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RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:27 am » wrote: Translated into honest English: you'll tell blatant lies, smear in dishonest manner, distort, exaggerate and show the truly ugly character you have.

Character that is typical of the Left.

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this **** piece of **** is talking about character…...

clemmy is the slimy scumbag that wishes people are raped by a pack of dogs….
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he thinks he is qualified to talk about character
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RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:25 am » wrote: WTF? When have I ever claimed the little violence the Singapore government "ought not to be there?" What, an application of Free Market policy is supposed to magically and instantly cure any flaw a country has?

Clem 3:16 - For Capitalism so loves and serves the world, that any who pray in its name and believe in its precepts, shall not suffer brutality but shall walk the sunny halls of democracy, for ever and ever.

You deny these are your precepts?

Good - progress. Deny your God, and join us heathens, Clem.

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:25 am » wrote:That's why Heritage has an index, i.e. a ranking.

Yes - and the second most pure capitalism just HAPPENS to exist in a brutal authoritarian **** hole. Coincidence? Hmm... What was the other modern miracle of free market redemption you threw out there? PINOCHET'S CHILE? You're not seeing a pattern here, Clemmie?

If capitalism is so **** great, Clem, THEN WHY DOES IT REQUIRE MURDER, POLITICAL ASSASSINATIONS, POLICE STATE BRUTALITY AND CIA OPERATIVES TO IMPLEMENT?

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:25 am » wrote:Singapore is less Socialist than likely every other country on the planet except one.

And among the most brutal yes. Very capitalist, very repressive, very authoritarian. Why do you keep covering this ground? I have agreed a thousand times, but you need a thousand and one.

CHAFF.

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:25 am » wrote: By ignoring all the free parts of its economy and emphasizing only its Socialistic parts;.

You have already fled a challenge to name those wonderful parts, Clemtard. You've got nothing. You've got low taxes and low regulations. And that is SUPPOSED - according to you - to lead to human rights, democracy, and a naturally occurring, reasonably just distribution of the wealth across a broad swath of society - yes?

But it never works like that. You can present no cases of your dogma proving true. and I can present Singapore - your OWN gold standard - as proof against it.

Cannonpointer » 26 Jul 2014 11:37 am » wrote: Yes - and the second most pure capitalism just HAPPENS to exist in a brutal authoritarian **** hole. Coincidence? Hmm... What was the other modern miracle of free market redemption you threw out there? PINOCHET'S CHILE? You're not seeing a pattern here, Clemmie?

If capitalism is so **** great, Clem, THEN WHY DOES IT REQUIRE MURDER, POLITICAL ASSASSINATIONS, POLICE STATE BRUTALITY AND CIA OPERATIVES TO IMPLEMENT?

Here's a hint. That happened years BEFORE free market policies began. And whatever is actually true that happened occurred in an attempt to prevent a Communist takeover, not to apply economic policies.

When you get on meds, perhaps then you'll have a freaking clue.

Until then, you can't comprehend clear English, basic facts, accepted history or much of anything.

Say, where are all those "slaves" you claim live in Singapore? Are you ever going to document their existence?

What, your well sourced response is lost in cyberspace again? That's believable.

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:27 am » wrote:
Translated into honest English: you'll tell blatant lies, smear in dishonest manner, distort, exaggerate and show the truly ugly character you have.

Character that is typical of the Left.

If I do all of those things, but am NOT the fellow defending murderer Pinochet, I will therefor be the better man in this conversation, kid. You presume to question the character of a fellow for "slandering" a man wanted internationally for crimes against humanity, in relation to simply DISAPPEARING thousands of his nation's citizens?

Are you aware, you insane provocateur, that Pinochet is responsible for the word "disappeared" coming to be used as a short cut for longer phrases - as in, "He was disappeared," instead of "He was taken out and shot, then buried in an unmarked grave?" That usage of "disappeared\" came into vogue because of Pinochet, you advocate of despots wherever they are found.

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:29 am » wrote:
For the same reason any country requires time for improvement, duuuh.

That's so freaking obvious, you might even get it.

But I doubt it. You prefer lies and bulls***.

I see. Your former enthusiiasm seems lacking, Clem. What was once a miracle cure is now begging time.

Hopw long shall we give this glorious form of economic freedom, before we lose our faith, Clem? How many decades?

Cannonpointer » 26 Jul 2014 11:37 am » wrote:You've got nothing. You've got low taxes and low regulations.

"Nothing?" How utterly stupid.

Properly applied, that leads to prosperity and political freedom, as anyone with eyes can see happening around the world.



That's why formerly Socialist models of the liberal-left like Sweden, Canada, Norway, etc have turned around to follow it.

Why Asia is following it.

Why all of Eastern Europe followed it.

As explicitly stated by their elected representatives, like Vaclav Havel.


Was he strongly endorsing "nothing," psycho?

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:31 am » wrote:
Wow, that's quite a psychotic episode you're having. Do you really think the average Singapore citizen would agree with you, hmmmm?

Rotsa ruck selling your leftist swill.

You vacillating little hedger, you.

You disavow the brutality on one post and deny it in the next.

You're all over the board, Pinochet-apologist.

Cannonpointer » 26 Jul 2014 11:47 am » wrote: If I do all of those things, but am NOT the fellow defending murderer Pinochet.

Where have I defended any murders committed under Pinochet?

Quote me, troll.

I'm factually describing what he did and praising what he did right.

I'm absolutely sure you'll manage to twist that and dishonestly smear me.

Revealing your deeply ugly character to everyone following the thread.

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:48 am » wrote: "Nothing?" How utterly stupid.

Properly applied, that leads to prosperity and political freedom, as anyone with eyes can see happening around the world.

Maybe they're applying it improperly - moron. Maybe that's why what YOU call the "free-est" nation's citizens are AMONG THE LEAST FREE, you clown.

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:48 am » wrote: That's why formerly Socialist models of the liberal-left like Sweden, Canada, Norway, etc have turned around to follow it.

This claptrap has been debunked, and you fled. Thanks for confirming your dishonesty.

Again, tard: If capitalism is so great, why does it always have to be installed at gunpoint? Why does it take a coup by the CIA, or an assault by the U.S. military, or a brutal dictatorship, for Capitalism to gain purchase on a land?

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:51 am » wrote: Where have I defended any murders committed under Pinochet?

Quote me, troll.

Where did I say you defended murderer Pinochet's murders?

Quote me, troll.

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:51 am » wrote: I'm factually describing what he did and praising what he did right.

I'm factually describing what he did and calling him a murderer.

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:51 am » wrote: I'm absolutely sure you'll manage to twist that and dishonestly smear me.

You pretend that Allende, who was murdered, "stepped down," to "allow" Chile to become "free Market." Then you stroll past the most shameful blood bath in Chile's history to laud the man who authored it.

And your concern is that your words might be twisted?

YOU'RE twisted, morbid freak show. That's just creepy, ya perv.

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 11:51 am » wrote:Revealing your deeply ugly character to everyone following the thread.

Yes, an ugly character has certainly been revealed, you psychotic little necromancer.

Cannonpointer » 26 Jul 2014 11:54 am » wrote: This claptrap has been debunked, and you fled. Thanks for confirming your dishonesty.

No, I admitted I was wrong about the degree to which Canada cut government spending, but the trend is absolutely true.

And I've backed up my claims about Sweden many, many times including quoting its elected prime minister who began it.

Thanks for confirming your utter inability to be honest.

You've cited just about zero for your psychotic claims.

Cannonpointer » 26 Jul 2014 12:00 pm » wrote: Where did I say you defended murderer Pinochet's murders?

Quote me, troll.

Then it was just a deceitful rhetorical smear to claim I was defending "the murderer Pinochet."

If you want to play rhetorical bulls*** games, he didn't actually murder anyone, so that makes you a liar about him and a smear artist toward me.

As usual.

You pretend that Allende, who was murdered, "stepped down," to "allow" Chile to become "free Market."

No, I mistakenly wrote "Allende" instead of "Pinochet." I've noted many, many times before that Allende committed suicide, as I corrected in this thread.

Typical that you'd react with an ugly psychotic episode.

Then you stroll past the most shameful blood bath in Chile's history to laud the man who authored it.

YOU'RE twisted, morbid freak show. That's just creepy, ya perv.

"Stroll past?" How is admitting that he committed crimes while preventing a Communist takeover "strolling past?"

Now do your ugly troll dance, psycho.

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 12:01 pm » wrote:
No, I admitted I was wrong about the degree to which Canada cut government spending, but the trend is absolutely true.

And I've backed up my claims about Sweden many, many times including quoting its elected prime minister who began it.

Thanks for confirming your utter inability to be honest.

You've cited just about zero for your psychotic claims.

Well, kid. I think my work here is about done. You're going to go back to throwing chaff, making false claims about "socialist" countries that are "becoming" slightly less "socialist" (i.e., not spending at their top historical rate, during an economic downturn) - as if there has never been an ebb and flow in the spending of any other organizations, including capitalist corporations, monarchies, charities, orchestras and bird watching clubs. You'll seize on some minutia, insist it's a trend, impute motives to the trend which serve your partisan narrative, and continue to make sweeping statements based on virtually zero evidence until we're arguing about the viability of Volvo in a pre-Clinton America, if not for the intervention of Ikea - or some such twaddle.

When confronted with the brutality of Singapore's government, and challenged to explain why "economic freedom" for the elites leads to economic oppression of everyone else, you reached into your bag of answers and selected, "Hey - what about Pinochet - now THAT guy knew how to institute a free market, huh?"

In other words, I think you answered my question, Clem. Thanks.

It's been kind of creepy.

RichClem » 26 Jul 2014 12:09 pm » wrote: I've noted many, many times before that Allende committed suicide,

Yep.

Creepy.

Cannonpointer » 26 Jul 2014 12:12 pm » wrote:When confronted with the brutality of Singapore's government, and challenged to explain why "economic freedom" for the elites leads to economic oppression of everyone else....

I honestly can't tell if you're lying or having a psychotic episode.

Singapore is one of the most prosperous countries on the planet, but you bleat stupidly about "economic oppression."

If that's not proof of deep psychosis, what is?

Cannonpointer » 26 Jul 2014 12:12 pm » wrote:"economic freedom" for the elites leads to economic oppression of everyone else....

Once again lying that only the elites have economic freedom. All its citizens have economic freedom relative to the rest of the world.

And I'm absolutely sure you'll prove that everyone else in Singapore, one of the most prosperous countries on Earth, are "economically oppressed."

Just like how you documented all those "slaves" in Singapore.

Documentation that magically disappeared into cyberspace.

Cannonpointer » 26 Jul 2014 10:43 am » wrote: Don't be lazy. Ask the natural question: Is the converse equally true? Can capitalism survive without a welfare state - and if so, why has it never tried?

And don't be too quick to overlook that your utterance employs not one but TWO terms on which no consensus has been reached - OR CAN BE, THANKS TO CLEM'S FLIP-FLOPPNG - as to definitions.

Can capitalism survive without socialism? How shall I put this....does a bear **** in the woods?
Capitalism is a perfect fit for the nature of man...individual rights and laissez-faire not withstanding....

rayj » 26 Jul 2014 1:11 pm » wrote: Can capitalism survive without socialism? How shall I put this....does a bear **** in the woods?
Capitalism is a perfect fit for the nature of man...individual rights and laissez-faire not withstanding....

oh great…. some illiterate terrorist thinks he is qualified to teach us about the "nature of man".
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go murder some humans you **** animal

Cannonpointer » 26 Jul 2014 9:21 am » wrote: Declining Heritage as a source - in a thread chiding you panty boys for listening to them - is moving the goal posts?

You have to be on penis, kid.

YOU'RE the one who keeps babbling about EVERYTHING BUT the free market principles they have in place.

Str8tEdge » 26 Jul 2014 2:52 pm » wrote: YOU'RE the one who keeps babbling about EVERYTHING BUT the free market principles they have in place.

He's trying to put the goal posts on a different field across town.