U.S. Is Sending M1-Abram Tanks To Ukraine.

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By Taipan
25 Jan 2023 11:41 am in No Holds Barred Political Forum
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Taipan » 25 Jan 2023, 4:59 pm » wrote: Damn.
That was good.

German Leopard Tank.
OK.
Nice.

Can I have a date with German lady?
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Bob » 26 Jan 2023, 8:02 am » wrote:   The only thing that would feel right is turning off the TV news programing, chucking the microwave walkie talkie cell phone in the trash and moving into a well stocked fallout shelter.
What would feel right is relocating to the EU where the people are content, if not actually happy and don't piss and moan all day long, sniveling about their taxes.

What locations qualify?  Anywhere in Scandinavia, The Netherlands, Belgium and the northern half of France.  Even Iceland which isn't an EU country, but where the residents may be the most content on the face of the earth.  And if you don't mind perpetual winter, it's beautiful.
 
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Skans » 26 Jan 2023, 8:49 am » wrote: That's a lot of technology to dump into the laps of the Russians.  I mean, if we don't have American tank operators, are we not simply handing over at least some of these tanks to the Russians?  I would hope that all of them, at a minimum, have been equipped with self-destruct capability via satellite.
The United States announced on Wednesday it will supply Ukraine with 31 advanced M1 Abrams tanks worth $400 million in a matter of months, a decision that helped break a diplomatic logjam with Germany over how best to help Kyiv in its war against Russia....

The total cost of a single Abrams tanks can vary, and can be over $10 million per tanks when including training and sustainment....

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/revers ... 023-01-25/

 I'm sure Vlad would love to get his hands on one...the question remains, are we "loaning them or giving them to Ukraine? Are we operating or training? You know what always happens when you borrow something, it always has a scratch in the paint, or worse yet, a dent...*GASPS*
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Selaphobia » 26 Jan 2023, 8:55 am » wrote: what is stopping you from moving?
The EU doesn't accept singlewides...but he can always pick up a caravan in the UK...
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26 Jan 2023 8:11 am
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ROG62 » 26 Jan 2023, 9:03 am » wrote: The United States announced on Wednesday it will supply Ukraine with 31 advanced M1 Abrams tanks worth $400 million in a matter of months, a decision that helped break a diplomatic logjam with Germany over how best to help Kyiv in its war against Russia....

The total cost of a single Abrams tanks can vary, and can be over $10 million per tanks when including training and sustainment....

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/revers ... 023-01-25/

 I'm sure Vlad would love to get his hands on one...the question remains, are we "loaning them or giving them to Ukraine? Are we operating or training? You know what always happens when you borrow something, it always has a scratch in the paint, or worse yet, a dent...*GASPS*
Russia does not have the capability to do much reverse-engineering on the M1 Abrams.  The Russians already have a deal in place with Xi Jinping to sell China any captured US equipment.
 
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Beekeeper » 26 Jan 2023, 7:54 am » wrote: Actually it's not. 30 days and they will be fully operational. You have to consider that ALL of the older M1-A1 Abrams are being completely refitted with new armament, newer armor, and also newer aiming hardware and software, that there are HUNDREDS of them ready to roll right now.

There is a rebuild shop in Florida where they do all these retrofits into the M1-A2 unit and I know that RR flat cars full of them are moved monthly to Ft Benning Georgia for training AND relocation to wherever needed.
Yesterday's morning news reported it would be over a year...I almost spit up my morning brew as I was wondering if they were shipping them by oar boat...
 
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26 Jan 2023 8:14 am
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Skans » 26 Jan 2023, 9:11 am » wrote: Russia does not have the capability to do much reverse-engineering on the M1 Abrams.  The Russians already have a deal in place with Xi Jinping to sell China any captured US equipment.
and both would benefit...
 
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26 Jan 2023 8:16 am
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ROG62 » 26 Jan 2023, 9:14 am » wrote: what's gonna stop Vlad from giving it to the Chinese as both would benefit?
Nothing.  As I said, Russia already has an agreement in place with Xi Jinping to deliver any captured US military equipment to them.  It is part of the agreement whereby Russians were permitted to hide financial assets, in contemplation of sanctions, by washing them through China's banking system before deploying that wealth globally.
 
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Skans » 26 Jan 2023, 9:16 am » wrote: Nothing.  As I said, Russia already has an agreement in place with Xi Jinping to deliver any captured US military equipment to them.  It is part of the agreement whereby Russians were permitted to hide financial assets, in contemplation of sanctions, by washing them through China's banking system before deploying that wealth globally.
I revised my post as I finished reading yours after the fact...shootin from the hip...it's tough to run off with BOTH feet in mouth...
 
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Warcok » 25 Jan 2023, 6:19 pm » wrote: Typical dim. Literally backing the Nazis while accusing the other side of backing Nazis.    


 
MAGA/Q-ANON PROPAGANDA.   :die:  
 
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Selaphobia » 26 Jan 2023, 8:55 am » wrote: what is stopping you from moving?
The couple of hundred grand it would likely cost us.  We can afford it...when and if it gets bad enough in this ****, and we're close but not quite there yet...we will do it.
 
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IkeBana » 26 Jan 2023, 8:53 am » wrote: What would feel right is relocating to the EU where the people are content, if not actually happy and don't piss and moan all day long, sniveling about their taxes.

What locations qualify?  Anywhere in Scandinavia, The Netherlands, Belgium and the northern half of France.  Even Iceland which isn't an EU country, but where the residents may be the most content on the face of the earth.  And if you don't mind perpetual winter, it's beautiful.
Notice how the dim picks the whitest place on the planet to relocate to?  :die:  
 
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IkeBana » 26 Jan 2023, 8:53 am » wrote: What would feel right is relocating to the EU where the people are content, if not actually happy and don't piss and moan all day long, sniveling about their taxes.

What locations qualify?  Anywhere in Scandinavia, The Netherlands, Belgium and the northern half of France.  Even Iceland which isn't an EU country, but where the residents may be the most content on the face of the earth.  And if you don't mind perpetual winter, it's beautiful.
With every post you provide us with a clear understanding regarding your complete ignorance of the Europe of Today......
whose citizens are not content and are perpetually protesting their own Governments in the streets because they have had enough of European progressivism , Environmental Authoritarianism , and leftwing America and  NATO's disregard for their citizenry whom are being forced into destitution by keeping the Ukraine war perpetually going.
And if you move ....maybe you will actually appreciate what you have left behind ....even though Schmuck's like you are the biggest reason America is turning into a ****.
so have at her....
move.
 
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nuckinfutz » 25 Jan 2023, 2:24 pm » wrote: Hombre Tia Dog- I hear you are a real tough guy!
I got $ 10000 that says you can whip the...... whole world!
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Majik » 26 Jan 2023, 1:10 pm » wrote: With every post you provide us with a clear understanding regarding your complete ignorance of the Europe of Today......
whose citizens are not content and are perpetually protesting their own Governments in the streets because they have had enough of European progressivism , Environmental Authoritarianism , and leftwing America and  NATO's disregard for their citizenry whom are being forced into destitution by keeping the Ukraine war perpetually going.
And if you move ....maybe you will actually appreciate what you have left behind ....even though Schmuck's like you are the biggest reason America is turning into a ****.
so have at her....
move.

Sir,
That war was completely unnecessary.
200,000 dead.
Can we agree on that ?

Russia invaded............invaded a neighbor state.
What if Texas invaded Mexico?

That is called............murder.
Do you think I would let someone attack you?
Absolutely not !!

Hell, maybe I need a 2yr. Associate Degree in Criminal Justice,
from a Community College.                   
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At this point I think it's fair to say that America and NATO are at war openly with Russia .....
The only thing we are not providing Zelensky is the manpower.....as of yet.
and this latest escalation could now change Russia's focus to taking all of the Ukraine or at the very least flattening all of it and all of it's infrastructure making the country unsustainable and a complete write off.
secondly ....
It gives Russia political currency with many of the other Nuclear superpowers whom haven't cut ties to Russia like China ,India, Pakistan etc.....
That if Russia feels threatened enough it may be forced to use small tactical nukes on various NATO countries in response to these escalations.
and let's be honest here .....
even with all of the **** bravado coming from Biden, Trudeau and NATO ....If Russia decided to use small tactical Nukes on European targets there would not be an immediate nuclear response by America or NATO because of those other Nuclear superpowers I previously mentioned because if there were it would put America and Europe in the cross hairs of Russia's nuclear allies.
and in my opinion The US military at this time is weak and not capable of fighting a world war and neither is NATO they are both playing a dangerous game of "call my bluff " right now which may just backfire via their escalations.
and I don't believe that The U.S. and NATO would embrace mutually assured destruction over the Ukraine ....which is just a proxy of their own making and would sacrifice it in a nanosecond if confronted with this kind of scenario.
just saying....

 
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Taipan » 26 Jan 2023, 1:51 pm » wrote:
Russia invaded............invaded a neighbor state.
What if Texas invaded Mexico?



 
China and Russia have set the precedent for that.  I am a strong advocate for the invasion of Mexico to confiscate land and establish of a "no-go" zone 40 miles deep along our border.
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Taipan » 26 Jan 2023, 1:29 pm » wrote: The Texans are in the 'fight-bidness'.
We like this game.
We find it.......'thrilling'.
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Skans » 26 Jan 2023, 1:57 pm » wrote: China and Russia have set the precedent for that.  I am a strong advocate for the invasion of Mexico to confiscate land and establish of a "no-go" zone 40 miles deep along our border.

"No-go" zone......40mi. ??
Damn.
That is good thinking.
I like that.
OK.
I can work with that.

Invasion of Mexico??
What the hell are you smoking ?? 
They are nice, brown Christians.
They are not your enemy.                                 
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Majik » 26 Jan 2023, 1:55 pm » wrote: At this point I think it's fair to say that America and NATO are at war openly with Russia .....
The only thing we are not providing Zelensky is the manpower.....as of yet.
and this latest escalation could now change Russia's focus to taking all of the Ukraine or at the very least flattening all of it and all of it's infrastructure making the country unsustainable and a complete write off.
secondly ....
It gives Russia political currency with many of the other Nuclear superpowers whom haven't cut ties to Russia like China ,India, Pakistan etc.....
That if Russia feels threatened enough it may be forced to use small tactical nukes on various NATO countries in response to these escalations.
and let's be honest here .....
even with all of the **** bravado coming from Biden, Trudeau and NATO ....If Russia decided to use small tactical Nukes on European targets there would not be an immediate nuclear response by America or NATO because of those other Nuclear superpowers I previously mentioned because if there were it would put America and Europe in the cross hairs of Russia's nuclear allies.
and in my opinion The US military at this time is weak and not capable of fighting a world war and neither is NATO they are both playing a dangerous game of "call my bluff " right now which may just backfire via their escalations.
and I don't believe that The U.S. and NATO would embrace mutually assured destruction over the Ukraine ....which is just a proxy of their own making and would sacrifice it in a nanosecond if confronted with this kind of scenario.
just saying....
Just like China arming North Viet Nam or North Korea..."nothing to see here folks!"
 
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