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Monderegal » 04 Feb 2023, 9:21 am » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 9:21 am

I'm on the cusp of Generation X and Millennials. And I'm writing comments, I'm not a grad school student.

Okay, so you are old enough to remeber the Daily Sho with Jon Stewart. 

Were you a regular watcher?

Cannonpointer » 04 Feb 2023, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 1:23 pm

I never suggested you had to be in scholarly pursuit of information. Excuse the **** out of me for not wanting to make references from 80s pop culture that you wouldn't get.

Hope your day is going well CP

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REWeBzGuzCc

PastorBlast » 04 Feb 2023, 1:22 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 1:22 pm

If you choose not to decide you still have made a choice.

I'VE DECIDED.  
 

righteous » 04 Feb 2023, 1:49 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 1:49 pm

I'VE DECIDED.

Yeah I take the MSM with a grain of salt to
 

Selaphobia » 04 Feb 2023, 4:09 am » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 4:09 am

you lost me at fake wrestling. This is real.

It is  true that  pro wrestlers can and occasionally do get bruised and
injured.However, they  are experts in performing actions that are much less harmful than they appear to be,and matches are often choreographed and planned in advance so that it is decided before the match begins who will win.It is rather like stage magic.

Monderegal » 04 Feb 2023, 9:28 am » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 9:28 am

I've heard that argument before. The truth is the media has really no limits on how they choose to cover the news. You can be as conservative or liberal as you want in your news coverage. Hell, even the founding fathers saturated the colonies with anti-British literature and pamphlets. There are limits on libel and imposed rules such as the early days of television where most Americans got their news from a handful of channels. However, the notion that media needs to be unbias goes back to Hearst newspapers where the press baron created newspapers that were free from bias in news coverage as a selling point. There is no real point in saying that Fox News can't report a conservative viewpoint or CNN, MSNBC reporting a liberal viewpoint.

Perhaps I should clarify.

The "media" I'm referring to is the reporting of actual news and not the op-ed/entertainment that make up 95% of the media these days.

Reporting the news should be as void of opinion and slant as possible, and more of presenting the facts as known at the time.

We don't have that anymore.

The nightly "news" is more op-ed than anything these days, and people are souring on being told what to think by supposed "respected and trusted" reporters anymore. Especially when their opinions turn out be garbage. 

It's not news anymore. It's commentary.
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Monderegal » 04 Feb 2023, 9:19 am » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 9:19 am

So what I'm getting is that you don't trust the media because they display a partisan viewpoint. Would you admit that the Conservative media tends to counter the MSM to distort any viewpoint that does not help their candidate? I'm specifically talking about Donald Trump here. Doesn't seem that we are saturated in information warfare hence the low degree of trust in the media? Did Donald Trump fuel that viewpoint?

               Regarding Trump, I stated it was far more than a "partisan viewpoint, though partisanship on its own is sufficient to discredit the MSM... The Mainstream media were actively complicit in trying to delegitimize Trumps 2016 election win & presidency as co-conspirators in the Russian collusion hoax.. They essentially made themselves Joe Biden's running-mate in 2020, and clearly helped determine the election results with their suppression of major scandals, corruption, and anything that would have negatively impacted Biden's campaign ...

              Now, Trump did himself no favors allowing himself to be baited into his daily spar sessions with the Media --- and made himself a victim of his own big mouth --- but the MSM were fueled and ready to roll the day he announced he was running in 2016. 
 

Monderegal » 04 Feb 2023, 9:19 am » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 9:19 am

So what I'm getting is that you don't trust the media because they display a partisan viewpoint. Would you admit that the Conservative media tends to counter the MSM to distort any viewpoint that does not help their candidate? I'm specifically talking about Donald Trump here. Doesn't seem that we are saturated in information warfare hence the low degree of trust in the media? Did Donald Trump fuel that viewpoint?

it is NOT about bias. It is that they actually lie. Sometimes the FBI tells them to lie, sometimes they just choose to lie on their own.

here is my go to as an example of a very egregious lie: https://www.iheart.com/content/2016-08- ... -violence/

it is really difficult to get this video anymore and what was 'edited' out. It used to be on youtube, of course...but it was scrubbed.

typical. People with power are indeed trying to curate what information reaches the people.

Xavier_Onassis » 04 Feb 2023, 2:18 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 2:18 pm

It is  true that  pro wrestlers can and occasionally do get bruised and
injured.However, they  are experts in performing actions that are much less harmful than they appear to be,and matches are often choreographed and planned in advance so that it is decided before the match begins who will win.It is rather like stage magic.

Someone get this weakling another tin foil hat. ^

Wrestling is the one thing that is incorruptible, due to the integrity of the wrestlers themselves. No one named Jake the Snake is going to sully such a cool name by engaging in anything not on the up and up. 

Do you have any evidence that wrestling is fixed?
 

Kobia2 » 04 Feb 2023, 10:52 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 10:52 pm

           

              Now, Trump did himself no favors allowing himself to be baited into his daily spar sessions with the Media --- and made himself a victim of his own big mouth --- but the MSM were fueled and ready to roll the day he announced he was running in 2016. 

Which means he could fight back, or be a whipping boy. 

You're suggesting the latter would have been preferable?
 

Monderegal » 03 Feb 2023, 4:34 pm » wrote: ↑

03 Feb 2023, 4:34 pm

I'm guessing the mood of the board is obviously anti-MSM. That's not what I'm asking. What I'm asking is why? Is there some evil motive that some are seeing? What is the "enemy of the people" news organizations get flak for in reporting the news? Examples would be helpful.

They have a clear agenda to racially divide america and balkanize our nation. They pit race against race deliberately. 

They played up the michael brown story and the george floyd story to cause a **** storm. When their **** storm led to violence against a 17 year old and he defended himself, they lied that he was an alt right nazi. They similarly lied against George Zimmerman, publishing photos of the 6 foot tall, sport-fighting burglar he killed as a 12 year old prepubescent to trick america into believing he had gunned a helpless child. They misraced him as white, when he is hispanic and has always identified as such. 

They bullied jurors to convict rittenhouse and zimmerman in spite of the overwhelming evidence that they had both acted in self defense. 

When a black person is mistreated or killed by police, they cover it wall to wall. When it happens to a white person, the squelch it.

Imagine if CONSERVATIVES had declared independence, stealing a piece of seattle and naming it chazz. The media would have called it treason and the fbi would have gunned people in the streets, to a hero's welcome. 

Imagin if this guy, whose nut sac was deliberatley tazed in front of his wife and kid, had been black, how the media would have run this until our eyes bled:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tImY5Nj2kek&t=8s

Imagine if this grandmother with dementia, whose arm police snapped and then laughed about the noise it made, had been black:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xI1FNyuuXw

It would have been played 24/7 until race riots were in full swing. 

If you cannot see why we distrust media, in the face of this evidence, you are either stupid or dishonest. 
 

Nostradamus'omh » 04 Feb 2023, 8:10 am » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 8:10 am

Don't you get it yet, I am explaining how everything became absolutely corrupted everywhere. I pointed out the actual cause and all it takes is 8 billion ancestors to stop denying now is eternity and their one time event adapting to the moment never exceeds mutually evolving foward here now. 

Yes, I get that... I only pointed out that the now isn't eternity hoax isn't the fault of the media, they didn't invent it.. so it's not a reason for people not to trust the media...

civil or civic. Be honest about the whole or poke holes of doubt in everyting naturally here. History measured what happens with poking holes with current events "unfolding" forward now..

The only one being honest about the whole would be you... hmm, maybe you start a media company, get the truth out that way... but people probably wouldn't trust your media  when it tells them they are corrupt and in denial...

 


 
 

Jantje_Smit » 05 Feb 2023, 8:50 am » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 8:50 am

Yes, I get that... I only pointed out that the now isn't eternity hoax isn't the fault of the media, they didn't invent it.. so it's not a reason for people not to trust the media...

The only one being honest about the whole would be you... hmm, maybe you start a media company, get the truth out that way... but people probably wouldn't trust your media  when it tells them they are corrupt and in denial...

:blink:  

You don't know how to behave without becoming part of clown world.

Selaphobia » 04 Feb 2023, 2:28 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 2:28 pm

Your areas of expertise are Yard Sales and Communism. Nothing else.
This is a curb stomp. 

Pro wrestlers know which movements impress the audience, and they give them names, like Curb stomp. Just as ballerinas do, gran jette,
You prove my point.

I am a democratic socialist, you are a dunce.
Go back to the K Mart and flash your silly light.
It's the only way you will ever merit the title "special".

Nostradamus'omh » 05 Feb 2023, 9:38 am » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 9:38 am

You don't know how to behave without becoming part of clown world.

Sure I do, I live in clown world and I can act like a clown but I'm not part of it... as I told you before, the difference is that I'm aware of it..

 
 

Jantje_Smit » 05 Feb 2023, 10:00 am » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 10:00 am

Sure I do, I live in clown world and I can act like a clown but I'm not part of it... as I told you before, the difference is that I'm aware of it..

:faint:  
 

you keep saying that, and all you do is enable glown world to thrive because you blieve you are on the winning side. Winning at corrupting others keeps yourself as corrupted as those following you. which ones are the dishonest bastards when all behave the same way?

when everyone unites at keeping it going, no one is left to correct it until extinction removes opportunity to fix humanity for generations added not denying real time.

Whole lot less mayhem, madness, misery, calamity, confusion, chaos self induced by the species itself. No supernatural entities ever involved.

You tried to debunk the truth right off the get-go with your anti-MSM ****. The MSM pushes leftist agendas and censors the rest, period. Get smart. Right wing media doesn't censor. So, **** off.

RedheadedStranger » 04 Feb 2023, 2:49 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 2:49 pm

Perhaps I should clarify.

The "media" I'm referring to is the reporting of actual news and not the op-ed/entertainment that make up 95% of the media these days.

Reporting the news should be as void of opinion and slant as possible, and more of presenting the facts as known at the time.

We don't have that anymore.

The nightly "news" is more op-ed than anything these days, and people are souring on being told what to think by supposed "respected and trusted" reporters anymore. Especially when their opinions turn out be garbage. 

It's not news anymore. It's commentary.
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I assume you can really tailor your taste to devour news that fits your political agenda. I really have no problem with people who are conservative follow conservative viewpoints. They are just that however. They are viewpoints. I personally get most of my news from magazines that are pretty coastal but I find them a lot more inquisitive then some of the right wing sources out there. I guess the real problem is that some sources say they aren't bias when they actually are since eliminating bias is an incredibly difficult thing to do.
Television was extremely careful in two instances that swigged elections. First was the very subtle tip towards Reagan in 1980. That was a game of inches for the big networks that controlled information. The second of course was the Clinton email scandal that probably tipped the election for Donald Trump in 2016. Hillary was a much weaker candidate than expected but many still blame her loss on Comey.

Monderegal » 05 Feb 2023, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 11:03 am

I assume you can really tailor your taste to devour news that fits your political agenda. I really have no problem with people who are conservative follow conservative viewpoints. They are just that however. They are viewpoints. I personally get most of my news from magazines that are pretty coastal but I find them a lot more inquisitive then some of the right wing sources out there. I guess the real problem is that some sources say they aren't bias when they actually are since eliminating bias is an incredibly difficult thing to do.
Television was extremely careful in two instances that swigged elections. First was the very subtle tip towards Reagan in 1980. That was a game of inches for the big networks that controlled information. The second of course was the Clinton email scandal that probably tipped the election for Donald Trump in 2016. Hillary was a much weaker candidate than expected but many still blame her loss on Comey.

I devour news which is as close to being obviously true as possible...almost tangible. See it, know it...my politics or not. You favor leftism, and it's very evident even through your attempt to astonish us with lame prose.

Cannonpointer » 04 Feb 2023, 1:29 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 1:29 pm

Okay, so you are old enough to remeber the Daily Sho with Jon Stewart. 

Were you a regular watcher?

I don't really remember. I've seen the show but I was more of a kid then. I did kind of fall onto the MSNBC bandwagon for a while because I hated Fox News with a passion. I just get a bunch of magazines now via email and watch an hour of CBS news for an hour on my television streaming device. At least that way I can keep up with television and it lets me wind down for the day. It's just information too. I think we need to make our own judgements about what we see in the news and not make the news the news. That is somewhat of a new phenonium from my understanding but I might be wrong. Cable news wars bring in the advertising dollars.