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Blackvegetable » 18 Feb 2023, 3:26 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 3:26 pm

Not one citation confirms this.

Not one...

Only Tinyian Chinxit.

Kydex 67,


Until you explain why all these parts are design different than the M 16 you got nuttin.  This citation you lined thru confirms my argument:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]
 

Huey » 16 Feb 2023, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 8:57 am

@Blackvegetable  

This source is completely wrong according to your theory of only one design:

https://www.gunbuilders.com/blog/ar15-v ... ifference/

I suggest reading the entire article.  I already know what you are going to cherry pick.



To allow the auto sear to provide full-auto function, the M16's bolt carrier must be fabricated different from an AR-15's "commercial" bolt carrier group. The extra mass at the back of the carrier interacts with the sear and helps to reduce felt recoil during full-auto fire.



Shown with the safety lever removed, the AR-15's lower receiver (even if "mil-spec") does not have the necessary space to accept an M16's auto sear. The portion highlighted in red must be milled or cut to make room for the sear. Doing so is illegal, since machineguns cannot be manufactured without special licensing and case-by-case approval from the ATF.

Those are just two things.  But the source is inaccurate because according to you there is only ONE DESIGN.

@Blackvegetable  

Explain why these parts have a different design.  As well as the receiver they are part of.
 

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 3:29 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 3:29 pm

Kydex 67,

Until you explain why all these parts are design different than the M 16 you got nuttin.  This citation you lined thru confirms my argument:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

I have "every citation", and a timeline consistent with known facts and reason.

You have nothing except a lack of integrity.


 

Blackvegetable » 18 Feb 2023, 3:59 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 3:59 pm

I have "every citation", and a timeline consistent with known facts and reason.

You have nothing except a lack of integrity.

None of your citation says there is one design.  You got your *** **** stomped and you are not man enough to admit it.  Keep lining facts out and remain STOOPID. 

Kydex 67,

Until you explain why all these parts are design different than the M 16 you got nuttin.  This citation you lined thru confirms my argument:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 3:30 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 3:30 pm

Huey » 16 Feb 2023, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 8:57 am

@Blackvegetable  

This source is completely wrong according to your theory of only one design:

https://www.gunbuilders.com/blog/ar15-v ... ifference/

I suggest reading the entire article.  I already know what you are going to cherry pick.



To allow the auto sear to provide full-auto function, the M16's bolt carrier must be fabricated different from an AR-15's "commercial" bolt carrier group. The extra mass at the back of the carrier interacts with the sear and helps to reduce felt recoil during full-auto fire.



Shown with the safety lever removed, the AR-15's lower receiver (even if "mil-spec") does not have the necessary space to accept an M16's auto sear. The portion highlighted in red must be milled or cut to make room for the sear. Doing so is illegal, since machineguns cannot be manufactured without special licensing and case-by-case approval from the ATF.

Those are just two things.  But the source is inaccurate because according to you there is only ONE DESIGN.

@Blackvegetable  

Explain why these parts have a different design.  As well as the receiver they are part of.
 

 

@Blackvegetable  

Proof of at least two designs.

Kydex 67,

Until you explain why all these parts are design different than the M 16 you got nuttin.  This citation you lined thru confirms my argument:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 4:04 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 4:04 pm

@Blackvegetable  

Proof of at least two designs.

Kydex 67,

Until you explain why all these parts are design different than the M 16 you got nuttin.  This citation you lined thru confirms my argument:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

@Blackvegetable  

Huey » 19 Feb 2023, 10:55 am » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2023, 10:55 am

@Blackvegetable

Until you explain why all these parts are design different than the M 16

 M16 Armorer Course

Course Category: 
ArmorerThis course covers the M16 family of weapons, the M4, the AR15, and all variants. Upon completion of this course, you will be able to make alterations and change parts to customize your firearm. Most gunsmith’s are not legally allowed to work on the AR15/M16/M4, due to the assault weapons ban and the special licenses required. So if you want to keep your carbine fully operational and in top working order, we highly recommend this course to you. We will have AR15s available for student use during this course if you do not have your own

https://www.ftatv.com/m16-armorer-course


:rofl:  

Blackvegetable » 19 Feb 2023, 11:00 am » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2023, 11:00 am

 M16 Armorer Course

Course Category: 
ArmorerThis course covers the M16 family of weapons, the M4, the AR15, and all variants. Upon completion of this course, you will be able to make alterations and change parts to customize your firearm. Most gunsmith’s are not legally allowed to work on the AR15/M16/M4, due to the assault weapons ban and the special licenses required. So if you want to keep your carbine fully operational and in top working order, we highly recommend this course to you. We will have AR15s available for student use during this course if you do not have your own

https://www.ftatv.com/m16-armorer-course

That’s nice.  The Sporter has a different design.  I’ll show you.

Huey » 16 Feb 2023, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

16 Feb 2023, 8:57 am

@Blackvegetable  

This source is completely wrong according to your theory of only one design:

https://www.gunbuilders.com/blog/ar15-v ... ifference/

I suggest reading the entire article.  I already know what you are going to cherry pick.



To allow the auto sear to provide full-auto function, the M16's bolt carrier must be fabricated different from an AR-15's "commercial" bolt carrier group. The extra mass at the back of the carrier interacts with the sear and helps to reduce felt recoil during full-auto fire.



Shown with the safety lever removed, the AR-15's lower receiver (even if "mil-spec") does not have the necessary space to accept an M16's auto sear. The portion highlighted in red must be milled or cut to make room for the sear. Doing so is illegal, since machineguns cannot be manufactured without special licensing and case-by-case approval from the ATF.

Those are just two things.  But the source is inaccurate because according to you there is only ONE DESIGN.

Different designs.

Huey » 18 Feb 2023, 4:04 pm » wrote: ↑

18 Feb 2023, 4:04 pm

@Blackvegetable  

Proof of at least two designs.

Kydex 67,

Until you explain why all these parts are design different than the M 16 you got nuttin.

Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2021/12/origin ... z7tmUNxVvj
“It is because (my thoughts) that they sent two rifles,” Stamboulieh offered. “One was an automatic rifle, and the other was the modified rifle made to be not a machinegun (a semi-automatic version). So the ATF said, yes, this modified ‘automatic rifle’ is not a firearm under the NFA (therefore, not a machinegun and in other words, a semi-auto).”

 “Bingo!” Savage replied. “They sent an ‘Unserviceable’ M16 so ATF could compare it and the new rifle and were told it was still considered an MG even if unserviceable since it was not properly destroyed. I laughed when Colt was told ‘file a Form 2’ in order to get it back… Wonder if it is still in National Firearms Collection?”

Done...

Acknowledge your loss.

Huey » 19 Feb 2023, 11:02 am » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2023, 11:02 am

That’s nice.  The Sporter has a different design.  I’ll show you.

No...it doesn’t...

It has modifications.

 

Blackvegetable » 19 Feb 2023, 11:23 am » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2023, 11:23 am

Read more: https://www.ammoland.com/2021/12/origin ... z7tmUNxVvj
“It is because (my thoughts) that they sent two rifles,” Stamboulieh offered. “One was an automatic rifle, and the other was the modified rifle made to be not a machinegun (a semi-automatic version). So the ATF said, yes, this modified ‘automatic rifle’ is not a firearm under the NFA (therefore, not a machinegun and in other words, a semi-auto).”

 “Bingo!” Savage replied. “They sent an ‘Unserviceable’ M16 so ATF could compare it and the new rifle and were told it was still considered an MG even if unserviceable since it was not properly destroyed. I laughed when Colt was told ‘file a Form 2’ in order to get it back… Wonder if it is still in National Firearms Collection?”

Done...

Acknowledge your loss.

Forgot something:

have changed the weapon in basic design…

Huey » 19 Feb 2023, 11:24 am » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2023, 11:24 am

Forgot something:

have changed the weapon in basic design…

No....

That's ATF talking, here's-a-word.

That's irrelevant. 

Which weapon was changed?


 

Blackvegetable » 19 Feb 2023, 11:24 am » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2023, 11:24 am

No...it doesn’t...

It has modifications.

Stop redefining the language.  Modifications are a change.  These are all design changes:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

Blackvegetable » 19 Feb 2023, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2023, 11:28 am

No....

That's ATF talking, here's-a-word.

That's irrelevant. 

Which weapon was changed?

LMAO.

Take the L.

Huey » 19 Feb 2023, 11:34 am » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2023, 11:34 am

Stop redefining the language.  Modifications are a change.  These are all design changes:

In order to prevent a civilian semi-automatic AR-15 from being readily converted for use with the select fire components, Colt changed a number of features. Parts changed include the lower receiver, bolt carrier, hammer, trigger, disconnector, and safety/mode selector. The semi-automatic bolt carrier has a longer lightening slot to prevent the bolt's engagement with an automatic sear. Due to a decrease in mass the buffer spring is heavier. On the select fire version, the hammer has an extra spur which interacts with the additional auto-sear that holds it back until the bolt carrier group is fully in battery, when automatic fire is selected.[21] Using a portion of the select fire parts in a semi-automatic rifle will not enable a select fire option.[22] As designed by Colt the pins supporting the semi-auto trigger and hammer in the lower receiver are larger than those used in the military rifle to prevent interchangeability between semi-automatic and select fire components.[23]

 

Colt changed a number of features

that's nice...

those are "changes" to something that already exists..

specifically, the M16.
 

Huey » 19 Feb 2023, 11:35 am » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2023, 11:35 am

LMAO.

Take the L.

Which weapon was changed?

YOUR challenges have been addressed.
 

Blackvegetable » 19 Feb 2023, 11:36 am » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2023, 11:36 am

that's nice...

those are "changes" to something that already exists..

specifically, the M16.

With changed design to internal parts and the receiver.  Not designed for the battlefield.  Not one design.

Blackvegetable » 19 Feb 2023, 11:28 am » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2023, 11:28 am

No....

That's ATF talking, here's-a-word.

That's irrelevant. 

Which weapon was changed?

The one they are talking about in the source you keep posting.  Duh!

Blackvegetable » 19 Feb 2023, 11:37 am » wrote: ↑

19 Feb 2023, 11:37 am

Which weapon was changed?

YOUR challenges have been addressed.

Lmao!