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Blackvegetable » 20 Feb 2023, 6:43 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2023, 6:43 pm

Huey » 20 Feb 2023, 6:39 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2023, 6:39 pm

You lost.  The ATF used terms from the 1934 NFA such as machine gun to describe what we now call automatics.  In the passage below they are not discussing the Armilite Rifle 15, the prototype is what we now call the semi automatic Sporter.  That is why it was defined as “not a machine gun.  Get thenfick face, loser.  I have no been waiting for days to kill your argument with this.  You ain’t ****.

it is over.  You lost BIGLY.  It is not a weapon designed for the battlefield.  See ya tomorrow, ya **** loser.

Tiny,

If ATF is making reference to the AR-15,  there was only one "AR-15" in production in 1963..

That is the Colt "AR-15" sold to the Air Force in 1962, which would be designated M16.

Acknowledge. 
 

 

 

Huey » 21 Feb 2023, 7:34 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 7:34 am

Blackvegetable » 20 Feb 2023, 6:43 pm » wrote: ↑

20 Feb 2023, 6:43 pm

Tiny,

If ATF is making reference to the AR-15,  there was only one "AR-15" in production in 1963..

That is the Colt "AR-15" sold to the Air Force in 1962, which would be designated M16.

Acknowledge.

Wrong.

It is the opinion of this office that the AR-15 automatic rifle used as a
prototype model of the Sport Version weapon

 

 

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“In 1968 firearms industry terminology ‘automatic rifle’ means the same as ‘auto-loading rifle,’ i.e., a rifle that loads itself for the next shot,” he recalled. “Even in 1979-1980 when I took my hunters’ safety course the State of Michigan used the two terms interchangeably throughout the course.”

 

Huey » 21 Feb 2023, 7:43 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 7:43 am

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“In 1968 firearms industry terminology ‘automatic rifle’ means the same as ‘auto-loading rifle,’ i.e., a rifle that loads itself for the next shot,” he recalled. “Even in 1979-1980 when I took my hunters’ safety course the State of Michigan used the two terms interchangeably throughout the course.”

Focus, little putz.

Acknowledge. 

Huey » 21 Feb 2023, 7:34 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 7:34 am

Wrong.

Where is your case?

are you suggesting that they modified a semi automatic so as to not be a machine gun?

Blackvegetable » 21 Feb 2023, 7:53 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 7:53 am

Focus, little putz.

Acknowledge.

Focus, Kydex 67.
It is the opinion of this office that the AR-15 automatic rifle used as a
prototype model of the Sport Version weapon

The weapon referenced is the semi auto Colt Sporter.  You can't use a machine gun as a prototype for certification for civilian sale.  

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“In 1968 firearms industry terminology ‘automatic rifle’ means the same as ‘auto-loading rifle,’ i.e., a rifle that loads itself for the next shot,” he recalled. “Even in 1979-1980 when I took my hunters’ safety course the State of Michigan used the two terms interchangeably throughout the course.”

Your problem is you don't understand the subject matter.

Acknowledge.

 
 

Blackvegetable » 21 Feb 2023, 7:54 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 7:54 am

Where is your case?

are you suggesting that they modified a semi automatic so as to not be a machine gun?

My case is made.  You lost.  Different designs.  

Huey » 21 Feb 2023, 8:02 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 8:02 am

My case is made.  You lost.  Different designs.

No...not because you assert so.

are you suggesting that they modified a semi automatic so as to not be a machine gun?

Blackvegetable » 21 Feb 2023, 8:06 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 8:06 am

No...not because you assert so.

are you suggesting that they modified a semi automatic so as to not be a machine gun?

Not my assertion:

It is the opinion of this office that the AR-15 automatic rifle used as a
prototype model of the Sport Version weapon

Acknowledge. 

We can not move on until I am sure you understand the terminology used in the discussion.  

Huey » 21 Feb 2023, 8:09 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 8:09 am

Not my assertion:

It is the opinion of this office that the AR-15 automatic rifle used as a
prototype model of the Sport Version weapon

Acknowledge. 

We can not move on until I am sure you understand the terminology used in the discussion.

Acknowledge what?

It doesn't mean what you won't say it means.

Again, don't mix and match Colt/Military/ATF jargon.

 

Blackvegetable » 21 Feb 2023, 8:12 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 8:12 am

Huey » 21 Feb 2023, 8:09 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 8:09 am

Not my assertion:

It is the opinion of this office that the AR-15 automatic rifle used as a
prototype model of the Sport Version weapon

Acknowledge. 

We can not move on until I am sure you understand the terminology used in the discussion.

Acknowledge what?

It doesn't mean what you won't say it means.

Again, don't mix and match Colt/Military/ATF jargon.

 

 

It means exactly what I said it is.  Tells what you think it says. 

Huey » 21 Feb 2023, 8:13 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 8:13 am

It means exactly what I said it is.  Tells what you think it says.

I've already done so.

You haven't...

You may proceed to do so now.

Or take the L, again.
 

Blackvegetable » 21 Feb 2023, 8:15 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 8:15 am

I've already done so.

You haven't...

You may proceed to do so now.

Or take the L, again.

Then you have lost.  2 Designs.

Huey » 21 Feb 2023, 8:17 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 8:17 am

Then you have lost.  2 Designs.

No evidence. 


 

Blackvegetable » 21 Feb 2023, 8:32 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 8:32 am

No evidence.

It is the opinion of this office that the AR-15 automatic rifle used as a
prototype model of the Sport Version weapon

Huey » 21 Feb 2023, 8:33 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 8:33 am

It is the opinion of this office that the AR-15 automatic rifle used as a
prototype model of the Sport Version weapon

That is not a case.

It's a snippet.

What do you believe it proves?
 

Blackvegetable » 21 Feb 2023, 8:57 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 8:57 am

That is not a case.

It's a snippet.

What do you believe it proves?

Already done.  

The weapon referenced is the semi auto Colt Sporter.  You can't use a machine gun as a prototype for certification for civilian sale. 

viewtopic.php?p=2239578#p2239578

Two designs

Huey » 21 Feb 2023, 9:09 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 9:09 am

Already done.  

The weapon referenced is the semi auto Colt Sporter.  You can't use a machine gun as a prototype for certification for civilian sale. 

viewtopic.php?p=2239578#p2239578

Two designs

Tiny,

Stop rebleating.

Are you suggesting that the other weapon Colt provided to the ATF was a semi automatic Colt AR-15?
 

Blackvegetable » 21 Feb 2023, 9:33 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 9:33 am

Tiny,

Stop rebleating.

Are you suggesting that the other weapon Colt provided to the ATF was a semi automatic Colt AR-15?

Nope.  The prototype mentioned was at the time the Colt Sports Version which became the Sporter.  

Huey » 21 Feb 2023, 10:07 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 10:07 am

Nope.  The prototype mentioned was at the time the Colt Sports Version which became the Sporter.

What ARE you arguing that you believe this snippet demonstrates?

If the 2nd weapon is not a semi auto, what is it?
 

Blackvegetable » 21 Feb 2023, 10:15 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 10:15 am

What ARE you arguing that you believe this snippet demonstrates?

If the 2nd weapon is not a semi auto, what is it?

I have already told you.  The source has told you.  You are asking the same, STOOPID questions over and over.  

Huey » 21 Feb 2023, 9:09 am » wrote: ↑

21 Feb 2023, 9:09 am

Already done.  

The weapon referenced is the semi auto Colt Sporter.  You can't use a machine gun as a prototype for certification for civilian sale. 

viewtopic.php?p=2239578#p2239578

Two designs

@Blackvegetable  

I am saying there are two designs.  Don't ask again.