and still with 0 deaths in those that showed up for early treatment on a timely basis.
Overcoming the COVID-19 Darkness: Two Doctors Successfully Treated 7000 (now over 12,000) Patients
That's science!
Or do you believe it was just some weird accident???

"Definition of science
1a : knowledge or a system of knowledge covering general truths or the operation of general laws especially as obtained and tested through scientific method"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/science

"Definition of scientific method: principles and procedures for the systematic pursuit of knowledge involving the recognition and formulation of a problem, the collection of data through observation and experiment, and the formulation and testing of hypotheses"
https://www.merriam-webster.com/diction ... c%20method

Exactly what competent clinicians have done from the beginning of the pandemic, and why all of those doctors succeeded because they pursued the science of evidence-based COVID-19 disease treatment, while sharing information and learning from each other.
THE applied SCIENCE of COVID-19 treatment

While your science-blind beliefs were manifest in the evil of the left's demigod Doctor Death Fauci, who was killing people by telling them to go home and isolate with no early treatment recommendation, until they needed oxygen and then check into the Illness Industry:
Fauci's "go home and isolate" treatment for COVID - a death sentence for some

Then the hospitals murdered the poor souls through the NIH "standard of care":
NIH deadly recommendations compared to those of COVID-competent professionals

Followed by sending the average bill of ~$73,300 per COVID-19 patient on to their grieving survivors, when they all could have gotten better in the comfort of their own homes in days, with a $20 generic drug/nutraceutical protocol.

Put another way.....

 

jack » 20 Jan 2023, 1:27 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2023, 1:27 pm

Your sources are Right wing political organizations, not medical organizations, definitely not science.

So given what you believe,  don't speculate on what I believe - it's not "Big Pharma". It is science. Your beliefs, on the other hand, such as half the nation's children dying in five years, are from a fountain of conspiracies and paranoia.

You're the one guided by blind "beliefs" in your Faucian religious cult.
What I posted was not a "belief" of mine, but speculation by an author about myocarditis, based on The American Heart Association medical journal Circulation article.
"The Myocarditis Treatment Trial reported mortality rates for biopsy-verified myocarditis of 20% and 56% at 1 year and 4.3 years, respectively.6 These outcomes are similar to the Mayo Clinic’s observational data of 5-year survival rates that approximate 50%.4 Survival with giant cell myocarditis is substantially lower, with <20% of patients surviving 5 years70"

The fact that some kids get back up after their collapse, doesn't mean they are all better. ALL myocarditis results in permanent injury to the heart.
 
And all that risk for what????
Johns Hopkins Study Found Zero COVID Deaths Among 48,000 Healthy Kids
And that's no doubt with a near unanimity of them never having received early treatment with a $20 generic drug/nutraceutical protocol.
 

Selaphobia » 20 Jan 2023, 3:50 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2023, 3:50 pm

You hear about the guy that lost both arms and legs from the vaccine?

Did you hear about- I think it was Connecticut..
Kids can get a vax without parents  knowing? I didn't read the entire thread... just catching up. :  
 

Selaphobia » 20 Jan 2023, 4:54 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2023, 4:54 pm

Yeah I heard. The person administering the jab should be charged with child endangerment or child abuse.
This **** has to stop NOW! Kids are dropping dead left and right from heart attacks and bleeding brains.
One kid, all her teeth fell out within 48 hours.

@Buck Naked  How ya feelin ?

I know! and you know kids...
oooo I'll do that..
Mommy wont know.
And gawd knows how they are getting brainwashed in school  too! Or scared into it!

Selaphobia » 20 Jan 2023, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2023, 4:57 pm

@freeman  

Unfortunately @jack  is going to have to learn the hard way. 
Maybe a booster, and then whammy "the big one"

Since she wouldn't likely consider an inventor and patent holder of the mRNA technology platform a credible source, then perhaps it would just be another entry for a posthumous Darwin Award.

".....what we're seeing is the risk profile is a function of the number of vaccine doses, so we're seeing increased risk with one relative to none and increased with two relative to one and with three relative to two."

You can see how she ran away from truth, like the Big Pharma's little bi*ch that she is.

freeman » 20 Jan 2023, 5:25 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2023, 5:25 pm

Since she wouldn't likely consider an inventor and patent holder of the mRNA technology platform a credible source, then perhaps it would just be another entry for a posthumous Darwin Award.

".....what we're seeing is the risk profile is a function of the number of vaccine doses, so we're seeing increased risk with one relative to none and increased with two relative to one and with three relative to two."

You can see how she ran away from truth, like the Big Pharma's little bi*ch that she is.

Sophomoric drivel, employing personal insult to compensate for his string of lousy arguments. Put this guy in a university level seminar and he'd wonder what language was being spoken.

jack » 20 Jan 2023, 6:20 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Jan 2023, 6:20 pm

Sophomoric drivel, employing personal insult to compensate for his string of lousy arguments. Put this guy in a university level seminar and he'd wonder what language was being spoken.

Fauci's/Pfizer's little bi*ch must have missed this reply regarding her abject ignorance as to what science even is, jack:
viewtopic.php?p=2204972#p2204972

 
 

Selaphobia » 18 Jan 2023, 12:53 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Jan 2023, 12:53 pm

Model who had both legs amputated leaves hospital in time for 21st birthday


https://www.fox5ny.com/news/model-who-h ... t-birthday

Bridges, who was vaccinated, was then diagnosed with Covid Myocarditis, Rhabdomyolysis, mild pneumonia, Cyanotic, and had Acidosis, according to her family.

According to your own link, she had "Covid Myocarditis, etc., which means the Covid-19 caused the myocarditis, etc.  Nowhere in the article is it suggested that any of this was caused by the vaccine, so your subject like is just another MAGA/Q-ANON cocksucker lie.

The mRNA Covid-19 vaccines are safe, actually more safe from unwanted side effects than most other vaccines.
 

IkeBana » 22 Jan 2023, 8:24 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2023, 8:24 am

According to your own link, she had "Covid Myocarditis, etc., which means the Covid-19 caused the myocarditis, etc.  Nowhere in the article is it suggested that any of this was caused by the vaccine, so your subject like is just another MAGA/Q-ANON cocksucker lie.

The mRNA Covid-19 vaccines are safe, actually more safe from unwanted side effects than most other vaccines.

Same old BS from you science denying Pfizer's bi*ches. "Gee, it couldn't have been the clot shot!"

"Heather Valdes, Bridge's roommate who started the GoFundMe, told WFLA that the 20-year-old was vaccinated against COVID-19."
https://www.newsweek.com/20-year-old-wo ... on-1673961

Here's the reality that you're too mind-broken to see, that could well be in the process in your own circulatory system:
Embalmers Find Veins & Arteries Filled with long stretchy Rubbery Blood Clots

https://rumble.com/embed/vz67nj/?pub=4

https://rumble.com/embed/vqqmda/?pub=4

 
 

freeman » 22 Jan 2023, 8:14 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2023, 8:14 am

Fauci's/Pfizer's little bi*ch must have missed this reply regarding her abject ignorance as to what science even is, jack:
viewtopic.php?p=2204972#p2204972

If you thought that squeak was a definition of science you’re as useless an asshole about science as you are with pronouns. Find someone else to badger.

jack » 22 Jan 2023, 11:10 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2023, 11:10 am

If you thought that squeak was a definition of science you’re as useless an asshole about science as you are with pronouns. Find someone else to badger.

And ..... her admission.
 
"Hit me with the clot shot
c'mon and hit me with the clot shot
fire away!"

IkeBana » 22 Jan 2023, 8:24 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2023, 8:24 am

According to your own link, she had "Covid Myocarditis, etc., which means the Covid-19 caused the myocarditis, etc.  Nowhere in the article is it suggested that any of this was caused by the vaccine, so your subject like is just another MAGA/Q-ANON cocksucker lie.

The mRNA Covid-19 vaccines are safe, actually more safe from unwanted side effects than most other vaccines.

If you want to be taken seriously you might try avoiding the use of foul language.
 

freeman » 22 Jan 2023, 11:32 am » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2023, 11:32 am

And ..... her admission.
 
"Hit me with the clot shot
c'mon and hit me with the clot shot
fire away!"

If you were able to think you would see the futility in posting one helpful scientific-looking link after another when for every one that helps you there are two or ten or twenty out there that hurt you, the weight of opinion being pro vaccine. Having zero expertise yourself adds some extra dumbness. The juvenile "her" is wishful thinking.
 

jack » 22 Jan 2023, 3:21 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Jan 2023, 3:21 pm

If you were able to think you would see the futility in posting one helpful scientific-looking link after another when for every one that helps you there are two or ten or twenty out there that hurt you, the weight of opinion being pro vaccine. Having zero expertise yourself adds some extra dumbness. The juvenile "her" is wishful thinking.

I try to refer to all of Big Pharma's and Big Government's brainwashed little bi*ches in the female gender. How many of those "ten or twenty" links "hurt" me by refuting the science of early treatment for COVID-19?
THE applied SCIENCE of COVID-19 treatment

Because I don't personally have expertise in science or medicine, I do depend on renowned epidemiologists, virologists, microbiologists, pathologists, immunologists, vaccinologists, academics and particularly, talented, dedicated, front line treating physician/scientists, that have enjoyed 99+% success rates in early treatment of elderly and high-risk individuals ever since March of 2020.
Meet a few of the medical professionals that we rely on for forum information

And where did depending on Big Pharma's little bi*ches like Fauci take the U.S.?



Fauci killed thousands of AIDS sufferers with the same ridiculous demand in 1987

How about compared to dirt poor, unsanitary, overcrowded, largely unvaxxed, 3rd world countries?



However I highly recommend that you rely on Big Pharma's little bi*ches like Doctor Death Fauci and Pfizer's Albert Burola himself and get your kids vaccinated, as it could help clean up our national gene pool!

"100% Of Kids 14-16 With mRNA COVID Vaccine Induced Myocarditis Had Damaged Hearts At 3-6 Month Follow Up
Yet another brand new study of kids aged 14-16 diagnosed with mRNA COVID vaccine associated myocarditis found:

• 77.7% abnormal ECG findings (ST-elevation most common).
• LGE on 88.8% of MRIs.
• 55.5% myocardial edoema (excess fluid).
• 100% LGE present at 3-6 month follow up.

The infection fatality rate of COVID-19 for those aged 0-19 documented by Pezzullo et al was 0.0003% while the risk of myocarditis from mRNA vaccination was found to be 1/2000-1/3000. The benefits do not outweigh the risks. Stop the shots.SOURCE:

1. https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/23744235.2022.2157478?role=tab&scroll=top&needAccess=true&journalCode=infd20
2. https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 22280963v1

Seems your indoctrination is still stuck in Big Pharma's/Government's initial vaxx lies of late 2020. Meanwhile as more injury comes to light, it should be no surprise that all prior efforts at vaccines for SARS viruses in humans failed during the animal testing phase.
What is "vaccine-enhanced disease" or "pathogenic priming"?

You should make an effort to change whatever legacy media it is that broke your mind. Or do you believe that all of the embalmers who had never before seen those long stretchy blood clots are engaged in some sort of a conspiracy to........? You tell me.

Is Lefty TV figures where you learned to defend Pfizer, or does Pfizer/gov pay you to do that?

https://youtu.be/DcHmQKKH2F8