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David Hogg says Second Amendment 'intentionally misinterpreted' to protect individual rights
David Hogg says Second Amendment 'intentionally misinterpreted' to protect individual rights
By Punch
20 Feb 2023 7:05 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
23 Feb 2023 5:57 am
Agreed...with the exception of the very last comment.ROG62 » 22 Feb 2023, 7:25 pm » wrote: ↑ I think the writer makes a very compelling argument with solid detail to specific arguments...
i agree with what you're saying...as background checks and red flag laws are needed...the problem remains tho is how do you keep guns out of the hands of criminals and whack jobs...
The problem is that there is no good reason reason why anybody, any civilian in any allegedly civilized society, needs access to firearms that when set on full automatic can clear a 30 round clip in under two seconds, or when set on semi-auto can clear that clip in under 12 seconds. So let's not get bogged down on the tangential "fully automatic" argument. Particularly when its still so easy to get one's hands on a bump stock.
That a small section of an often flawed founding document of the nation says so, or that the highest court in the land says so...well, these are not good enough **** reasons for public access to a firearm that can clear a 30 round clip in 12 seconds.
We are an imperfect, massively flawed, and in this case, insane species...this is just **** insane.
23 Feb 2023 6:00 am
he is a wanna have 15 minutes of fame, and the media gave it to him. The fool fits useful idiot category.
23 Feb 2023 6:02 am
Nostradamus'omh » 23 Feb 2023, 7:00 am » wrote: ↑ he is a wanna have 15 minutes of fame, and the media gave it to him. The fool fits useful idiot category.
Hogg wants the lime light and the easy money. He's a fool just like AOC.
23 Feb 2023 6:04 am
Every social identity wishing life were more than existing as reproductively here, eternally separated in their ancestral time adapting in plain sight here, now.roadkill » 23 Feb 2023, 7:02 am » wrote: ↑ Hogg wants the lime light and the easy money. He's a fool just like AOC.
each brain is embedded with awareness to their unique displacement. An adopted social mind ignores that awareness to insanity of one self or the entire group think.
23 Feb 2023 6:21 am
There is nothing in the languange of the Second Amendment that limits the legislative or judicial branches from denying public access to specific weapons or accessories to specific weapons. There are many firearms and accessories that we can't legally get our hands on...and we still have a second amendment that works as the founders intended.Huey » 23 Feb 2023, 6:34 am » wrote: ↑ If you don't like the 2A start a grass root campaign to start Article 5 proceedings to propose an amendment to the constitution.
You said it yourself. It is effectively impossible for the public to get their hands on a rifle that will fire on full automatic. It is, for the moment, still illegal to be in possession of a bump stock. The Las Vegas music festival shooting was commited with a fully automatic weapon. And we still have a Second Amendment.
23 Feb 2023 6:27 am
You still haven't met the challenge of demonstrating how, specifically, they have reduced gun violence.
We're waiting...
23 Feb 2023 6:35 am
IkeBana » 23 Feb 2023, 7:21 am » wrote: ↑ There is nothing in the languange of the Second Amendment that limits the legislative or judicial branches from denying public access to specific weapons or accessories to specific weapons. There are many firearms and accessories that we can't legally get our hands on...and we still have a second amendment that works as the founders intended.
You said it yourself. It is effectively impossible for the public to get their hands on a rifle that will fire on full automatic. And we still have a Second Amendment.
No, I did not say that. I said one has not been used in a mass shooting. If you have clean record, a few thousand dollars, get a $200 tax stamp and pass and extensive background check according to the Fed Gov you can own one that was manufactured before 1986. Barring any state or local laws.You said it yourself. It is effectively impossible for the public to get their hands on a rifle that will fire on full automatic. And we still have a Second Amendment.
This is what an AR 15 style weapon looks like under current, previous and proposed bans:
This is effectively what these bans do:
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23 Feb 2023 6:49 am
IkeBana » 23 Feb 2023, 6:57 am » wrote: ↑ Agreed...with the exception of the very last comment.
The problem is that there is no good reason reason why anybody, any civilian in any allegedly civilized society, needs access to firearms that when set on full automatic can clear a 30 round clip in under two seconds, or when set on semi-auto can clear that clip in under 12 seconds. So let's not get bogged down on the tangential "fully automatic" argument. Particularly when its still so easy to get one's hands on a bump stock.
That a small section of an often flawed founding document of the nation says so, or that the highest court in the land says so...well, these are not good enough **** reasons for public access to a firearm that can clear a 30 round clip in 12 seconds.
We are an imperfect, massively flawed, and in this case, insane species...this is just **** insane.
Here is the borderline--
Civilian black-rifle = Semi-automatic.
Military black-rifle = Full-automatic.
Magazines--
If the black criminals of Cook County have 15rd. mags, don't we really want
the White, law-abiding citizens to have 15rd. mag, also ?
The Dems are Anti-Free gun ownership.
The GOP are Pro-Free gun ownership.
Americans loves Freedom & firearms. Always have.
Let's all vote GOP, shall we ?
23 Feb 2023 6:56 am
no. 30 round mags.Taipan » 23 Feb 2023, 7:49 am » wrote: ↑ Here is the borderline--
Civilian black-rifle = Semi-automatic.
Military black-rifle = Full-automatic.
Magazines--
If the black criminals of Cook County have 15rd. mags, don't we really want
the White, law-abiding citizens to have 15rd. mag, also ?
The Dems are Anti-Free gun ownership.
The GOP are Pro-Free gun ownership.
Americans loves Freedom & firearms. Always have.
Let's all vote GOP, shall we ?
23 Feb 2023 7:11 am
Believe what you will. I gave you a link.ConsRule » 23 Feb 2023, 7:27 am » wrote: ↑ You still haven't met the challenge of demonstrating how, specifically, they have reduced gun violence.
We're waiting...
23 Feb 2023 7:13 am
shilly will never answer any questions or prove his statements. he is a typical liberal shill that uses circular arguments.
23 Feb 2023 7:30 am
Understand what people won't believe about their own biological link to evolving as eternally separated now.
23 Feb 2023 8:11 am
Stop raising self entitled brats with an over inflated sense of "self above all" would be a good start.maineman » 22 Feb 2023, 10:50 pm » wrote: ↑ What specific steps would you suggest to instill morality and respect back into the fabric of society?
Kids need to understand at an early age that you lose a hell of a lot more than you win, instead of the opposite. Let the kids scrape their knees instead of throwing a pillow under their asses all the time. Life isn't "fair", and they need to know this right out of the gate.
What we are seeing today in society is a direct reflection of how we, as a society, have been raising our kids for the last couple of decades. We are effectively raising a generation of narcissists, and it shows.
This problem has been YEARS in the making, and can't be corrected overnight, if it can be corrected at all. Even if it can't be righted, saying "**** it" isn't a solution
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23 Feb 2023 8:29 am
RedheadedStranger » 23 Feb 2023, 9:11 am » wrote: ↑ Stop raising self entitled brats with an over inflated sense of "self above all" would be a good start.
Kids need to understand at an early age that you lose a hell of a lot more than you win, instead of the opposite. Let the kids scrape their knees instead of throwing a pillow under their asses all the time. Life isn't "fair", and they need to know this right out of the gate.
What we are seeing today in society is a direct reflection of how we, as a society, have been raising our kids for the last couple of decades. We are effectively raising a generation of narcissists, and it shows.
This problem has been YEARS in the making, and can't be corrected overnight, if it can be corrected at all. Even if it can't be righted, saying "**** it" isn't a solution
23 Feb 2023 8:31 am
Another stellar reply there veggie man.
Please tell me what this has to do at all with what I just posted?
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23 Feb 2023 8:36 am
RedheadedStranger » 23 Feb 2023, 9:31 am » wrote: ↑ Another stellar reply there veggie man.
Please tell me what this has to do at all with what I just posted?
.
Stop raising self entitled brats with an over inflated sense of "self above all" would be a good start.
Are those your words?
23 Feb 2023 8:38 am
No, it's the other poster with the screen name "Redheaded Stranger".
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23 Feb 2023 8:39 am
Will illustrating the chasm twixt your talk and walk require a crayon?RedheadedStranger » 23 Feb 2023, 9:38 am » wrote: ↑ No, it's the other poster with the screen name "Redheaded Stranger".
23 Feb 2023 8:39 am
you could have posted one of those selfies from Hunter's laptop.
23 Feb 2023 8:43 am
If you have a point, just make it.Blackvegetable » 23 Feb 2023, 9:39 am » wrote: ↑ Will illustrating the chasm twixt your talk and walk require a crayon?
It's a pretty simple concept.
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