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is it illegal to advocate secession?
is it illegal to advocate secession?
By slideman
21 Feb 2023 7:14 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
21 Feb 2023 7:14 pm
I guess the question is whether advocating secession is advocating the overthrow of the US government.
21 Feb 2023 7:15 pm
We have this law which makes it seem like it could be so huh
2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
21 Feb 2023 7:26 pm
A legitimate Constitutional argument could be made that the right to secede is left to the states...and that could make that law unconstitutional when it applies to secession.
21 Feb 2023 7:31 pm
That person is a spout of hate and ignorance. She learned nothing from Brexit.slideman » 21 Feb 2023, 8:14 pm » wrote: ↑ I guess the question is whether advocating secession is advocating the overthrow of the US government.
21 Feb 2023 7:38 pm
ScottMon » 21 Feb 2023, 8:31 pm » wrote: ↑ That person is a spout of hate and ignorance. She learned nothing from Brexit.
What's wrong with Brexit?
21 Feb 2023 7:50 pm
No one expected it to be easy in the beginning. These things take time. At least the Brits are no longer under the thumb of European rulers. I applaud them for it.
21 Feb 2023 7:55 pm
It's caused a lot of human misery. They've unplugged the economy of several countries and causing a mad scramble.Rock » 21 Feb 2023, 8:50 pm » wrote: ↑ No one expected it to be easy in the beginning. These things take time. At least the Brits are no longer under the thumb of European rulers. I applaud them for it.
21 Feb 2023 8:00 pm
ScottMon » 21 Feb 2023, 8:55 pm » wrote: ↑ It's caused a lot of human misery. They've unplugged the economy of several countries and causing a mad scramble.
Life's a bitch and then you die.
21 Feb 2023 8:03 pm
My point is that MTG is spouting more **** without any real thought to what would happen if she got her way.
21 Feb 2023 8:06 pm
Over 150 years ago the US Supreme Court, in Texas v. White, proclaimed you're full of **** and a total idiot, as well as a degenerate liar, too.ConsRule » 21 Feb 2023, 8:26 pm » wrote: ↑ A legitimate Constitutional argument could be made that the right to secede is left to the states...and that could make that law unconstitutional when it applies to secession.
21 Feb 2023 8:11 pm
She isn't the only person calling for secession. Personally I believe that if the USA was divided in half with one half being conservatives and the other half liberals the conservative side would flourish while the liberal side would collapse into war between the freeloaders and the wealthy.ScottMon » 21 Feb 2023, 9:03 pm » wrote: ↑ My point is that MTG is spouting more **** without any real thought to what would happen if she got her way.
https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-wor ... -counties/
Campaign to join Idaho gains support of two more Oregon counties
21 Feb 2023 8:20 pm
When in the course of human events, it becomes necessary for one group to dissolve the political bonds that have tied them to another...
The language of secession is in the first and final draft of the declaration of independence.
Of course a national divorce is in order. Lincoln was a tyrant, John Wilkes Boothe an unsung hero
The language of secession is in the first and final draft of the declaration of independence.
Of course a national divorce is in order. Lincoln was a tyrant, John Wilkes Boothe an unsung hero
21 Feb 2023 8:21 pm
Trumprules » 21 Feb 2023, 9:13 pm » wrote: ↑ Nah the biggest economies are in liberal states. Most of the money made in America is made in blue states.
And the biggest crime and homelessness is in liberal states or at least liberal cities.
21 Feb 2023 8:24 pm
So... we're the "autonomous zones" that sprung up in the Summer of 2020 considered illegal?slideman » 21 Feb 2023, 8:15 pm » wrote: ↑ We have this law which makes it seem like it could be so huh
2385. Advocating overthrow of Government
Whoever knowingly or willfully advocates, abets, advises, or teaches the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying the government of the United States or the government of any State, Territory, District or Possession thereof, or the government of any political subdivision therein, by force or violence, or by the assassination of any officer of any such government; or
Whoever, with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of any such government, prints, publishes, edits, issues, circulates, sells, distributes, or publicly displays any written or printed matter advocating, advising, or teaching the duty, necessity, desirability, or propriety of overthrowing or destroying any government in the United States by force or violence, or attempts to do so; or
Whoever organizes or helps or attempts to organize any society, group, or assembly of persons who teach, advocate, or encourage the overthrow or destruction of any such government by force or violence; or becomes or is a member of, or affiliates with, any such society, group, or assembly of persons, knowing the purposes thereof—
Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
If two or more persons conspire to commit any offense named in this section, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than twenty years, or both, and shall be ineligible for employment by the United States or any department or agency thereof, for the five years next following his conviction.
Your argument would say yes.
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people
21 Feb 2023 9:02 pm
Brexit resulted in the devaluation of the British pound and poverty for millions of people.The EU was extremely beneficial for most of the people, but it was not clear to the voters that their prosperity was the result of EU membership.The Russians helped finance the vote for Brexit.
21 Feb 2023 9:08 pm
Xavier_Onassis » 21 Feb 2023, 10:02 pm » wrote: ↑ Brexit resulted in the devaluation of the British pound and poverty for millions of people.The EU was extremely beneficial for most of the people, but it was not clear to the voters that their prosperity was the result of EU membership.The Russians helped finance the vote for Brexit.
Can you give us some examples of how the devaluation of the British pound caused "poverty for millions of people?"
22 Feb 2023 7:13 am
slideman » 21 Feb 2023, 8:14 pm » wrote: ↑ I guess the question is whether advocating secession is advocating the overthrow of the US government.
South Carolina = 1st. state to secede in 1860.
Nikki Haley was Gov. of S.C.
Here is what she said as Gov. "Secession is a legal position to take".
Most people do not wish to secede.
But as things get worse because of the multitude of Dems.......
secession will grow to be more attractive.
Let's keep that option on the table for our children.
TNM.
22 Feb 2023 7:22 am
slideman » 21 Feb 2023, 8:14 pm » wrote: ↑ I guess the question is whether advocating secession is advocating the overthrow of the US government.
your opinion
There are counties in Blue States right now that are talking about splitting from state capitals.
22 Feb 2023 7:22 am
No.slideman » 21 Feb 2023, 8:14 pm » wrote: ↑ I guess the question is whether advocating secession is advocating the overthrow of the US government.
Leaving Britain was not overthrowing Britain.
It's still there.
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Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
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"Because I SAY I am" is a todler's tantrum, not "science"
You cannot betray me - only yourself, to me.
Who cuts off your dick is not a friend
An opinion you won't defend is not your own
Humanity's Law of the Jungle: Survival NOT of the fittest, but of the tribe
When peeing in the pool, stand on the edge
If gender is not sex, why should a gender claim change what sex you shower with?
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