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Huey » 16 Feb 2023, 12:23 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 12:23 pm

Once again you are unable to explain your explanation.  Or take a stand.  Until you do we will have to go with ONE DESIGN meaning interchangeable parts.

Once again you are unable to explain your explanation

:rofl:  

Or take a stand

:die:   :die:  

Huey » 16 Feb 2023, 12:23 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 12:23 pm

Once again you are unable to explain your explanation.  Or take a stand.  Until you do we will have to go with ONE DESIGN meaning interchangeable parts.

You must be speaking about this:

Variant Definition:
a form or version of something that differs in some respect from other forms of the same thing or from a standard.

Huey » 16 Feb 2023, 1:30 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 1:30 pm

Huey » 16 Feb 2023, 12:23 pm » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 12:23 pm

Once again you are unable to explain your explanation.  Or take a stand.  Until you do we will have to go with ONE DESIGN meaning interchangeable parts.

You must be speaking about this:

Variant Definition:
a form or version of something that differs in some respect from other forms of the same thing or from a standard.

 

@Blackvegetable  

That's dumb.  My 92 Eclipse was patterned on the Eagle Talon.  The looked the same but had completely different engines and suspensions.  Two designs.  

Yet, you can't post the ONE DESIGN from the citation.  Which breaks down the Colts rifles between military and civilian.  

The citation never used the words ONE DESIGN.  With that said:

You can't have it both ways 50 Cal.  It is either one design meaning parts are inter changeable OR at least two designs because the part are not interchangeble.

You can't have it both ways.  This is why you always ran from the posts concerning what parts where changed and refused to discuss the lowers.

There are at least TWO designs affecting mostly the inner workings that make one an automatic and one a semi automatic.  Or in the parlance of the ATF one is a machine gun and the other isn't.  The DOD itself does not consider one an assault rifle.  Again, you cherry pick pieces of citations without fully understanding them

If it is one design, with no changes, why change the name?

@Blackvegetable  

Huey » 16 Feb 2023, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 8:57 am

@Blackvegetable  

This source is completely wrong according to your theory of only one design:

https://www.gunbuilders.com/blog/ar15-v ... ifference/

I suggest reading the entire article.  I already know what you are going to cherry pick.



To allow the auto sear to provide full-auto function, the M16's bolt carrier must be fabricated different from an AR-15's "commercial" bolt carrier group. The extra mass at the back of the carrier interacts with the sear and helps to reduce felt recoil during full-auto fire.



Shown with the safety lever removed, the AR-15's lower receiver (even if "mil-spec") does not have the necessary space to accept an M16's auto sear. The portion highlighted in red must be milled or cut to make room for the sear. Doing so is illegal, since machineguns cannot be manufactured without special licensing and case-by-case approval from the ATF.

Those are just two things.  But the source is inaccurate because according to you there is only ONE DESIGN.

NOte the design differences

@Blackvegetable  

Huey » 17 Feb 2023, 12:33 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 12:33 pm

NOte the design differences

@Blackvegetable

Take this abortion back to the appropriate thread.

Your rule.
 
My bad 

Relevant citations only....

 

Huey » 17 Feb 2023, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 12:32 pm

If it is one design, with no changes, why change the name?

@Blackvegetable

From AR-15 to AR-15?

How on earth can anyone be this stupid?
 

Blackvegetable » 17 Feb 2023, 12:40 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 12:40 pm

Huey » 17 Feb 2023, 12:32 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 12:32 pm

If it is one design, with no changes, why change the name?

@Blackvegetable

From AR-15 to AR-15?

How on earth can anyone be this stupid?
 

 

You are this stupid because you use strike thru too much

Blackvegetable » 14 Feb 2023, 12:47 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:47 pm

Huey » 14 Feb 2023, 12:27 pm » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 12:27 pm

A  brief synopsis

The M 16 was the c601 which was the automatic Armalite 15 rifle was a rifle specifically designed for the battlefield and fires full automatic when designed.

The Sporter/Commanche is an independent design that was specifically designed for civilians and law enforcement.  The only real similarities are external and visual only with the exception of the flash suppressor.  Internally it was designed for semi automatic AND designed as to not have the ability to just drop in M 16 parts and make it full automatic. 

Game. Set. Match.

@Blackvegetable

No one needs your explanation..

I want the answer to the question you are too scairt to answer.
 

 

The Colt Sporter is not the Armalite Rifle 15.  We have been over this.  The Armalite Rifle 15 became the M 16. Not the Sporter.  You don't pay attention to citations, do you?

Huey » 17 Feb 2023, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 1:03 pm

You are this stupid because you use strike thru too much

The Colt Sporter is not the Armalite Rifle 15.  We have been over this.  The Armalite Rifle 15 became the M 16. Not the Sporter.  You don't pay attention to citations, do you?

This article describes the many variations of the Colt AR-15 and M16 rifle family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design


Adios....

Blackvegetable » 17 Feb 2023, 1:14 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 1:14 pm

This article describes the many variations of the Colt AR-15 and M16 rifle family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design

Adios....

And back to the point. First, notice words like COLT AR 15 and M 16 and ARMALITE AR 15.  

The Colt Sporter is not the Armalite Rifle 15.  We have been over this.  The Armalite Rifle 15 became the M 16. Not the Sporter.  You don't pay attention to citations, do you?

Patterned on does not mean the same. Different designs, etc.  

 

Huey » 14 Feb 2023, 9:20 am » wrote: ↑

14 Feb 2023, 9:20 am

Don't forget timing.

I had one that was out of time. It would shave lead and throw it all over the place.

Huey » 17 Feb 2023, 1:16 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 1:16 pm

And back to the point. First, notice words like COLT AR 15 and M 16 and ARMALITE AR 15.  

The Colt Sporter is not the Armalite Rifle 15.  We have been over this.  The Armalite Rifle 15 became the M 16. Not the Sporter.  You don't pay attention to citations, do you?

Patterned on does not mean the same. Different designs, etc.

Verbul.

The words mean what I think they mean.

They are quite clear.
 
 

Blackvegetable » 17 Feb 2023, 1:42 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 1:42 pm

Verbul.

The words mean what I think they mean.

They are quite clear.

No, they don't.  You would understand better if you didn't line thru everything.

And back to the point. First, notice words like COLT AR 15 and M 16 and ARMALITE AR 15.  

The Colt Sporter is not the Armalite Rifle 15.  We have been over this.  The Armalite Rifle 15 became the M 16. Not the Sporter.  You don't pay attention to citations, do you?

Patterned on does not mean the same. Different designs, etc.

Huey » 17 Feb 2023, 1:51 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 1:51 pm

No, they don't.  You would understand better if you didn't line thru everything.

And back to the point. First, notice words like COLT AR 15 and M 16 and ARMALITE AR 15.  

The Colt Sporter is not the Armalite Rifle 15.  We have been over this.  The Armalite Rifle 15 became the M 16. Not the Sporter.  You don't pay attention to citations, do you?

Patterned on does not mean the same. Different designs, etc.

B'bye!

Blackvegetable » 17 Feb 2023, 1:42 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 1:42 pm

Huey » 17 Feb 2023, 1:16 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 1:16 pm

And back to the point. First, notice words like COLT AR 15 and M 16 and ARMALITE AR 15.  

The Colt Sporter is not the Armalite Rifle 15.  We have been over this.  The Armalite Rifle 15 became the M 16. Not the Sporter.  You don't pay attention to citations, do you?

Patterned on does not mean the same. Different designs, etc.

Verbul.

The words mean what I think they mean.

They are quite clear.
 
 

 

 

Blackvegetable » 17 Feb 2023, 2:04 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 2:04 pm

Huey » 17 Feb 2023, 1:51 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 1:51 pm

No, they don't.  You would understand better if you didn't line thru everything.

And back to the point. First, notice words like COLT AR 15 and M 16 and ARMALITE AR 15.  

The Colt Sporter is not the Armalite Rifle 15.  We have been over this.  The Armalite Rifle 15 became the M 16. Not the Sporter.  You don't pay attention to citations, do you?

Patterned on does not mean the same. Different designs, etc.

B'bye!

 

I accept your surrender. Your position makes absolutely no sense.

N​​​​​​​o, they don't.  You would understand better if you didn't line thru everything.

And back to the point. First, notice words like COLT AR 15 and M 16 and ARMALITE AR 15.  

The Colt Sporter is not the Armalite Rifle 15.  We have been over this.  The Armalite Rifle 15 became the M 16. Not the Sporter.  You don't pay attention to citations, do you?

Patterned on does not mean the same. Different designs, etc.

 

Huey » 17 Feb 2023, 2:37 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 2:37 pm

I accept your surrender. Your position makes absolutely no sense.

No, they don't.  You would understand better if you didn't line thru everything.

And back to the point. First, notice words like COLT AR 15 and M 16 and ARMALITE AR 15.  

The Colt Sporter is not the Armalite Rifle 15.  We have been over this.  The Armalite Rifle 15 became the M 16. Not the Sporter.  You don't pay attention to citations, do you?

Patterned on does not mean the same. Different designs, etc.

You need a citation supporting your "case"......none to date do.

You aren't in a position to insist that words have no meaning. If so, why do you feel compelled to argue their meaning?

This is particularly true given that you refuse to explain what the clear meaning of your snippet is.


​​​​​​​Unless you'd like to do so now.
 

Blackvegetable » 17 Feb 2023, 2:45 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 2:45 pm

Huey » 17 Feb 2023, 2:37 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 2:37 pm

I accept your surrender. Your position makes absolutely no sense.

No, they don't.  You would understand better if you didn't line thru everything.

And back to the point. First, notice words like COLT AR 15 and M 16 and ARMALITE AR 15.  

The Colt Sporter is not the Armalite Rifle 15.  We have been over this.  The Armalite Rifle 15 became the M 16. Not the Sporter.  You don't pay attention to citations, do you?

Patterned on does not mean the same. Different designs, etc.

You need a citation supporting your "case"......none to date do.

You aren't in a position to insist that words have no meaning. If so, why do you feel compelled to argue their meaning?

This is particularly true given that you refuse to explain what the clear meaning of your snippet is.


Unless you'd like to do so now.
 

 

You already said Bye and you surrendered.

You need a citation supporting your "case"......none to date do.
​​​​​​​
Every single one...

Huey » 17 Feb 2023, 3:19 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 3:19 pm

You already said Bye and you surrendered.

You need a citation supporting your "case"......none to date do.

Every single one...

Tiny,

I don't intend to debate the meaning of words with an illiterate, nor will I hold myself to your entirely arbitrary distinctions.

​​​​​​​I remain receptive to any credible citation supporting the case you can't articulate...
 

601ArmaLite AR-15 That is what became the M 16.
R6000
 AR-15 Sporter (SP1)That is the first Sporter.

That is from a very familiar link.  You posted from it earlier on this thread. 

@Blackvegetable  
 
 

Blackvegetable » 17 Feb 2023, 3:46 pm » wrote: ↑

17 Feb 2023, 3:46 pm

Tiny,

I don't intend to debate the meaning of words with an illiterate, nor will I hold myself to your entirely arbitrary distinctions.

I remain receptive to any credible citation supporting the case you can't articulate...

You can't debate the meaning words.  You have already posted from a credible citation.  I just slammed you with it.