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FJB » 28 Jan 2023, 8:50 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 8:50 am

and you can't prove anything you claim

I can't prove that America is a representative democracy?  Seriously?

maineman » 28 Jan 2023, 8:44 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 8:44 am

You cede a portion of your liberty to the Legislature.  You authorize them to act on your behalf.  That's not socialism, that is representative democracy.  And if you are in the minority on any given issue, be it whether or not to form a fire department or whether or not to create and fund a program called Social Security, or Obamacare, it's all still representative democracy at work. You're on the losing side?  Tough ****.  Just because you lost does not mean that the winners in this majority rule democracy we live in are socialists.

And if you ever kicked my *** once, it would be a first.

Tell me again how Obamacare is socialism but the fire department is not.

moron.

^^^ Doesn't think that the OVERREACHING of government TOWARD SOCIALISM is "socialism".

And in the INFAMOUS WORDS of one of your heroes.....

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maineman » 28 Jan 2023, 9:12 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 9:12 am

I can't prove that America is a representative democracy?  Seriously?

was I talking to you?

Beekeeper » 28 Jan 2023, 9:13 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 9:13 am

^^^ Doesn't think that the OVERREACHING of government TOWARD SOCIALISM is "socialism".


 

Is this a true statement or not:  The United States government derives its power from the consent of the governed?  True of False
Tell me again how a fire department is not socialism but Obamacare is.

FJB » 28 Jan 2023, 9:42 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 9:42 am

was I talking to you?

no...he was, and you chose to say something stupid to him about his comment to me... which certainly gave me the right to question your stupidity.

See how that works, ducky?

maineman » 28 Jan 2023, 9:12 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 9:12 am

I can't prove that America is a representative democracy?  Seriously?

It's NOT a "Representative democracy" DUMBARSE!!

It's a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLICAN CONFEDERATION!! EACH State is a sovereign within itself and those States have the CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY to dissolve the Federal Government AT WILL IF THEY CHOOSE TO.

It must really suck that the short bus you rode on failed you miserably in actual American History and Government.

maineman » 28 Jan 2023, 10:17 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 10:17 am

Is this a true statement or not:  The United States government derives its power from the consent of the governed?  True of False
Tell me again how a fire department is not socialism but Obamacare is.

A fire Department does NOT have any authority over your ability to make a choice in life. It was given the sole authority to save lives from fires. The PEOPLE of a community have given CONSENT for that to be established with ONLY ONE PURPOSE IN MIND!! AND you have an OPTION to call them or not. YOU CHOOSE!!

When GOVERNMENT has control over ONE or more aspects of your life in which you have NO CHOICE to participate or not and have NO other alternatives, you have established a SOCIALIST FORM OF CONTROL. PERIOD!! Government controls the means of production (your healthcare) and also will control the WAGES of those who provide care and also control YOUR choices for treatment. Care to explain how that is NOT SOCIALISM under YOUR very own definition??

Beekeeper » 28 Jan 2023, 10:25 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 10:25 am

It's NOT a "Representative democracy" DUMBARSE!!

It's a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLICAN CONFEDERATION!! EACH State is a sovereign within itself and those States have the CONSTITUTIONAL AUTHORITY to dissolve the Federal Government AT WILL IF THEY CHOOSE TO.

It must really suck that the short bus you rode on failed you miserably in actual American History and Government.

Nice dodge.  The form of governance chosen by that confederation of states is a representative democracy.  We elect congressmen and senators to a central federal congress who writes the laws that govern us ALL  Whether or not you happen to AGREE with any of the laws passed by that representative democracy's legislative body or not, you are still bound to obey them.

Now..tell me again how the fire department is NOT socialism, but Obamacare is.

Beekeeper » 25 Jan 2023, 9:08 am » wrote: ↑

25 Jan 2023, 9:08 am

OH MY!!

So Classified info being LEFT LAYING AROUND so Hunter could PROVE he was "the smartest man I know" and get that $83,000 a month Burisma (Ukraine) job!! WE HAVE THE EVIDENCE!! Now it's TIME TO PUT THESE TRAITORS IN FRONT OF THE FIRING SQUAD!!

And 10% "for the Big Guy" who ran the operation in the first place and it's none other than TRAITOR JOE BIDEN!!

On April 13, 2014, Hunter Biden sent an email to his business partner in Burisma, Devon Archer. Now, he sent this a week before his father, the vice president, flew to Ukraine to meet with Ukraine's prime minister. In the email, Hunter Biden composed a detailed memo with nearly two dozen data points about the political and strategic situation on the ground in Ukraine. What's so immediately striking and Miranda Devine pointed this out, having read the entire laptop, is that this email bears no resemblance to anything else we have that Hunter Biden has ever written. In fact, it sounded like something produced by the State Department.

 There's no question that Hunter Biden used classified materials to assemble this email. Listen carefully: "The strategic values to create a land bridge for RU to Crimea," he writes at one point. Notice he uses the diplomatic abbreviation for Russia, RU, because he's in the know. "That won't directly affect Burisma holdings, but it will limit future UK exploration and utilization of offshore opportunities in particular." "It will also," Hunter Biden added, "further destabilize the UK nationally and for whatever government is in power and the US will respond with even stronger sanctions. Those sanctions will threaten the tenuous support of the EU, which does not have the political will to incur steep energy price increases" and so on.

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oh man 

Beekeeper » 28 Jan 2023, 10:29 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 10:29 am

A fire Department does NOT have any authority over your ability to make a choice in life. It was given the sole authority to save lives from fires. The PEOPLE of a community have given CONSENT for that to be established with ONLY ONE PURPOSE IN MIND!! AND you have an OPTION to call them or not. YOU CHOOSE!!

When GOVERNMENT has control over ONE or more aspects of your life in which you have NO CHOICE to participate or not and have NO other alternatives, you have established a SOCIALIST FORM OF CONTROL. PERIOD!! Government controls the means of production (your healthcare) and also will control the WAGES of those who provide care and also control YOUR choices for treatment. Care to explain how that is NOT SOCIALISM under YOUR very own definition??

A fire department has the authority to put out a fire in your house.  You pay money in the form of taxes and the government uses that money for the benefit of ALL the citizens, but that benefit is only realized when one's house catches fire.  If you live your entire life in a city, and your house never catches fire even once, then all the tax dollars you have paid were money thrown away from your perspective.  Except, in the "village" we live in, taking care of each other's house fires with a mutually funded fire department is the way that the majority of the citizens of that village deemed appropriate.  If you don't LIKE the idea of paying for a fire department, you can move to some unincorporated piece of land that is NOT protected by the fire department.  Similarly, we do not expect every homeowner in a city to be responsible for getting out and shoveling the snow off of the street in front of their individual house.  It works better when a larger organization, funded by the mutual contributions of the villagers, plows the streets for everyone.  Similarly, it would not be cost effective for every home owner to have to purchase his own CAT SCAN machine... so we have hospitals and health care delivery systems for that as well.  If you don't WANT to participate, move.

In answer to your last question, a government cannot be a little bit socialist, just like a woman cannot be a little bit pregnant.  You either are or your aren't.  Socialism is the government controlling the means of production.  Period.  Not a little  of the production.. not just the water pipes, or the sewer system, or the fire department or the roads, or the health care, but everything.  Under a socialist government, there would be no private corporations, there would be no private hospitals, there would be no privately owned farms.  As long as capitalism exists, and free markets exist... and you get to chose between General Mills and Post cereals, or between Ford and Chevy cars, then we are not a socialist state.  Our capitalist, representative democracy, that derives ALL of its power from the the people it governs, has determined that it makes more sense to not have you plow your own streets or perform your own CAT SCANS or put out your own fires.  That's democracy at work.  That's the way AMERICA works.  If you don't like it, don't let the door hit you in the *** on the way out.

maineman » 28 Jan 2023, 10:32 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 10:32 am

Nice dodge.  The form of governance chosen by that confederation of states is a representative democracy.  We elect congressmen and senators to a central federal congress who writes the laws that govern us ALL  Whether or not you happen to AGREE with any of the laws passed by that representative democracy's legislative body or not, you are still bound to obey them.

Now..tell me again how the fire department is NOT socialism, but Obamacare is.

You're an idiot. A STATIST SOCIALIST idiot at that.

I'll go with one of those that happened to BE THERE AND PART OF THE FORMATION of this nations Constitution. NO WHERE did anyone say "Democracy". Not even in the Constitution is that word uttered. REPUBLICAN IS!!

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

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Beekeeper » 28 Jan 2023, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 10:55 am

You're an idiot. A STATIST SOCIALIST idiot at that.

I'll go with one of those that happened to BE THERE AND PART OF THE FORMATION of this nations Constitution. NO WHERE did anyone say "Democracy". Not even in the Constitution is that word uttered. REPUBLICAN IS!!

The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

Our elected representative are democratically chosen.  We are therefore, a democracy (small "d").  We all don't vote on every bill in every local, state, and federal legislative body, therefore we are a representative democracy (again, small "d").  And the people we democratically elect, help to administer the Republic (capital "R") in which we live.

 
Here's a bit of light reading:

https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic

maineman » 28 Jan 2023, 11:01 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 11:01 am

Our elected representative are democratically chosen.  We are therefore, a democracy (small "d").  We all don't vote on every bill in every local, state, and federal legislative body, therefore we are a representative democracy (again, small "d").  And the people we democratically elect, help to administer the Republic (capital "R") in which we live.

Here's a bit of light reading:

https://act.represent.us/sign/democracy-republic

Your LEFT WING agitprop is designed to keep you morons fully manipulated and indoctrinated. PURE PROPAGANDA, doofus!!



Overall, we rate Represent.us Left-Center Biased based on factual left-leaning positions. We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. 

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Beekeeper » 28 Jan 2023, 11:12 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 11:12 am

We also rate them High for factual reporting due to proper sourcing and a clean fact check record. 

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/represent-us/

So do I.

So...we are a representative democracy that has chosen, democratically, to form ourselves into a constitutional republic.

And we ain't socialist..... but if we ever DID decide to become socialist, that would be done by a majority of those citizens voting on the question... and all those who disagreed, would be issued crying towels.  **** babies.
 

maineman » 28 Jan 2023, 10:19 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 10:19 am

no...he was, and you chose to say something stupid to him about his comment to me... which certainly gave me the right to question your stupidity.

See how that works, ducky?

ya you are just a loser in life that sticks his nose in where it doesn't belong.

I am not ducky

FJB » 28 Jan 2023, 11:34 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 11:34 am

ya you are just a loser in life that sticks his nose in where it doesn't belong.

I am not ducky

I would ask you the same question, ducky...you were the guy who stuck his nose into OUR conversation.

you really aren't too bright, are ya?

maineman » 28 Jan 2023, 11:17 am » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 11:17 am

So do I.

So...we are a representative democracy that has chosen, democratically, to form ourselves into a constitutional republic.

And we ain't socialist..... but if we ever DID decide to become socialist, that would be done by a majority of those citizens voting on the question... and all those who disagreed, would be issued crying towels.  **** babies.

Show me where Hamilton and Madison called us a "representative Democracy" in the Federalist Papers. NOT to be found anywhere. They abhorred "democracy" and never thought of this nation in ANY LIGHT that it would ever be called on of any sort. YOU LOSE AGAIN, blunderbluss mouth!!

Run along now before you get your arse turned into ANOTHER BLOODY PULP. EDUCATING you is getting redundant in that you can't be EDUCATED over anything that the PROPAGANDA your handlers have blown up your backside has created!!

And this applies today....

We cannot expect the Americans to jump from capitalism to Communism, but we can assist their elected leaders in giving Americans small doses of socialism, until they suddenly awake to find they have Communism."

 
 

Maineman is to Joe Biden what Squeaky Fromme was to Charles Manson.

An easily manipulated bitch that would kill for the master.

Beekeeper » 28 Jan 2023, 1:13 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 1:13 pm

Show me where Hamilton and Madison called us a "representative Democracy" in the Federalist Papers. NOT to be found anywhere. They abhorred "democracy" and never thought of this nation in ANY LIGHT that it would ever be called on of any sort. YOU LOSE AGAIN, blunderbluss mouth!!

Run along now before you get your arse turned into ANOTHER BLOODY PULP. EDUCATING you is getting redundant in that you can't be EDUCATED over anything that the PROPAGANDA your handlers have blown up your backside has created!!

And this applies today....

I could give a **** what Madison or Hamilton THOUGHT about democracy.  The fact is, small "d" democracy is defined as government by the people; a form of government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised directly by them or by their elected agents under a free electoral system.  And the specific form that the people chose was a Republic.  We elect representatives to the governing body (congress) under a free electoral system.

And let's just call a spade a spade here, Mister Honeypot... all this faux outrage over representative democracy versus republic is just your way of tap dancing away from the *** whipping you got on your ridiculous "healthcare equals socialism" argument.  We are a representative democracy and we, the people have democratically chosen to govern ourselves in a Republic format...that was our choice and we made it in a truly democratic fashion... using a free and fair election system like all functioning democracies use... like, say, Great Britain, which is both a parliamentary democracy and a constitutional monarchy.  You know that is a fact just as well as you know you got your *** kicked about fire departments and police departments and public works departments and health care systems all being a part of a thriving capitalist economy and not a socialist one.  

Now try and punch above your weight here for a moment;  at least ACT like you have half a brain and just let this one slip down below the fold.  I'll keep spanking you dumb *** for as long as you want, but it would seem to me that CAN'T be very pleasant. 

Oh and your silly quote was fake news back when it was mistakenly attributed to Kruschev just like it is today.
 
 

RebelGator » 28 Jan 2023, 1:55 pm » wrote: ↑

28 Jan 2023, 1:55 pm

Maineman is to Joe Biden what Squeaky Fromme was to Charles Manson.

An easily manipulated bitch that would kill for the master.

Cletis...Cletis... day drinking already?  Well... it IS Saturday and you don't have a shift on the McDonald's fry line until tomorrow morning when you'll be whippin' up them hash browns!

I'm no huge fan of Joe Biden and never have been.  But 2020 was EASY... I'd have voted for DOG  before I voted for a CLOWN!