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Cannonpointer » 04 Feb 2023, 1:23 pm » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 1:23 pm

I never suggested you had to be in scholarly pursuit of information. Excuse the **** out of me for not wanting to make references from 80s pop culture that you wouldn't get.

Remind you of this forum? 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGCdLKXNF3w

Monderegal » 05 Feb 2023, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 11:13 am

I don't really remember. I've seen the show but I was more of a kid then. I did kind of fall onto the MSNBC bandwagon for a while because I hated Fox News with a passion. I just get a bunch of magazines now via email and watch an hour of CBS news for an hour on my television streaming device. At least that way I can keep up with television and it lets me wind down for the day. It's just information too. I think we need to make our own judgements about what we see in the news and not make the news the news. That is somewhat of a new phenonium from my understanding but I might be wrong. Cable news wars bring in the advertising dollars.

It's more about being able to separate the wheat from the chaff.

If you pay attention, they will usually tell you the truth at some point, even in a very slanted segment. Of course some will just flat out lie as well.

I also try to read about anything I'm interested in from both sides of the aisle, and then come to a conclusion about the truth somewhere in the middle.

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Monderegal » 05 Feb 2023, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 11:03 am

..Hillary was a much weaker candidate than expected but many still blame her loss on Comey. 

So it wasn't the Russians?

 


 
 
 

Jantje_Smit » 05 Feb 2023, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 11:23 am

So it wasn't the Russians?

 

I think Hillary Clinton was expecting a passing of the crown and ran her election on that premise. Even Donald Trump was surprised he won. The post mortem does include the Russians and Cambridge Analytica. It's undeniable that Putin had a strong dislike for Putin as Hillary did for him. Remember when she misspelled "reset" when meeting with Lavrov? I think there was bad blood, not specifically a mens rea of Trump that contributed to that. To say "it was the Russians" is probably oversimplifying. 

Monderegal » 05 Feb 2023, 11:13 am » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 11:13 am

I don't really remember. I've seen the show but I was more of a kid then. I did kind of fall onto the MSNBC bandwagon for a while because I hated Fox News with a passion. I just get a bunch of magazines now via email and watch an hour of CBS news for an hour on my television streaming device. At least that way I can keep up with television and it lets me wind down for the day. It's just information too. I think we need to make our own judgements about what we see in the news and not make the news the news. That is somewhat of a new phenonium from my understanding but I might be wrong. Cable news wars bring in the advertising dollars.

Jon Stewrt did brilliant take downs of fox news. He called out their **** and shone a light on it - he pretty much single handedly destroyed their reputation. The rest of the media was just an echo chamber - it was Stewart creating the content, and the content was brutal.

It was not until later that normalizing pedophilia, dividing america by race, gaslighting us about the virus, and a host of other nefarious agendas became evident in the rest of the media. 

I've shown you the evidence. You're free to keep guzzling the cbs koolaid. Everyone has the right to see B.S.
 
 

Monderegal » 05 Feb 2023, 11:03 am » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 11:03 am

I assume you can really tailor your taste to devour news that fits your political agenda. I really have no problem with people who are conservative follow conservative viewpoints. They are just that however. They are viewpoints. I personally get most of my news from magazines that are pretty coastal but I find them a lot more inquisitive then some of the right wing sources out there. I guess the real problem is that some sources say they aren't bias when they actually are since eliminating bias is an incredibly difficult thing to do.
Television was extremely careful in two instances that swigged elections. First was the very subtle tip towards Reagan in 1980. That was a game of inches for the big networks that controlled information. The second of course was the Clinton email scandal that probably tipped the election for Donald Trump in 2016. Hillary was a much weaker candidate than expected but many still blame her loss on Comey.

Hillary actually got 3 million more votes than Trump. Her E mails were of no real importance. Trump swore he would put her on trial and "lock her up".
He did not even try.There was no case.
Reagan made a secret deal with the Iranians to not release the hostages  until Carter left office.
The hostages were taken because Kissinger urged Carter to keep the Tehran Embassy fully staffed.Kissinger was acting in harmony with Exxon. Carter should have withdrawn the hostages.  Because of the hostage crisis,Iranian oil was removed from the supply chain. Exxon made billions.

What is a "coastal"  magazine?  I agree that you will find more objective reporting in The Nation, the New Yorker and In These Times than in the American Review or the  American Spectator. I think they are headquartered on the coast as well.

Hillary is in her own hell

Z09 » 05 Feb 2023, 12:20 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 12:20 pm

Her emails were of no real importance..

How do YOU know?

She deleted them

And once deleted, then how were they harmful?
There was no evidence that any of her messages harmed anyone.

Trump claimed that he was going to put her on trial and "lock her up".
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Tell why he actually did NOTHING.

Xavier_Onassis » 05 Feb 2023, 12:36 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 12:36 pm

And once deleted, then how were they harmful?
There was no evidence that any of her messages harmed anyone.

Trump claimed that he was going to put her on trial and "lock her up".
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Tell why he actually did NOTHING.

leaderships keep secrets from fellowships sacrificing their biological time remaining evolving forward here to pay for being told how living should evolve by rule of law set morally and politically promising better tomorrows than genetics sustains in plain sight now.

Oh! economics is the greaest weapon ever invented to govern outcomes for each incoming great great grandchild's time evolving upto becoming 1 of 16 great great grandparents.

Cornering the free will marketplace people pay to deny the self evident for their ride to heaven ignoring genetics is eternally separated now. People dream of a body free intellectual existence after dead and buried. Immortality is a framed mind never navigating time mutually evolving forward now.

persons have to sacrifice understanding their instinctive sense of proportionately alive to believe living can exist after dead. Freely trade away a genetic sole displacement to invest in hope, faith, chairty life after death can happen to their contextual soul assigned by rule of law governing behavior cradle to grave adapting to the moment here.

Xavier_Onassis » 05 Feb 2023, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 12:19 pm

Hillary actually got 3 million more votes than Trump. Her E mails were of no real importance. Trump swore he would put her on trial and "lock her up".
He did not even try.There was no case.
Reagan made a secret deal with the Iranians to not release the hostages  until Carter left office.
The hostages were taken because Kissinger urged Carter to keep the Tehran Embassy fully staffed.Kissinger was acting in harmony with Exxon. Carter should have withdrawn the hostages.  Because of the hostage crisis,Iranian oil was removed from the supply chain. Exxon made billions.

What is a "coastal"  magazine?  I agree that you will find more objective reporting in The Nation, the New Yorker and In These Times than in the American Review or the  American Spectator. I think they are headquartered on the coast as well.

I use the word "coastal" to describe the places where most of the editing and authorship of fairly mainstream magazines are published from. I read Wired too, so that magazine I consider more Western coastal in the form of Silicon Valley. They aren't outright leftest propaganda but they also don't necessarily reflect the viewpoints of more heartland points of view. You can't really get that except from more faith oriented news sources and most of the right wing posters on this board would probably outright reject most of the viewpoints expressed in the magazines I read.

Cannonpointer » 05 Feb 2023, 12:19 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 12:19 pm

Jon Stewrt did brilliant take downs of fox news. He called out their **** and shone a light on it - he pretty much single handedly destroyed their reputation. The rest of the media was just an echo chamber - it was Stewart creating the content, and the content was brutal.

It was not until later that normalizing pedophilia, dividing america by race, gaslighting us about the virus, and a host of other nefarious agendas became evident in the rest of the media. 

I've shown you the evidence. You're free to keep guzzling the cbs koolaid. Everyone has the right to see B.S.

I just like to keep up with the kool aid every once in a while. Some of the other kool aid is spiked.

Monderegal » 05 Feb 2023, 5:16 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 5:16 pm

I just like to keep up with the kool aid every once in a while. Some of the other kool aid is spiked.

All of the koolaid at all of the legacy media is spiked. Derp.
 
It is LITERALLY packaged to your preference. They are doing "news" to order. All of them.
 

Kobia2 » 04 Feb 2023, 12:17 am » wrote: ↑

04 Feb 2023, 12:17 am

                   "Enemy of the people" was an overstatement... They are certainly friends of the Democrat Party and other Leftist activists & operatives... It's everyone else who they are an enemy to... More than anything though, they are enemies of the truth.. Here's a few examples where they have proven themselves enemies of the country by pushing false narratives, lying, and suppressing the truth in order to influence political opinion and elections... The consequences have been costly.  The motive is to discredit & destroy one political Party while protecting & promoting another which shares their own views... Like I said, here's just a small sampling -- we can morph out from there.. 

           1. Russia Gate., and all the lies that went with it trying to prove Trump as a Russian operative.
           2. Hunter Biden, the Lap-Top and much more regarding his business involvements.
           3. The Steele Dossier.
           4. Origins of the deadly Wuhan Corona Virus, along with all the misinformation tailored to put all liability on the Trump administration.
           5. Border Control Officers whipping migrants & asylum refugees crossing our Southwest border.. 
           6. Their coverage of Michael Brown, Trayvon Martin, George Floyd etc which lead to nationwide rioting which resulted in loss of lives.
           7. Their coverage of Kyle Rittenhouse, where every piece of the false narrative was dismantled in court..
           8. Here in Florida the lies told about the Parental Rights in Education Bill --- which the MSM and Co repacked as "Don't say Gay" Bill.
           

You have been indoctrinated by RW media; FAUX GNUS, Breitbart,OAN and the corporate puppets who pull their stings! The FAT MAN is allready considered to be the worst president ever! Evah!
This book exposes all the Russians he was in cahoots with! READ IT and WEEP!      
Also see; DC Report by David Johnston.

 

Cannonpointer » 05 Feb 2023, 5:59 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 5:59 pm

All of the koolaid at all of the legacy media is spiked. Derp.
 
It is LITERALLY packaged to your preference. They are doing "news" to order. All of them.

That must be why I don't see much about Ukraine

nuckinfutz » 05 Feb 2023, 6:22 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 6:22 pm

You have been indoctrinated by RW media; FAUX GNUS, Breitbart,OAN and the corporate puppets who pull their stings! The FAT MAN is allready considered to be the worst president ever! Evah!
This book exposes all the Russians he was in cahoots with! READ IT and WEEP!      
Also see; DC Report by David Johnston.

             And Nutz my old amigo, you continue to receive your news via telepathic messages from a Grapefruit...
   FOX did not exonerate Trump from the charge of Collusion with Russia -- The Mueller Report did...

             
 
 

Kobia2 » 05 Feb 2023, 6:53 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 6:53 pm

             And Nutz my old amigo, you continue to receive your news via telepathic messages from a Grapefruit...
   FOX did not exonerate Trump from the charge of Collusion with Russia -- The Mueller Report did...

             

It did NO SUCH THING,and Mueller himself said so.

Kobia2 » 05 Feb 2023, 6:53 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 6:53 pm

             And Nutz my old amigo, you continue to receive your news via telepathic messages from a Grapefruit...
   FOX did not exonerate Trump from the charge of Collusion with Russia -- The Mueller Report did...

             

WRONG! Mueller report did not!      
 

nuckinfutz » 05 Feb 2023, 10:26 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 10:26 pm

WRONG! Mueller report did not!    

           The Mueller report found no proof of collusion between the Trump Campaign and Russia... Now, Mueller did try to leave obstruction on the table as he slithered off with his tail between his legs -- and that allegation also collapsed.. What we have since learned regarding much of what was asserted by the Democrats & Left about such Collusion went down the **** when the Clinton initiated & funded Steele Dossier to  was completely discredited... 

Xavier_Onassis » 05 Feb 2023, 8:18 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 8:18 pm

It did NO SUCH THING,and Mueller himself said so.

Yes it did and no he didn't.

The report resulted in exhoneration. It spoke for its author, fruitcake 
 

Monderegal » 05 Feb 2023, 12:04 pm » wrote: ↑

05 Feb 2023, 12:04 pm

I think Hillary Clinton was expecting a passing of the crown and ran her election on that premise. Even Donald Trump was surprised he won. The post mortem does include the Russians and Cambridge Analytica. It's undeniable that Putin had a strong dislike for Putin as Hillary did for him. Remember when she misspelled "reset" when meeting with Lavrov? I think there was bad blood, not specifically a mens rea of Trump that contributed to that. To say "it was the Russians" is probably oversimplifying.

lol... I was just kidding, of course it wasn't the Russians, the psycho princess **** up, it was her turn but she forgot to make sure of it... but propaganda said it was the Russians and there are plenty of brainwashed snowflakes that still believe it, she even wrote a book about it...