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Blackvegetable » 18 Feb 2023, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 10:15 am

This article describes the many variations of the Colt AR-15 and M16 rifle family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design

You lose.  I was correct.  It is clearly listed as a civilian model.  Note my definition of variant in my sig.

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 10:20 am

Blackvegetable » 18 Feb 2023, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 10:15 am

This article describes the many variations of the Colt AR-15 and M16 rifle family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design

You lose.  I was correct.  It is clearly listed as a civilian model.  Note my definition of variant in my sig.

 

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 10:20 am

You lose.  I was correct.  It is clearly listed as a civilian model.  Note my definition of variant in my sig.

You lose.  That source, as I posted, Places the Sporter in the civilian category because it differs from the M 16 military standard.

Variant Definition:
a form or version of something that differs in some respect from other forms of the same thing or from a standard.

@Blackvegetable  

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 12:44 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 12:44 pm

You lose.  That source, as I posted, Places the Sporter in the civilian category because it differs from the M 16 military standard.

Variant Definition:
a form or version of something that differs in some respect from other forms of the same thing or from a standard.

@Blackvegetable

No, Tiny...
 

Blackvegetable » 18 Feb 2023, 12:51 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 12:51 pm

No, Tiny...

Yes, Kydex 67.  Different designs, different models, different lowers, different internal mechanisms.  

I’ll repost the photos.

Huey » 16 Feb 2023, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 8:57 am

@Blackvegetable  

This source is completely wrong according to your theory of only one design:

https://www.gunbuilders.com/blog/ar15-v ... ifference/

I suggest reading the entire article.  I already know what you are going to cherry pick.



To allow the auto sear to provide full-auto function, the M16's bolt carrier must be fabricated different from an AR-15's "commercial" bolt carrier group. The extra mass at the back of the carrier interacts with the sear and helps to reduce felt recoil during full-auto fire.



Shown with the safety lever removed, the AR-15's lower receiver (even if "mil-spec") does not have the necessary space to accept an M16's auto sear. The portion highlighted in red must be milled or cut to make room for the sear. Doing so is illegal, since machineguns cannot be manufactured without special licensing and case-by-case approval from the ATF.

Those are just two things.  But the source is inaccurate because according to you there is only ONE DESIGN.

@Blackvegetable  

That is just two of the design differences.  The link has more.  Ignore facts, Kydex 67.

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 12:53 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 12:53 pm

Yes, Kydex 67.  Different designs, different models, different lowers, different internal mechanisms.  

I’ll repost the photos.

This article describes the many variations of the Colt AR-15 and M16 rifle family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design

QED
 

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 12:54 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 12:54 pm

@Blackvegetable  

That is just two of the design differences.  The link has more.  Ignore facts, Kydex 67.

Until you identify the weapon in your snippet, you lose.

When you do, you lose.
 

Blackvegetable » 18 Feb 2023, 12:57 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 12:57 pm

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 12:53 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 12:53 pm

Yes, Kydex 67.  Different designs, different models, different lowers, different internal mechanisms.  

I’ll repost the photos.

This article describes the many variations of the Colt AR-15 and M16 rifle family of weapons produced by Colt's Manufacturing Company. Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design

QED

 

Yes, Kydex 67.  Different designs, different models, different lowers, different internal mechanisms.  

I’ll repost the photos.

Different designs (as posted) and different categories.  You have the definition of variant.  You refuse to admit you’re wrong.
 

Blackvegetable » 18 Feb 2023, 12:58 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 12:58 pm

Until you identify the weapon in your snippet, you lose.

When you do, you lose.

That has already been done.  You have model numbers and everything.  You can not win this argument.  The facts are against you.  

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 12:59 pm

That has already been done.  You have model numbers and everything.  You can not win this argument.  The facts are against you.

No...then you have lost.

If you have lost you should stop yapping.
 

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 12:59 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 12:59 pm

Different designs (as posted) and different categories.  You have the definition of variant.  You refuse to admit you’re wrong.

Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design
 

Blackvegetable » 18 Feb 2023, 1:03 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 1:03 pm

No...then you have lost.

If you have lost you should stop yapping.

YES, it has been posted.  You have even used the source multiple times.

I’m good.  I know what I am talking about.  Been around those weapons for 40 years.  

There is a reason you refuse to discuss the lowers.  The moment you do younwill embarrass yourself.

This is what you refuse to discuss.  Those are a different design:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

 
 

Blackvegetable » 18 Feb 2023, 1:07 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 1:07 pm

Weapons patterned on the original ArmaLite AR-15 design

Nobody said otherwise.  Patterned after does not mean the same.  Here are some design differences:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 1:12 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 1:12 pm

Nobody said otherwise.  Patterned after does not mean the same.  Here are some design differences:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

 Enough.

Blackvegetable » 18 Feb 2023, 1:50 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 1:50 pm

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 1:12 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 1:12 pm

Nobody said otherwise.  Patterned after does not mean the same.  Here are some design differences:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

 Enough.

 

Enough from you.

At least two designs.  Look at all the parts that were designed to ensure it was not a weapon of war:

Nobody said otherwise.  Patterned after does not mean the same.  Here are some design differences:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

Run from the discussion of the lowers and the bolt carrier mechanism.

Changed in basic design….
 

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 1:55 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 1:55 pm

Enough from you.

At least two designs.  Look at all the parts that were designed to ensure it was not a weapon of war:

Nobody said otherwise.  Patterned after does not mean the same.  Here are some design differences:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

Run from the discussion of the lowers and the bolt carrier mechanism.

Changed in basic design….

you reconcile your claptrap with @Redheaded Stranger  and come back to me with consensus.

Until you do you are in conflict with  him AND every citation.
 

Blackvegetable » 18 Feb 2023, 3:20 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 3:20 pm

you reconcile your claptrap with @Redheaded Stranger  and come back to me with consensus.

Until you do you are in conflict with  him AND every citation.

Enough.  You lost.  Two designs.  Different parts, different functions.  One for the battlefield and one for civilians.  

Until you post something that says otherwise go back to your TDS threads.  This topic is not for you.

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 1:11 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 1:11 pm

YES, it has been posted.  You have even used the source multiple times.

I’m good.  I know what I am talking about.  Been around those weapons for 40 years.  

There is a reason you refuse to discuss the lowers.  The moment you do younwill embarrass yourself.

This is what you refuse to discuss.  Those are a different design:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

There is no chance in hell that I am debating the nuances of "split receiver" design with someone who can't admit what the plain text of citations mean.

 
 

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 3:25 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 3:25 pm

Enough.  You lost.  Two designs. Different parts, different functions.  One for the battlefield and one for civilians.  

Until you post something that says otherwise go back to your TDS threads.  This topic is not for you.

Not one citation confirms this.


Not one...

Only Tinyian Chinxit.