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"With repeated disasters near Vuhledar, a failed attack based out of Kreminna, and what looks to be two full companies lost in a fruitless assault on Avdiivka, Russia has been throwing away its troops at a sustained rate far greater than it did at any point in 2022."

https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/2/1 ... aults-fail

"But then the astoundingly foolish assault on Avdiivka combined with more bad decisions at all of the above, and the end result is that on Saturday the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces reported that Russia had lost an absolutely staggering 1,140 men in one day.

There are estimates that Russia now has 320,000 troops in Ukraine. If they keep falling at the rate they were lost this week, all of them will be dead before the end of the year.

It’s worth noting that those Russian losses haven’t come in the form we’ve become familiar with after watching months of activity near Bakhmut — small companies of men sent across fields or along streets betweened ruined buildings with little to no armor support. All week long the losses have come in the form of entire armored units blasted to smithereens along roadways. In part this has come because Russia has done what Ukraine refused to do: attempt to assault fortified positions in conditions that meant armor was restricted to traveling along a few narrow roadways. In part it’s because Russia seems to be replicating with its armored forces the tactics that it had “mastered” with infantry — if at first everyone gets killed, just send more."
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2023/2/1 ... aults-fail

Selaphobia » 11 Feb 2023, 4:17 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 4:17 pm

US & EU thought Russia would go bankrupt in 2022   

Russian economy will return to growth this year – Central Bank

An improved forecast echoes IMF predictions that Russia will outpace Germany and the UK in 2023

https://www.rt.com/business/571305-russ ... -improved/

Rooting for RUSSIA!
GODDAM TRAITOR!        
 

nuckinfutz » 11 Feb 2023, 4:33 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 4:33 pm

Rooting for RUSSIA!
GODDAM TRAITOR!      

Fascist love a fascist.

That's Ukrainian disinformation. They're getting their *** beat

why do you believe these stupid sources?

Warcok » 11 Feb 2023, 4:44 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 4:44 pm

That's Ukrainian disinformation. They're getting their *** beat

They're doing a very good job of disinformation they are fooling reporters on the ground wow.
Idiot

slideman » 11 Feb 2023, 4:47 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 4:47 pm

They're doing a very good job of disinformation they are fooling reporters on the ground wow.
Idiot

lol...first of all...why the **** would 'reporters on the ground' know macroscopic stats on the war, and second why would you assume they would tell the truth even if they did?

the only person who had to be fooled was you. And that was easy.

slideman » 11 Feb 2023, 4:47 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 4:47 pm

They're doing a very good job of disinformation they are fooling reporters on the ground wow.
Idiot

It's nothing more than a desperate attempt to build morale and nationalism. 

Ukraine is going down faster than @Blackvegetable   daughter after two Zima's
 
 
 

How the War in Ukraine Could End Sooner Than Expected

"There are predictions aplenty that Russia's war on Ukraine will persist. But it could also end soon. Kremlin regime change, a Russian army collapse, or a Ukrainian win are possible. None of these contingencies should be ruled out."

https://www.rand.org/blog/2023/01/how-t ... ected.html

slideman » 11 Feb 2023, 4:37 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 4:37 pm

Fascist love a fascist.

putin is not a fascist, lol

FOS » 11 Feb 2023, 5:09 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 5:09 pm

putin is not a fascist, lol

Close enough

slideman » 11 Feb 2023, 5:11 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 5:11 pm

Close enough

not close at all. You should figure out what you really dislike about putin, because i doubt it is national syndicalism.

Warcok » 11 Feb 2023, 4:59 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 4:59 pm

It's nothing more than a desperate attempt to build morale and nationalism. 

Ukraine is going down faster than @Blackvegetable   daughter after two Zima's

That doesn't appear to be very fast...

Don't you ever tire of looking the idiot?
 

Putin: “They should have realized that they have already lost from the very beginning of our special military operation,” Putin said. “Its beginning also means the beginning of a radical breakdown of the American world order.”

We should send 200,000 troops with accompanying armor and air to Ukraine and sink the Russian fleet.
**** them

slideman » 11 Feb 2023, 5:36 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 5:36 pm

Putin: “They should have realized that they have already lost from the very beginning of our special military operation,” Putin said. “Its beginning also means the beginning of a radical breakdown of the American world order.”

We should send 200,000 troops with accompanying armor and air to Ukraine and sink the Russian fleet.
**** them

Setting The Record Straight - Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine

On February 16, 2022, a full week before Putin sent combat troops into Ukraine, the Ukrainian Army began the heavy bombardment of the area (in east Ukraine) occupied by mainly ethnic Russians. 

Officials from the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) were located in the vicinity at the time and kept a record of the shelling as it took place. What the OSCE discovered was that the bombardment dramatically intensified as the week went on until it reached a peak on February 19, when a total of 2,026 artillery strikes were recorded. Keep in mind, the Ukrainian Army was, in fact, shelling civilian areas along the Line of Contact that were occupied by other Ukrainians.

We want to emphasize that the officials from the OSCE were operating in their professional capacity gathering first-hand evidence of shelling in the area. What their data shows is that Ukrainian Forces were bombing and killing their own people. This has all been documented and has not been challenged.

So, the question we must all ask ourselves is this: Is the bombardment and slaughter of one’s own people an ‘act of war’?

We think it is. And if we are right, then we must logically assume that the war began before the Russian invasion (which was launched a full week later) We must also assume that Russia’s alleged “unprovoked aggression” was not unprovoked at all but was the appropriate humanitarian response to the deliberate killing of civilians. In order to argue that the Russian invasion was ‘not provoked’, we would have to say that firing over 4,000 artillery shells into towns and neighborhoods where women and children live, is not a provocation? Who will defend that point of view?

No one, because it’s absurd. The killing of civilians in the Donbas was a clear provocation, a provocation that was aimed at goading Russia into a war. And –as we said earlier– the OSCE had monitors on the ground who provided full documentation of the shelling as it took place, which is as close to ironclad, eyewitness testimony as you’re going to get.

This, of course, is a major break with the “official narrative” which identifies Russia as the perpetrator of hostilities. But, as we’ve shown, that simply isn’t the case. The official narrative is wrong. Even so, it might not surprise you to know that most of the mainstream media completely omitted any coverage of the OSCE’s fact-finding activities in east Ukraine. The one exception to was Reuters that published a deliberately opaque account published on February 18 titled “Russia voices alarm over sharp increase of Donbass shelling”. Here’s an excerpt:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... ut-ukraine

 
 

Majik » 11 Feb 2023, 5:52 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 5:52 pm

Setting The Record Straight - Stuff You Should Know About Ukraine

On February 16, 2022, a full week before Putin sent combat troops into Ukraine, the Ukrainian Army began the heavy bombardment of the area (in east Ukraine) occupied by mainly ethnic Russians. 

Officials from the Observer Mission of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe (OSCE) were located in the vicinity at the time and kept a record of the shelling as it took place. What the OSCE discovered was that the bombardment dramatically intensified as the week went on until it reached a peak on February 19, when a total of 2,026 artillery strikes were recorded. Keep in mind, the Ukrainian Army was, in fact, shelling civilian areas along the Line of Contact that were occupied by other Ukrainians.

We want to emphasize that the officials from the OSCE were operating in their professional capacity gathering first-hand evidence of shelling in the area. What their data shows is that Ukrainian Forces were bombing and killing their own people. This has all been documented and has not been challenged.

So, the question we must all ask ourselves is this: Is the bombardment and slaughter of one’s own people an ‘act of war’?

We think it is. And if we are right, then we must logically assume that the war began before the Russian invasion (which was launched a full week later) We must also assume that Russia’s alleged “unprovoked aggression” was not unprovoked at all but was the appropriate humanitarian response to the deliberate killing of civilians. In order to argue that the Russian invasion was ‘not provoked’, we would have to say that firing over 4,000 artillery shells into towns and neighborhoods where women and children live, is not a provocation? Who will defend that point of view?

No one, because it’s absurd. The killing of civilians in the Donbas was a clear provocation, a provocation that was aimed at goading Russia into a war. And –as we said earlier– the OSCE had monitors on the ground who provided full documentation of the shelling as it took place, which is as close to ironclad, eyewitness testimony as you’re going to get.

This, of course, is a major break with the “official narrative” which identifies Russia as the perpetrator of hostilities. But, as we’ve shown, that simply isn’t the case. The official narrative is wrong. Even so, it might not surprise you to know that most of the mainstream media completely omitted any coverage of the OSCE’s fact-finding activities in east Ukraine. The one exception to was Reuters that published a deliberately opaque account published on February 18 titled “Russia voices alarm over sharp increase of Donbass shelling”. Here’s an excerpt:

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/ ... ut-ukraine
 

A load of **** Russian propaganda

U.S. Accuses Zero Hedge of Spreading Russian Propaganda

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... propaganda

slideman » 11 Feb 2023, 5:59 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 5:59 pm

U.S. Accuses Zero Hedge of Spreading Russian Propaganda

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... propaganda

i would accuse the US of spreading US propaganda.

slideman » 11 Feb 2023, 5:59 pm » wrote: ↑

11 Feb 2023, 5:59 pm

U.S. Accuses Zero Hedge of Spreading Russian Propaganda

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... propaganda

But it's not propaganda ....
it's on the OSCE website .....
where did you think zerohedge got the screen shot from and the statistics ......in the link....
You are the one spreading propaganda .....