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RedheadedStranger » 23 Feb 2023, 9:43 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 9:43 am

If you have a point, just make it.

It's a pretty simple concept.

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I don't think it gets more indulgent than

"Sure, Donny....I believe you.....You're the REAL victim here."
 

maineman » 22 Feb 2023, 9:32 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Feb 2023, 9:32 pm

well UBC's and Red Flag laws are a small step.... but I don't really remember our country being this violent, this shattered, before.  I lived through the entire Selma/fredom riders/civil rights struggle.... I lived through the entire Vietnam war and the giant rips it caused in our country's soul.... but it never was this BLOODY before... and it just seems that, for supporters of the 2nd Amendment, there is no room for compromise... it's like they don't CARE how bloody America gets as long as they get to bear whatever arms they want to, even if their freedom to be armed gives an exploding number of criminals and whack jobs who seem hell bent on killing more and more Americans each and every year the arms they need to commit that carnage.  Seriously.. more mass shootings in 2023 than DAYS in 2023.  What.  The.  ****.

It started in our generation (60's) with the "Peace, Love, Dope" movement...while still small, it steadily grew...their kids became the "we're all winners" generation where everyone got participation trophies...this is where it really started to escalate...being responsible for your actions went out the window...enter social media...now they don't communicate face to face, and when they do, they can't handle it...

The gubment, in all their glory, has perpetuated the degradation. While I agree, there are people in need, they've made it so there are generations of lazy unproductive people with the answer is to throw more money at them. Our education system has failed miserably...we are producing more idiots than ever before. They leave school with zero life skills, can hardly read or write or balance a checkbook...

Technology is a double edged sword...with each generation, the drugs have become more powerful, cheaper and a cornucopia of variety enhancing the criminal element and cash flow. The internet has become the bane of society. While it's great for resourcing, the social part is a detriment. People can say whatever they want without ramifications...now step out into the real world, they say the same ****, someone's feelings get bent, and their first move is to kill..whatever happened to a good old knockdown, drag out schoolyard brawl to "settle our differences"? Now the answer is to destroy them publicly or kill them. These are the snowflakes.

The mental state of kids these days are definitely in peril. The latest report shows how bad it really is... Half of them are depressed with a quarter thinking about suicide... what. the. ****.

 

Blackvegetable » 23 Feb 2023, 9:45 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 9:45 am

I don't think it gets more indulgent than

"Sure, Donny....I believe you.....You're the REAL victim here."

And that has what exactly to do with what I posted to maineman?

Quit dancing and answer the question...


 
 

RedheadedStranger » 23 Feb 2023, 9:11 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 9:11 am

Stop raising self entitled brats with an over inflated sense of "self above all" would be a good start.

Kids need to understand at an early age that you lose a hell of a lot more than you win, instead of the opposite. Let the kids scrape their knees instead of throwing a pillow under their asses all the time. Life isn't "fair", and they need to know this right out of the gate.

What we are seeing today in society is a direct reflection of how we, as a society, have been raising our kids for the last couple of decades. We are effectively raising a generation of narcissists, and it shows.

This problem has been YEARS in the making, and can't be corrected overnight, if it can be corrected at all. Even if it can't be righted, saying "**** it" isn't a solution
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I am not sure I agree with your basic premise.  I know that I certainly had to get my knees scraped and my eyes blackened as a child,  Anything less than maximum effort was not tolerated.  My father was not afraid to have corporal punishment as one of his go-to parenting tools.  If I said I didn't LIKE broccoli, by dad would simply say, "You don't have to like it, just eat it".  I was taught to be polite to all adults and to be respectful of all females, even if they kicked me in the shins.  I was taught that B's were not acceptable.  I used to get dropped off at the Y by my mom in the afternoon for swim practice and would walk from the Y to my dad's law office and wait for him to drive me home.  There used to be a guy that had a little fold up suitcase opened on a little table on the sidewalk outside that office building and he was selling neckties.   When we'd come outside, after we walked by the guy to a point where we were out of earshot, my dad would say, "If you don't finish in the top ten in your class and get into a good college, you're gonna end up selling ties on the street corner".   I was "allowed" to fail, but failure was never an acceptable outcome.  But above all, it was constantly drilled into my head that my parents could forgive many things, but lying was not one of them.  Telling the truth was THE rule above all others.  

Minus the corporal punishment and minus the mealtime trauma, I have raised my three children pretty much the same way,  All three are successful.  All three are good citizens, good spouses, good friends, and good employees.  They all obey the law and they all have great relationships with their parents.  I fully expect them all to be great parents as they move into that phase of their lives. 

So I, personally, haven't seen a lot of overly entitled kids in MY life, but all of my kids are grown adults and if any of their childhood friends DID have a sense of entitlement and narcissism back then, either I didn't see it, or I have long since let it slip my mind.  

The overriding question is, however.... If you ARE right, and if society has raised  self-entitled, weak willed, narcissists for decades, how in the world can we ever fix it?

If we really are as bad as you say, then I wasn't far from wrong yesterday when I posted, "Après nous, le déluge", was I?
 

maineman » 23 Feb 2023, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 9:50 am

I am not sure I agree with your basic premise.  I know that I certainly had to get my knees scraped and my eyes blackened as a child,  Anything less than maximum effort was not tolerated.  My father was not afraid to have corporal punishment as one of his go-to parenting tools.  If I said I didn't LIKE broccoli, by dad would simply say, "You don't have to like it, just eat it".  I was taught to be polite to all adults and to be respectful of all females, even if they kicked me in the shins.  I was taught that B's were not acceptable.  I used to get dropped off at the Y by my mom in the afternoon for swim practice and would walk from the Y to my dad's law office and wait for him to drive me home.  There used to be a guy that had a little fold up suitcase opened on a little table on the sidewalk outside that office building and he was selling neckties.   When we'd come outside, after we walked by the guy to a point where we were out of earshot, my dad would say, "If you don't finish in the top ten in your class and get into a good college, you're gonna end up selling ties on the street corner".   I was "allowed" to fail, but failure was never an acceptable outcome.  But above all, it was constantly drilled into my head that my parents could forgive many things, but lying was not one of them.  Telling the truth was THE rule above all others.  

Minus the corporal punishment and minus the mealtime trauma, I have raised my three children pretty much the same way,  All three are successful.  All three are good citizens, good spouses, good friends, and good employees.  They all obey the law and they all have great relationships with their parents.  I fully expect them all to be great parents as they move into that phase of their lives. 

So I, personally, haven't seen a lot of overly entitled kids in MY life, but all of my kids are grown adults and if any of their childhood friends DID have a sense of entitlement and narcissism back then, either I didn't see it, or I have long since let it slip my mind.  

The overriding question is, however.... If you ARE right, and if society has raised  self-entitled, weak willed, narcissists for decades, how in the world can we ever fix it?

If we really are as bad as you say, then I wasn't far from wrong yesterday when I posted, "Après nous, le déluge", was I?
 

so. You explain how you were raised to behave as a child, but as an adult, when did you learn about actual life evolving in plain sight?

maineman » 22 Feb 2023, 8:08 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Feb 2023, 8:08 pm

would you be OK with that today?

It didn't bother me then and it wouldn't bother me now...it's got to do with intent and why did they bring it...
 

RedheadedStranger » 23 Feb 2023, 9:48 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 9:48 am

And that has what exactly to do with what I posted to maineman?


Quit dancing and answer the question...


 

Stop raising self entitled brats with an over inflated sense of "self above all" would be a good start.

What are you, **** stupid?
The Kitty Mangler won't accept that he lost.....and you are eagerly enabling his tantrum.

an over inflated sense of "self above all"

Do you really believe Grifty knows more than the Generals?

 

Blackvegetable » 23 Feb 2023, 9:55 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 9:55 am

What are you, **** stupid?
The Kitty Mangler won't accept that he lost.....and you are eagerly enabling his tantrum.

Do you really believe Grifty knows more than the Generals?

Poor BV still sucking on trump dick

maineman » 22 Feb 2023, 8:07 pm » wrote: ↑

22 Feb 2023, 8:07 pm

It does... very infrequently, Navy ships will come upon vessels at sea that have signaled us , are DIW,  or obviously in distress - maybe floundering, and we send a boarding party via Motor Whale Boat to see what assistance is needed and what, if anything we can do to provide it.  The OIC carries a side arm and there are at least two gunner's mates with weapons, along with hospital corpsmen.  I've done that gig three or four times over the years

well, better to be prepared...it wouldn't be a good look if you were taken captive... :lol:  ​​​​​​​

Blackvegetable » 23 Feb 2023, 9:55 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 9:55 am

What are you, **** stupid?
The Kitty Mangler won't accept that he lost.....and you are eagerly enabling his tantrum.

Do you really believe Grifty knows more than the Generals?

The discussion that you stumbled into with your nonsense has absolutely NOTHING to do with Trump you dolt.

I know that the man occupies your every waking thought, but that's not the case for everybody else.

Go **** up someone else's discussion already would ya?

Just... damn...   


 

ROG62 » 23 Feb 2023, 9:47 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 9:47 am

It started in our generation (60's) with the "Peace, Love, Dope" movement...while still small, it steadily grew...their kids became the "we're all winners" generation where everyone got participation trophies...this is where it really started to escalate...being responsible for your actions went out the window...enter social media...now they don't communicate face to face, and when they do, they can't handle it...

The gubment, in all their glory, has perpetuated the degradation. While I agree, there are people in need, they've made it so there are generations of lazy unproductive people with the answer is to throw more money at them. Our education system has failed miserably...we are producing more idiots than ever before. They leave school with zero life skills, can hardly read or write or balance a checkbook...

Technology is a double edged sword...with each generation, the drugs have become more powerful, cheaper and a cornucopia of variety enhancing the criminal element and cash flow. The internet has become the bane of society. While it's great for resourcing, the social part is a detriment. People can say whatever they want without ramifications...now step out into the real world, they say the same ****, someone's feelings get bent, and their first move is to kill..whatever happened to a good old knockdown, drag out schoolyard brawl to "settle our differences"? Now the answer is to destroy them publicly or kill them. These are the snowflakes.

The mental state of kids these days are definitely in peril. The latest report shows how bad it really is... Half of them are depressed with a quarter thinking about suicide... what. the. ****.

You cast 2 enthusiastic votes for a guy who has lived his entire life in a bubble...who assumes absolutely no responsibility for anything at any time.

He was mentored by a celebrated Mama's Boy and Sodomite.

 

RedheadedStranger » 23 Feb 2023, 9:59 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 9:59 am

The discussion that you stumbled into with your nonsense has absolutely NOTHING to do with Trump you dolt.

I know that the man occupies your every waking thought, but that's not the case for everybody else.

Go **** up someone else's discussion already would ya?

Just... damn... 

There's the Talk and the Walk.

It's like when you bitch and moan about spending, deficits and debt...

You people are **** idiots.

BV losing again

IkeBana » 23 Feb 2023, 6:57 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 6:57 am

Agreed...with the exception of the very last comment.

The problem is that there is no good reason reason why anybody, any civilian in any allegedly civilized society, needs access to firearms that when set on full automatic can clear a 30 round clip in under two seconds,  or when set on semi-auto can clear that clip in under 12 seconds.  So let's not get bogged down on the tangential "fully automatic" argument.  Particularly when its still so easy to get one's hands on a bump stock.

That a small section of an often flawed founding document of the nation says so, or that the highest court in the land says so...well, these are not good enough **** reasons for public access to a firearm that can clear a 30 round clip in 12 seconds.

We are an imperfect, massively flawed, and in this case, insane species...this is just **** insane.

agreed...I'm not sure what the infatuation is...don't own one...hell, there are 100 round coils available for my 9mm Glock...

I figure if I can't deter or put down whatever threat there is with 17 rounds, I shouldn't be defending anything...

FJB » 23 Feb 2023, 10:02 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 10:02 am

BV still losing...

FIFY...  

Blackvegetable » 23 Feb 2023, 10:01 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 10:01 am

There's the Talk and the Walk.

It's like when you bitch and moan about spending, deficits and debt...

You people are **** idiots.

marching to the vernacular tribalism doesn't grant freedom from your sole time displaced here now. Now your soul character believes you are more than flesh and bone, but time doesn't let go to the specificity of what you were since conceived.

Blackvegetable » 23 Feb 2023, 9:59 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 9:59 am

You cast 2 enthusiastic votes for a guy who has lived his entire life in a bubble...who assumes absolutely no responsibility for anything at any time.

He was mentored by a celebrated Mama's Boy and Sodomite.

and "robinette" joe is different how? 

btw snowflake, Trump has nothing to do with my post....pound away ****....
 

ROG62 » 23 Feb 2023, 10:20 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 10:20 am

and "robinette" joe is different how? 

btw snowflake, Trump has nothing to do with my post....pound away ****....

Because Joe hasn't spent his life in a bubble.

Trump has nothing to do with my post....

It doesn't matter if you understand,  Rog.

Blackvegetable » 23 Feb 2023, 10:22 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 10:22 am

Because Joe hasn't spent his life in a bubble.


It doesn't matter if you understand,  Rog.

Look at you brag how deniers rule every reality of the humanities.

maineman » 23 Feb 2023, 9:50 am » wrote: ↑

23 Feb 2023, 9:50 am

I am not sure I agree with your basic premise.  I know that I certainly had to get my knees scraped and my eyes blackened as a child,  Anything less than maximum effort was not tolerated.  My father was not afraid to have corporal punishment as one of his go-to parenting tools.  If I said I didn't LIKE broccoli, by dad would simply say, "You don't have to like it, just eat it".  I was taught to be polite to all adults and to be respectful of all females, even if they kicked me in the shins.  I was taught that B's were not acceptable.  I used to get dropped off at the Y by my mom in the afternoon for swim practice and would walk from the Y to my dad's law office and wait for him to drive me home.  There used to be a guy that had a little fold up suitcase opened on a little table on the sidewalk outside that office building and he was selling neckties.   When we'd come outside, after we walked by the guy to a point where we were out of earshot, my dad would say, "If you don't finish in the top ten in your class and get into a good college, you're gonna end up selling ties on the street corner".   I was "allowed" to fail, but failure was never an acceptable outcome.  But above all, it was constantly drilled into my head that my parents could forgive many things, but lying was not one of them.  Telling the truth was THE rule above all others.  

Minus the corporal punishment and minus the mealtime trauma, I have raised my three children pretty much the same way,  All three are successful.  All three are good citizens, good spouses, good friends, and good employees.  They all obey the law and they all have great relationships with their parents.  I fully expect them all to be great parents as they move into that phase of their lives. 

So I, personally, haven't seen a lot of overly entitled kids in MY life, but all of my kids are grown adults and if any of their childhood friends DID have a sense of entitlement and narcissism back then, either I didn't see it, or I have long since let it slip my mind.  

The overriding question is, however.... If you ARE right, and if society has raised  self-entitled, weak willed, narcissists for decades, how in the world can we ever fix it?

If we really are as bad as you say, then I wasn't far from wrong yesterday when I posted, "Après nous, le déluge", was I?

You and I were raised the same way... and fortunately had the wherewithal to pass that on to our kids, and hopefully the trend continues with their kids.

A good bit of that has been lost between our generation and the next unfortunately, and the snowball is rolling into the current generation. 

Too many parents these days are trying to be a  friend" to their young children instead of a parent... that, or they are simply absent and letting the Xbox or the smartphone (or even worse the education system) raise their kids for them. 

Every parent wants their kids to have better than they did, that's only natural... but when the parents had it pretty easy to begin with, what is "better" than that?  If mom and dad are constantly throwing pillows under their kids asses all the way into adulthood, then as adults, the kids have no concept of how to handle adversity in adulthood. Couple this with a society that preaches "life must be fair for all" and you end up with a generation of young adults that have a very skewed and false sense of reality, and when they fail, they can't handle it.

​​​​​​Then, they just give up.