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Very few Marxists understand marxism...
Very few Marxists understand marxism...
By FOS
23 Feb 2023 3:47 pm in No Holds Barred Political Forum
24 Feb 2023 9:43 am
well that is radical fascism
24 Feb 2023 11:23 am
Texas has no foreign policy.Taipan » 24 Feb 2023, 9:52 am » wrote: ↑ Texas is seeking peace in the Ukraine War.
What is your solution ?
Everyone prefers peace to war.
24 Feb 2023 1:04 pm
...here's a 'solution' for you nazi retards [and monetary ignoramuses]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry9Imm47Xus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry9Imm47Xus
24 Feb 2023 1:07 pm
...there will be no peace [for the living] as long as authoritardian @ssholes [and monetary ignoramuses] are so prevalent...Xavier_Onassis » 24 Feb 2023, 12:23 pm » wrote: ↑ Texas has no foreign policy.
Everyone prefers peace to war.
24 Feb 2023 1:09 pm
Stick this Communist Dildo up your ***, boy...peepee » 24 Feb 2023, 2:04 pm » wrote: ↑ ...here's a 'solution' for you nazi retards [and monetary ignoramuses]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ry9Imm47Xus
24 Feb 2023 1:14 pm
...more ism
jism from another stooooooopid f@ck republicrat who twitters 
about $hit-puppet$/puppetry [in monetary ignorance] all fkn day long!... so profound...such important insight...
24 Feb 2023 5:13 pm
...you rival 0mh in blatheringFOS » 23 Feb 2023, 4:47 pm » wrote: ↑ This is a thing I have noticed when arguing recently with people who fancied themselves Marxists and scholars of marxist theory. Although I usually try to educate people on what fascism is all about...because I am more well read of fascism...I have read enough marx to get the gist of it...and the more Marxists talk the less I believe they have read any of it.
First of all...the 'mainstream definition' (which would be sonething like 'communism is when the means are production are owned by the workers rather than private entities') is quite lame. In fact...this sounds like a definition that someone biased to be pro capitalist would make up. By itself it is rather incoherent and meaningless and also a bit absurd. Obviously you cannot magically transform a massive number of poorly educated laborers into the elite class. That simply cannot be done and the attempt would fail. And it also makes communist countries appear quite hypocritical since obviously in practice it is not the workers who have any power but rather the members of the Communist party. And anyway what is the actual difference between entities labeled as 'worker'..'private'...and state'? Workers themselves are if anything more 'private' than the state is.. and the various examples a Capitalist can give of workers 'bootstrapping' and becoming themselves members of the monied elite after a few decades of earnest work should indicate that workers have more opportunity in a Capitalist system than they would in a system where there is state control over the economy.
obtuseness [and monetary ignorance]
24 Feb 2023 6:49 pm
Ohm types actual gibberish. I believe your issue is your reading comprehension.peepee » 24 Feb 2023, 6:13 pm » wrote: ↑ ...you rival 0mh in blathering
24 Feb 2023 6:50 pm
Xavier_Onassis » 23 Feb 2023, 4:52 pm » wrote: ↑ Everyone can do a better job of defining Marxism that you can, Nazi.
you can define aids from your 1st hand experience
24 Feb 2023 6:55 pm
I agree. Unfortunately Machiavelli had a better grasp of human nature.Trumprules » 24 Feb 2023, 6:06 pm » wrote: ↑ Marx was just another retarded guy with a theory that never worked.
Somehow the state never seems to fade away.
Instead it tends to become totalitarian.
Just as fascist states do.
Free people live in democracies .
24 Feb 2023 6:57 pm
peepee » 24 Feb 2023, 6:13 pm » wrote: ↑ ...you rival 0mh in blathering
you are ignorant that is why you got aids word
12 Dec 2023 11:20 pm
Your definition is similar to mine.FOS » 23 Feb 2023, 4:57 pm » wrote: ↑ But ultimately what marx was trying to do was produce a society where money was no longer relevant to the dominance heriarchy or to status.
Fair enough. This does not actually require that everyone is 'equal' or everyone is the same. Many self identified Marxists will pretend this is the case themselves but I just don't think they are educated about what they identify as.
The Left-Communist (“ultra Left”) notion was the abolition of all commodity exchange. People would no longer produce goods and services to be traded on markets - THAT was “communism.”
The “workers owning the means of production” is just a vulgar version of Marxism uttered by Redditors and other naive Leftists on the Internet.
Of course Left-coms would be constantly mocked and ridiculed by Trotskyists, Maoists, and other “pragmatic” factions of Marxism.
13 Dec 2023 1:52 am
Wrong Communism is when the means of production are controlled by the state.FOS » 23 Feb 2023, 4:47 pm » wrote: ↑ This is a thing I have noticed when arguing recently with people who fancied themselves Marxists and scholars of marxist theory. Although I usually try to educate people on what fascism is all about...because I am more well read of fascism...I have read enough marx to get the gist of it...and the more Marxists talk the less I believe they have read any of it.
First of all...the 'mainstream definition' (which would be sonething like 'communism is when the means are production are owned by the workers rather than private entities') is quite lame. In fact...this sounds like a definition that someone biased to be pro capitalist would make up. By itself it is rather incoherent and meaningless and also a bit absurd. Obviously you cannot magically transform a massive number of poorly educated laborers into the elite class. That simply cannot be done and the attempt would fail. And it also makes communist countries appear quite hypocritical since obviously in practice it is not the workers who have any power but rather the members of the Communist party. And anyway what is the actual difference between entities labeled as 'worker'..'private'...and state'? Workers themselves are if anything more 'private' than the state is.. and the various examples a Capitalist can give of workers 'bootstrapping' and becoming themselves members of the monied elite after a few decades of earnest work should indicate that workers have more opportunity in a Capitalist system than they would in a system where there is state control over the economy.
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